Warhammer Fantasy: Thirteen Tolls - An Apocalypse Quest

More questions as well. @Graf Tzarogy When Xenophon was talking to Lady Tophania before the play she mentioned that her nephew Angelus Spania was the Keeper of the Prison of Mirrors. Did he recognize what that is? Also, for the position of Grand Consecrator does Xenophon know what responsibilities they have beyond being Temple's representative to Myrmidia's Spring?
Xenophon does not know what the Prison of Mirrors is. He is aware that there are three representatives to the Spring - the Grand Consecrator for the Flame, the Chair of Theurgy for the Harvest Moon, and an Elder Brother of some description (they have too many) for Moulder. Xenophon does not know who the Chair of Theurgy is, but is aware that the Elder Brother to the Spring is a Master Cyrillus, because he is famous for selling anti dark magic diet supplements, which come up quite often on various advertising illusions dotted around town. Also, as far as Xenophon knows, it is only those three, along with the Chief Priest of the Temple of Myrmidia Perfecta (unknown) and the Princeps that have access to the Spring proper.

The Grand Consecrator's other major duty is maintaining the city-wide wards against daemonic apparation and hostile wizardry (including but not limited to teleportation). As long as that mystic boundary is maintained, no magics from outside the Twin Cities may pierce their borders. This limit is set according to the dividing line of "Terminus Stones", standing rocks engraved with runes of power that Temple performs annual sacrifices to of blood, honey and wine. The stones were originally in a large circle around the walls (including underwater), but where they used to sit undisturbed in fields, they are, due to the growth of the Shambles, most form the centerpiece of some random plaza or even as the foundation of a shop or a home, and are fairly grafittied and covered in posters and notices. Why bother, when no army has come within a hundred leagues of Tylos-Kavzar in a hundred years?
 
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I have to ask:

I guess the remas empire it isnt canon here with Kzar-tylos have suplant it isnt?.

Anyway, did you use also fanon? like WHFRP have create a lot of good fanon over the years and I just want to know how much it is used here.
 
Hmm, who says that the Remas Empire isn't Canon? After all, an empire is greater than even its greatest city, and after Tylos... the capital will have moved somewhere, right?
Let enough time pass (and here we are -1700 before the rise of Sigmar), and the second one will be more well-known than the first
 
I have to ask:

I guess the remas empire it isnt canon here with Kzar-tylos have suplant it isnt?.

Anyway, did you use also fanon? like WHFRP have create a lot of good fanon over the years and I just want to know how much it is used here.

The Reman Empire is ... confusing. Myrmidia is said to have been born as a mortal from 20IC to 60IC, and, shortly thereafter, established a "great empire". It is debated, however, whether she was born in Margaritta or Remas, and it is notable her empire is never referred to as the "Reman Empire" in specific. Lucan and Luccina found Luccini in 1IC, and Remas is said to be founded "in the following centuries". Apparently King Bhagar of Nehekara reclaimed lost territories from the Remans in 120 to 170 IC.

Taken one way, this might imply that Myrmidia was the founder of the Reman Empire, but that would mean that either she left Margaritta to (newly-settled?) Remas, and started it from there, or was born in new Remas itself, both of which would contradict the idea that Remas was founded "centuries" after Myrmidia was theoretically born. Taken another, it's possible that Myrmidia started an empire (unnamed), and then the Reman Empire was a name post-facto given to it, because it centered around what would be Remas. Or the Reman Empire was a successor to the Myrmidian one. Or that no Reman Empire ever existed at all.

Regardless, all of this is almost two-thousand years after the fall of Tylos-Kavzar, so very much beyond the scope of the Quest.

The above I guess suggests my attitude to fanon? Canon is a mess of random contradictory information, and fanon fills some of those gaps, sometimes well, sometimes not. I'll take it if it works for the story I'm trying to tell, or I think it works, and reject it if it doesn't. No guarantees, but there might be some fan-ish stuff in there.
 
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[X] a truth [Write-in].
-[X] The first vision: Relate in full, but editorialize caution in interpretation. It is unclear to what degree any of the figures are being warned about, or are instead marching on the shadowed figuring in the tower being warned about. Also, the rats are literal rats, for reasons you will get to.
-[X] The second vision: Again relate in full, but now note that this was right before the deal with a mouse beastman assassinating someone and all the news about Ratcatchers springing up, which is PART of why you think the rats are literal rats.
-[X] The "third vision": Relate what you saw under the city as if it were a vision that happened when you touched the divine artefact. This is where you become absolutely sure the rats are literal and not metaphorical rats.
-[X] An aside: if an opprotunity presents itself, tell someone that's not Melissa that it's not just nonsentients from potions, you literally saw the Princeps consume Junias's soul via his weapon.
 
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  • [X] a truth [Write-in].
    -[X] The first vision: Relate in full, but editorialize caution in interpretation. It is unclear to what degree any of the figures are being warned about, or are instead marching on the shadowed figuring in the tower being warned about. Also, the rats are literal rats, for reasons you will get to.
    -[X] The second vision: Again relate in full, but now note that this was right before the deal with a mouse beastman assassinating someone and all the news about Ratcatchers springing up, which is PART of why you think the rats are literal rats.
    -[X] The "third vision": Relate what you saw under the city as if it were a vision that happened when you touched the divine artefact. This is where you become absolutely sure the rats are literal and not metaphorical rats.
    -[X] An aside: if an opprotunity presents itself, tell someone that's not Melissa that it's not just nonsentients from potions, you literally saw the Princeps consume Junias's soul via his weapon.
    [X] the truth.
    [X] a truth [Write-in].
    -[X] The first vision: Relate in full, but editorialize caution in interpretation. It is unclear to what degree any of the figures are being warned about, or are instead marching on the shadowed figuring in the tower being warned about. Also, the rats are literal rats, for reasons you will get to.
    -[X] The second vision: Again relate in full, but now note that this was right before the deal with a mouse beastman assassinating someone and all the news about Ratcatchers springing up, which is PART of why you think the rats are literal rats.
    -[X] The "third vision": Relate what you saw under the city as if it were a vision that happened when you touched the divine artefact. This is where you become absolutely sure the rats are literal and not metaphorical rats.
    -[X] An aside: if an opportunity presents itself, tell them that it's not just nonsentients from potions, you literally saw the Princeps consume Junius's soul via his weapon.
 
Just noticed that the description for Gregorius when we saw him before the play is that he has red hair.

There is a young man with bright red hair, a blue tunic and pants, with a lightning-bolt pin that signaled he was a Hand of the Lodge of the Harvest Moon, a sort-off catch all category for wizards, for whatever reason had fallen off the cutthroat ladder of personal advancement in Thunderdome and were reduced to effectively manual labour – cloud-catching, smelting, electric work.

Could be a stretch but the description from the first dream lists a tall, red-haired man that is holding a jar full of thunder. I don't suppose that Gregorius could also be especially tall it just hasn't been noted from Xenophon so far?

A tall, red haired man staggers forward, bound in thirty chains, his back stabbed through with fifty kitchen knives, in his hands, thunder, trapped in a jar.

We also have this from the most recent chapter.

"Find every copy we can – and for the sake of the gods, don't open them. It's late, so Furnace 16 in the Foundry of the Four Lions" he throws his copy to them. "Collect everyone you can find from all the members and burn the lot. Some of us" and he's clearly speaking to you, and moreso, Kaginius "have spent a lot of time on political education and can't have our authentic campaigning about our persuasive message go to waste because some two-bit enchanter had the dimmest idea this side of Ulthuan!". He stops, breathing hard. He's gone red as his party.

Squinting my eyes I can fit Gregorius as a candidate for the person we see in the vision. His Red cause is holding him back with dumb ways of getting votes and it could be an indication that he might literally get stabbed in the back soon. Although it could just be someone else related to Thunderdome that we haven't encountered.
 
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[X] a truth [Write-in].
The Sacred Number has spoken XD
It's so annoying that we can't end the Princeps. Myrmidia messed up here: by starting a semidivine line, the Eagle allowed these people to think they are special: fantastic and unique snowflakes.
And why should these special snowflakes end like all mortals, eventually? Couldn't one make himself... divine with soul magic and sacrifice?
This reminds me a lot of Numenor, and Ar-Pharazon turning to Sauron to pursue immortality. Also shades of Berserk: the city is a sacrifice for the ascension of the fifth one of the Chaoshand.
 
"A minor Chaos god". Of course you think-believe that. True great-greatness is stealthy-silent... before it STRIKES!:cool:
Let the other four be disdainful-jealous, depending on a few man-things on the surface. The great-great horned Rat has so much more worship from all the Underempire, and is gathering that strength... to take-take over the world!!!
(Pinky and the Brain scene appropriate)

P.s. Unrelated: if many humble Skavenslaves think the GHR is the custodian of a paradise with mountains of cheese, shouldn't this make him less of an asshole, via the power of belief and worship?
 
P.s. Unrelated: if many humble Skavenslaves think the GHR is the custodian of a paradise with mountains of cheese, shouldn't this make him less of an asshole, via the power of belief and worship?
In my opinion, while the Gods are shaped by the belief of their mortal worshippers, once they have manifested fully they become somewhat fixed and self sustaining. Functionally, they don't want to change and will maintain their current state as much as possible, including directly influencing their followers.

Even the Order Gods don't change all that much between belief systems (at least for the few we have confirmation exist under different names). So, while in theory a sufficient number of Skaven believing the Horned Rat is a truly benevolent God could eventually change the GHR, it would take too long to matter since the GHR will simply crush the believers and reinforce its current narrative.
 
the warp is weird, specially if you take asumption of 40k into fantasy which...sure, why not.

Like gods are somewhat atemporal, they exist beyond time even when they have mortal origins, creating this paradox efect as we see a times. this quest follow that with the idea of cat, Elk, Crow, dove and Eagle existing befor mortal put human face on it....or that is a lie as well? do human create the pantheon of this exist upside of human interpretation? I think xenophon would love to argue this.

Also how they interact with other gods get weird, in end times when Nagash consume Usurian Morr also disapear, make that what you will. there is also the issue of human khaine vs elves khaine, iit is ether the same being with diferent shapes or diferent gods name the same.

Finally, Gods dosent change much their nature because belief, because gods in warhammer are not platonic ideals neither they are shape by belief but by emotions, Khrone is not really god of war in the same of "clash between army", he is the god of VIOLENCE, of that adrenaline feeling of using a rock to crush another man skull and feeling of rush you get to kill someone you dislike.

Warp gods are raw feeling. So Hornet rat represent something in the drive of the skaven in general.
 
Also, this position has a problem in that I am absolutely sure that different Chaos peoples revere the Chaos Gods under different names. However, this does not make them different gods.
 
the line of tyleus and princepses (princepi?) probably have been consuming souls father-to-son since the founding. somewhere still in there is the first guy, the man who sought a rose from the garden.
 
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Turn Two Results (Part 5) - Blackout


You tell a tale of the Tower. Melissa looks ill, Pelops scared, Ambrose thunderous. Floridus seems amused, Loreley excited, Kakram, as ever stock still.

"Are we sure these … entities represent specific people?" inquires Kaginius. "Could they not be perhaps events?"

It's a save, and clearly one. Most obviously, there's Gregorios – tall, red in heart and hair. But there's someone else, for Kaginius to distract so easily.

"Are we sure" you say, "that we can't identify anyone?"

Kaginius sighs. "The scorpion is the sign of Khaine. The eagle is Myrmidia, but her being there makes me consider the Schemer. The bull I doubt is Khaine again, so Geheb or the Violent or Margileo."

"Ditatis was a legionnaire before his late career" Floridus notes.

"I might know the warpstone man" calls Marcus. "Hieronimus Ovidius has invented plenty of weapons for that stuff. Don't know if he has anything to do with Shallya, but plenty of blood on his hands."

Kakram's voice echoes in your head.

The Skavorites are complicit.

"We've got leads on half then, I suppose." You say, rather pleased. "If that's all-"

"I am the Lightning" Cassius calls.

Everyone stops. He raises a hand – a crash of Thunder.

"I am the Wind and the Gale. I am the Rain and the Ruin. I am chosen of the Stormlord."

More thunder, closer.

He turns to Gregorios. "Do you mean to enslave me again?" Outwardly, the gladiator is perfectly calm, but you see the venom in his gaze – the eyes of the tempest.

A flash and a boom, just ahead.

Gregorios blanches, and stutters "Not – not a thought in my head – I've devoted my life -– you couldn't possibly – it must be a misunderstanding". He turns to you, wild-eyed. "You've seen something else, yeah? Tell us, damn you – enough with these half-truths!".

So, you tell a fairytale. It is received with worried faces and a panicked static of whispers.

All the relevant figures are identified – Chaos (Great Beast), Ranald (Cat), Myrmidia (Eagle), Ishernos (Elk), Verena (Owl), Morr (Crow), Shallya (Dove) – but no one seems to know what to make of the garden or the rats or the rose.

"Calm, everyone" says Ambrose, breaking through the noise. "We can confirm what we know for sure – Xenophon, interrupt me if I err. The Princeps is planning a great evil. This was known. This evil involves, in some way, the Gods. This was known. A number of individuals, including us, are involved. This was known – hells, that is the very point of the League. The only piece of absolutely new information provided is that the plot involves literal rats, which is a bit of intel I can't say will make any particular difference in my plans, and I bet the rest of you as well."

"Wisely put" says Floridus, and Melissa offers a smile.

"It changes nothing, but that the Divine itself might be in league with the Princeps" notes Kaginius gravely.

"We already knew the odds were bad. That just underlines our need for subtlety. Besides-" and Ambrose puts an arm around you and you don't blush "We've got some diviners of our very own right here."

Buoyed by that endorsement, you give your third "vision".

When you mention the plug, Kakram leaps up from his seat. He makes some signals with his hands and rushes out.

"He said he had to report to his liege" Marcus says. "He's never mentioned them before."

Floridus opines on the warpstone. "The Tower is a magical font. It feeds six of the eight Winds into the city – fire and light to us, metal and sky to the Lodge, life and death to the Brotherhood. Shadow goes up into the Tower proper, into the telegraph system and gods know what, and the wild, as it was told to me, gets "discarded" as it does not befit our civilized character. I do believe, my good man, you've figure out where it goes – with the rest of the waste."

"So, the bones are – Ghur?" you ask.

"More or less? Or at least a byproduct of whatever the magical creation process of the Tower is, flavored by the wind that's thrown directly in the trash, as opposed to being filtered through us."

"Doesn't that mean these mutant-folk have the same magical oomph as one of your wizard gangs?" Loreley asks.

"Well, half of our power, to be precise" replies Floridus.

You think of the great Thunderdome, full of caught storms, and the ever-blooming leagues of garden that make up Summerland, and the legions of masked inquisitors that stalk Temple's streets.

"A threat" you say.

"Quite" says Marcus. "And perhaps another reason for that ratcatching, if they've noticed their trash going missing."

A fair amount of discussion on your visions follows, which mostly involves the various members of the League tossing out names and institutions you haven't heard of, and the rest of them shooting them down for lack of plausibility for involvement in an affair to maybe end the world. That maybe is the final topic of discussion.

"How sure are you" says Loreley "that all this guff is true?"

The question shakes you a bit. You dreamt, and you've gone, as you always have. It has never been in your nature so far to doubt. But you see your reflection on the sheath of your sword. Your nose is scarred, you've sold your crown, you look like you've hardly slept in months – which is true. You've been running yourself ragged over a nightmare, and in your worry to try and stop whatever was coming, never stopped to think – was there anything at all? And in your exhausted, ruined state, in a role you haven't earned, in cities you abandoned, among people you don't know – what right do you have to judge the end of days?

But then Pelops intervenes.

"I believe in the Raven!" he squeaks. "The other Brothers – they knew something great and terrible was on the way. They went mad for it! And Morr still chose to speak, knowing to do so was to hurt his followers, his way of touching the world. No God would do that – cut off their own hands – unless they had something really, really important to say."

Melissa follows.

"I do not know why my husband died. I do not know what the Princeps wants. I do not know anything of the Gods. But I know they are all taking in interest in Xenophon. So, what he has to say must be something vital."

They both look at you with – no other word for it – faith. You shake the reflection of a sad, pathetic man, from your head. They are right. This is too much to be nothing. And that you might not be up for what task destiny demands gives you no right to shrink from the role. No man may choose the hour of his fate, but, as Morr always reminds, it is up to you how you want to die. And for them, at least, the people who are putting their trust in you – for the people who did – and for the people of these cities – which, against all, you are remembering that you love – you will meet come-what-may with all the effort and dignity you can. You speak, with a confidence that comes from the grey depths of your soul.

"Thank you, Melissa, Pelops. I know what I saw, and I speak that truth. And if I might be certain in one thing from all my visions that Morr has deigned to give, let it be this: an end is coming. What, where, when, who, how – as we've talked, you've seen – a thousand maybes. But that there will be a fall, I know, and the darkness that follows will be worse than I could ever foresee."

And that's the closer on the evening.



Ambrose follows you and Pelops out.

"You're a good man" he says to you.

"I appreciate the compliment" you reply (and you really rather do, your heart beating a bit quicker) "but I hardly did much. Only my duty."

"That a brave thing these days" he says "rarer and rarer for a man to be brave. You're here, even after what you just said, and you're still trying to save all of this" and he gestures to the trash and the drunk sleeping in it and the rats scurrying by and people laughing in a restaurant and the laundry hanging from a window and the glow of the streetlamps and the smell of the river and the noise of carriages and the feel of cobblestones under your feet. "All of it, and they hardly know who you are, and would laugh if you told them your aim. Aye, a good fellow indeed." And to your surprise, he drags you in for a hug. His arms are very strong, and his stubble scrapes your cheek.

He then seems to remember himself, and step back, though you regret he does.

"What's the plan for you then. Chase more visions? I'm at your service, of course still, but we at the League – or you know what, damn them – I would be happy – honored! – if you'd join us on some of our extracurricular activities. Your choice, of course, I don't want to overstep, and if you don't want to know for safety's sake, that's your prerogative. You know much, much more than I do. But-" and he grins wonderfully white. "I wouldn't mind spending some more time with you to save the world."

What do you do?

[-] Agree.

Onward to revolution. You will be offered up to three [LEAGUE] actions each turn. With the resources provided by Ambrose, these actions are discounted; if you take two, they will only take up one action slot (though only taking one will cost one slot as normal). The League may grow irritated if you agree and do not perform any tasks. This will also increase suspicion of you, and specifically aligns you with this faction. You get to know Ambrose more.

[-] Refuse.

You like Ambrose, but this is too dangerous. Nothing will change, though he will be slightly disappointed.

[Either way, you tell Ambrose about Junius and the Sword. You trust him that much.]



You return home to the Roost.

But as you turn the corner to the street at the end of which the garden sits, there is a sudden pop of magic. You turn and see one of the Hysh lamps lining the street has gone out. Then, pop! another follows, and then another, and another, and another, until the whole street, suddenly is cast in darkness. You draw your sword, and Pelops follows, both of you back-to-back. You rotate, looking around the street, when:

Ding-dong.

All the lights, everywhere in the cities go out. There's a few screams of shock, and you tense – waiting, waiting.

You can see the great sphere of Thunderdome, but there's no crackle of lightning within. You look at the castles of the Casbah, but they've vanished into the night. You look to the Tower – and-

You See It.

A great, gibbering soul – far brighter than the Princeps. A thousand-million scream within it, stitched together by foul artifice, forever being ripped and torn and stitched anew. It roars in pain – and you feel within that this is an abomination, a crime against life – a crime against death. It twitches spasmodically, and you notice it is bound with thirteen chains of magic and warpstone, each linked to some infernal device, half altar, half-guillotine. They are empty. Below it, a bright spark – the Princeps – and he is giddy, laughing as the horror seizes and sobs.

Bzzzt.

The power returns. There are sighs of relief and noise on the streets. You can see the gardens of Summerland blooming, the shining spires of Elftown, the gold tips of the pyramids in Little Khemri. The Tower is but a tower once more.

But that first streetlamp.

It stays dark.
 
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a crime against life, a crime against death. the eternal soul of the Princepi, aged beyond reason, seeking all the enlargement it can in a mad orgiastic frenzy of consumption. a thousand million souls, stitched together into one great abomination feast that the princeps will eat. eat, and grow strong. eat, and go mad. The Tower Rises Higher. The Rat King is Forming. Ding Dong.
 
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Floridus seems amused
This doesn't actually prompt this thought, but it did make me actually remember to post about it, but Floridus is almost certainly the one who prompted Ambrose to offer us the Necoho sword. That is frankly way less of a concern than a necoho connection would be in any other circumstances, since i very much doubt necoho wants the great Horned Rat to come into existence, that's kinda against his whole THING, but it is something to keep in mind.

Also:
"Doesn't that mean these mutant-folk have the same magical oomph as one of your wizard gangs?" Loreley asks.

"Well, half of our power, to be precise" replies Floridus.

You think of the great Thunderdome, full of caught storms, and the ever-blooming leagues of garden that make up Summerland, and the legions of masked inquisitors that stalk Temple's streets.

"A threat" you say.
A threat, or an ally, a peer to the great powers of the city that most don't know to include in their calculations.
 
Well I guess we know what the Princeps is doing with all the rats. Although my question now is who are the guillotine-altars intended for? It would be ironic if a coalition is formed to march on the tower only for those involved to be used as sacrifices in the Princeps Great Ritual.

The only argument I can think of for saying no is that we're gonna need to report to the Princeps and we can't tell lies to him because of the ring. Joining a cabal dedicated to overturning the order of the city and attempting to avert his plan might not be the best decision if we have to spill it to him right after. If it's a written report or we can somehow thread the needle in only talking about a narrative that's technically true I think joining them is definitely the way forward.
 
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