Warhammer Fantasy: Thirteen Tolls - An Apocalypse Quest

The clock is ticking.

We might be able to save something, but the Doom is in motion and when the avalanche starts falling it's too late for the pebbles to vote.

[X] Agree.
 
Kakram's voice echoes in your head.

The Skavorites are complicit.
Kakram can you stop being creepy. It's hard enough to trust you as is.
When you mention the plug, Kakram leaps up from his seat. He makes some signals with his hands and rushes out.
Bloody hell Kakram! Five minutes of you not being weird is all I ask.
"We already knew the odds were bad. That just underlines our need for subtlety. Besides-" and Ambrose puts an arm around you and you don't blush "We've got some diviners of our very own right here."
Well, we know which way Xenophon is swinging at least. Though I admit I'm still suspicious of Ambrose.
A great, gibbering soul – far brighter than the Princeps. A thousand-million scream within it, stitched together by foul artifice, forever being ripped and torn and stitched anew. It roars in pain – and you feel within that this is an abomination, a crime against life – a crime against death. It twitches spasmodically, and you notice it is bound with thirteen chains of magic and warpstone, each linked to some infernal device, half altar, half-guillotine. They are empty. Below it, a bright spark – the Princeps – and he is giddy, laughing as the horror seizes and sobs.
What catches my eye is this part, "each linked to some infernal device, half altar, half-guillotine." My guess is this is either the feeding mechanism for the Great Horned Rat or, after building his own God, the Princeps intends to sacrifice it and consume it, ascending himself to divinity in the process. Both are potential options for sabotage at any rate, either through poisoning the nascent deity or preventing the Princeps from sacrificing it.

We got a good amount of information though. More names to investigate. Guess I should get around to making a list of people to investigate and why, see if that'll help prioritise things.

Anyway, I'm going to vote agree. We unfortunately have too much to do and not enough actions to do it all. I don't fully trust the League, from a narrative standpoint this is a perfect setup for at least one to betray us, and in story Xenophon hasn't really seen much from them beyond Junius' magnum opus. I'm also not entirely sure that Ambrose isn't aware of Xenophon's reactions and is not manipulating him through them. That said, we also don't have a wide pool of help to draw from.

[X] Agree.
 
What catches my eye is this part, "each linked to some infernal device, half altar, half-guillotine." My guess is this is either the feeding mechanism for the Great Horned Rat or, after building his own God, the Princeps intends to sacrifice it and consume it, ascending himself to divinity in the process. Both are potential options for sabotage at any rate, either through poisoning the nascent deity or preventing the Princeps from sacrificing it.
Could very well also be that he's intending to use 13 (or 12, with him as the 13th) other people as sacrifices in the ritual that he intends to use to catalyze his nascent rat-god into full divine status (while also hijacking its metaphysical architecture in some way that lets him effectively pull a Makuta Teridax gambit and become the god's controlling intelligence). Given that the Skaven in mainline WHFB have a notable number of Verminlord daemons arranged into a Shadow Council that mirrors the actual Council of 13 - or at least that idea's been popular enough that I consider it a decently worthwhile basis to speculate upon - I think it might be a good idea to try to draw up a list of who in the city might be a notable enough figure to be included in this scheme. We can further draw upon a bit of metaknowledge and say that the head of the Moulder brotherhood is likely one of them, as is almost certainly Fafnir Forgefather (if not Skavor himself), and at least three others that could feasibly function as analogues for the founders of the four biggest skaven clans - those being Skryre, Moulder, Pestilens, and Eshin.

Yes, Eshin technically doesn't come fully into existence until they go off on their journey to the east and then return having learned Ninja Rat-Fu, but one of the weapons we were offered was literally an Assassins Creed punch-dagger coated in Ulgu, that's an Eshin weapon if I've ever seen one.

Unfortunately my brain is not cooperating with me enough right now to go through the thread and trawl up enough information to assemble a notable list of who might be accessories to the Princep's scheme of self-made apotheosis, but I'm sure someone's up to it. It'd look something like this:
1. Princeps
2. Moulder head guy (haven't met him)
3. Fafnir/Skavor/something Skavorite-related
4. Skryre-equivalent, I'd suggest looking into the engineers or perhaps the wizards
5. Eshin-equivalent, dunno where this might be. Queen of the ratcatchers was called out as being uncommonly agile and at home in the sewers, so might be our woman
6. Pestilens-equivalent - that Shallayan guy gives me the heebie jeebies
7. Mors (or equivalent upstart clan) analogue: No idea but my gut says someone associated with the Law gods might be it
8. ???
9. ???
10. ???
11. ???
12. ???
13. ???

No idea who the other seats might be for, but given the overall structure of this quest as a demonstration that the whole city of Tylos-Kazvar is rotten to the core, I'm gonna guess that people high up in most if not all the important institutions of the city are gonna be more and more likely to be involved in this - senators and politicians, wizard lords, generals, anyone with a lot of influence.

Hopefully this makes any kind of sense? It's not meant to be at all exhaustive or thorough.
 
Guys the answer to stoping the doom of the city via Skaven is clear.

The Skaven can't destroy the city via their creation if we destroy it first!
 
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Unfortunately my brain is not cooperating with me enough right now to go through the thread and trawl up enough information to assemble a notable list of who might be accessories to the Princep's scheme of self-made apotheosis, but I'm sure someone's up to it. It'd look something like this:
The Nehekharan who's working with the Princeps could also be an option. S-nefer-Ka, though it'll depend on if they are actually in on what the Princeps is up to or if they're just on his payroll.
 
Guys the answer to stoping the doom of the city via Skaven is clear.

The Skaven can destroy the city via their creation if we destroy it first!
I mean, given the fairly big thematic parallels this has to Critical Role: Calamity, where a similar quandary wrt 'preserve the city' versus 'preserve its people' was raised (and answered in dramatic fashion), I think it's a perfectly reasonable read to have our aim be to cut out as much of the rot as we can, as it were, and save Tylos-Kazvar's people so their cultural legacy can go on to positively influence the Old World even if/when the empire ends up collapsing.

>name sounds suspiciously like 'sniffer'
Oh, 100% they're in on it, skaven are tied only with lizardmen for being the faction with the most cheeky references and puns in their naming schemes.
 
4. Skryre-equivalent, I'd suggest looking into the engineers
See Thunderdome, its factories, its glorious Maelstrom! A tower of woven steel, topped with a great glass globe, through which the mages of the Lodge of the Harvest Moon hoard their captured clouds, making every day in Tylos as beautiful as that came before, the thunder of the heavens turned to man's aims, weather but a matter of will. Behold the Great Exhibition of All Industries, where every convenience – the daguerreotype, the tempest prognosticator, the illusionary telegraph – all the wonders that the wielders of Azyr and Chamon might make manifest with the honest toil of labour, free and unfree.

I think there would be sth related to this
 
[X] Agree.

We did agree to an investigation for the Princeps - this could be an opportunity to mislead him somehow.
 
A guy was mentioned as having been building warlstone weapons

Indeed , and we have a name for the possible soul that becomes the hypothetical Clan Skyre verminlord on the Council of 13. Hieronimus Ovidus.

WARPSTONE BANNED - After the catastrophe at the Battle of Nova Gramona where a Wyrdstone weapon "Morr's Breath" was turned against our brave soldiers through the perfidy of an enemy weather-witch, General Vocula has announced a total ban on the usage of the substance. Rumors that the weapons inventor, Hieronimus Ovidius (Senate candidate for Thunderdome), might be charged with manslaughter have so far been unsubstantiated …

The legions deploying Warpstone weapons once again highlights the sense that the Underempire is the twisted heir to the Empire of Tylos-Kazvar.

You could swap the names General Vocula with a Clan Mors warlord, and Hieronimus with a Clan Skyre Warlock Engineer , and this article won't be too out of place in a hypothetical Skavenblight's rumor mill a few thousand years later.
 
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My warhammer lore isn't graduate level but I got a quiet minute at work so I thought I'd drop this while I had the time.

Creating a God in Warhammer is not easy. From Ynnead to Slaanesh, from Sigmar to arguably Archeon, the making of a god is an undertaking of Epic proportions.

I'm saying this now so we don't get our hopes up. We cannot stop this formation no matter what we may do.

We can disrupt it, we can divert it, if you guys gals and nonbinary pals are crazy enough you might even co-opt it, but we cannot stop it.

A god is going to be born here because that's what this city has been building up towards for as long as that damn tower has been laid.

This city is Doomed, and frankly in my opinion it's been coming for a long time, but that's kinda the point.

Gods, that is to say Warhammer gods, exist separate of their own birth. To use the most often quoted example Slaanesh has "always" existed even though we know for a fact that degenerate was born in the Eldar's Fall.

This includes dimensions as well as time. The Slaanesh "born" in 40k also exsits here and now.

I'm saying this to point out the Horned Rat knows what's happening here. Knows how important this city is to his genesis. This is his starting point, his origin story, and just like Slaanesh with the fall he will guard this point.

I'm not saying that we're going to be fighting Skaven in the flesh, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't fight one of his Verminlords if we manage to actually make some kind of damage to the ritual.

So, you know, be ready for that.
 
Yeah everyone thinking about our goals needs to understand we are, to use a Torah allegory, Abraham looking to maximize the number of Lots as we can find and evacuate.
 
The way I see it is that there are a few endgames for the Princeps ritual.

Worst-case the ritual goes as planned and the Princeps absorbs the godling and becomes the GHR or he fails and the godling turns into GHR. Another worst-case would be that Chaos succeeds in whatever their gambit is and Myrmidia's Spring is corrupted by them.

Grey area the ritual is disrupted and some other outcome happens. Tower explodes and destroys the city (no GHR/skaven), ritual isn't as effective (GHR is just some minor deity/skaven are created but GHR doesn't manifest), some other group coopts it for their own shit (e.g. dwarves taking it and destroying the diamond plug), Myrmidia's Spring is destroyed and the entire area becomes lifeless, etc.

Best case would be the Princeps backing down because he's convinced by Myrmidia that the vibes will not be good if he does the ritual or a god coopts it to strengthen themselves. Kinda doubt this would happen considering we're told straight up that one way or another Tylos is gonna go through the apocalypse. Maybe it could happen and the apocalypse is that there's only mass upheaval that destroys the current order?


Best reasonable outcome to angle for imo is messing up the ritual and causing things to go sideways so that GHR or Chaos don't get empowered.
 
Best reasonable outcome to angle for imo is messing up the ritual and causing things to go sideways so that GHR or Chaos don't get empowered.

I guess "best reasonable outcome" really depends on your point of view. If you care about big scope, great sweep of history, then maybe.

If you care about getting a few virtuous survivors out of the city right before the end, then maybe the focus could be on that.
 
I guess "best reasonable outcome" really depends on your point of view. If you care about big scope, great sweep of history, then maybe.

If you care about getting a few virtuous survivors out of the city right before the end, then maybe the focus could be on that.

I think it's fair to focus on trying to create these big sweeping changes because the starting circumstances of the character warrant it. Going through the narrative as the soldier or free man would probably have a more narrow focus in achieving their objectives and then promptly getting out of dodge. However, Xenophon is being given literal divine visions of apocalypse and is being embroiled in a conspiracy to upturn the fabric of the city.
 
Morr is absolutely not sending the sort of visions you send to try to get someone to save a few virtuous souls. HE seems to think we can do more than that. I don't expect any chance of a clean win, but I absolutely don't think we should be contenting ourselves with merely losing less.
 
but one of the weapons we were offered was literally an Assassins Creed punch-dagger coated in Ulgu, that's an Eshin weapon if I've ever seen one.
Tilean assassin weapon actually, if one that's been magically enhanced.

The legions deploying Warpstone weapons once again highlights the sense that the Underempire is the twisted heir to the Empire of Tylos-Kazvar.

You could swap the names General Vocula with a Clan Mors warlord, and Hieronimus with a Clan Skyre Warlock Engineer , and this article won't be too out of place in a hypothetical Skavenblight's rumor mill a few thousand years later.
I remember one fic I've read point out that the general paranoid and backstabbing behavior of the Skaven, were basically just the Estalia and Tilean negative stereotypes turned up to 11 and without their positive traits. That the Skaven civilization was just the twisted mirror of the Estalia-Tilean civilization.
 
[X] Agree.

- though i dont like romance in my grimdark setting. It also feels out of the blue taking a sudden interest on anyone. Anyway, if thats how the author feel about needing a romance subplot, go ahead i'm just a random reader after all
 
I don't expect any chance of a clean win, but I absolutely don't think we should be contenting ourselves with merely losing less.
Depends on what you define as a win honestly.

Stop this, no.

Kick the horned rat in the dick, hard maybe.

From what I can gather we're dealing with at least two separate Gambits with a possible third.

The Princep forging a god (and no doubt fucking that up.)

Skavor digging into the Glittering realm (and no doubt fucking that up too.)

The fucking Bell if that ever shows up (if it hasn't already and we just missed it somehow.)

Chances are if we keep digging we'll find more, for lack of a better term, genesis flags.

Say what you will about the rat bastard, he knows how to stack a deck.
 
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