Warhammer Fantasy: Thirteen Tolls - An Apocalypse Quest

Surprisingly, Ambrose is the one to speak next. His eyes are really irritatingly pretty. Gold-specks in dark green, like buttercups in summer fields. He's talking. You should pay attention.
With all the fuckery going on my first instinct was "oh no more witchcraft to manipulate us!"

However, the fact that Xenophon's witchsight doesn't catch anything from Ambrose until later suggests that it's not magic. He really is just that pretty.
 
- The mutants below the city, they save the rats from the rat catchers and seem to be related to Anhalt

I don't think these folk are a faction that will be a big deal. I got the impression that they're a really small and very isolated community.

Maybe missing factions:

- I think the different parts of the league may need to be understood as separate factions. E.g. the Law God zealots and priests may not share much common ground with the folk who want to free all the slaves or the union people/mutualists who want a revolution in the power relations in society; and I think it's unlikely that the Gazulite cares about the humans or elves much at all
- The mainstream dwarves, elves and dark elves are all superpowers that are preoccupied but may have schemes in play anyway
 
Did I miss anybody get something wrong?
We've also got the Whites, the current incumbent political block in the Senate. I can hazard a guess that there's a bunch of miscellaneous religious groups around too but we've not really made note of them.

I suppose you could argue Tophania and Eutropios qualify too, but right now we don't know enough details to confirm that.
However, the fact that Xenophon's witchsight doesn't catch anything from Ambrose until later suggests that it's not magic. He really is just that pretty.
There is nothing concerning about the man from the XVII Legion. He is merely here to be Bearer of the Word.
"The seventeenth. My last campaign was the conquest of Sapaudia. My specialty was diplomacy with barbarians." His eye twitches at the last word.
More seriously, I just remembered this. Xenophon thought it was a dig at him, but considering Ambrose states he wants to kill the Princeps, it brings up the possibility that he may empathise with "barbarians" for whatever reason.
 
So it's supposedly Myrmidia Herself who asked for that play. Maybe she tried to convince to Princeps to stop what he was doing, and the guy with the javelin wanted to make sure he stopped.
I second this.

I also think that S-Nefer-Ka may actually be Kemmler in disguise, working together with the Princeps.

[X] a truth [Write-in].
-[X] The first vision: Relate in full, but editorialize caution in interpretation. It is unclear to what degree any of the figures are being warned about, or are instead marching on the shadowed figuring in the tower being warned about. Also, the rats are literal rats, for reasons you will get to.
-[X] The second vision: Again relate in full, but now note that this was right before the deal with a mouse beastman assassinating someone and all the news about Ratcatchers springing up, which is PART of why you think the rats are literal rats.
-[X] The "third vision": Relate what you saw under the city as if it were a vision that happened when you touched the divine artefact. This is where you become absolutely sure the rats are literal and not metaphorical rats.
-[X] An aside: if an opprotunity presents itself, tell someone that's not Melissa that it's not just nonsentients from potions, you literally saw the Princeps consume Junias's soul via his weapon.
 
Isn't Kemmler far too young to play any role in these events?

We are something like 3000 years before his rise to prominence.
 
Actually, we should really clarify: What actually is the broad state of nekehara right now? I don't expect Xenophon to have exact details but well, eh should know "yeah it's populated by skeletons" vs "what, no, that'd be crazy!?." My understanding of canon is that everything with a Nagash turning nekehara into the Land Of The Dead postdates the rise of the skaven. Nagash can very well have had his first reign, where he was functionally still a magical genius who has personally invented necromancy, but importantly was still pretty much a HUMAN magical genius, being a tyrant over a human population. But "little khemri, where they can stand tall unbent by the machination of nagash" feels like it presents the situation as rather more dire than that.

I suppose it might fit if Nagash is literally in the midst of his first reign right now?
 
Whoop haven't actually voted for my own write-in that everyone is voting for yet :V

[X] a truth [Write-in].
-[X] The first vision: Relate in full, but editorialize caution in interpretation. It is unclear to what degree any of the figures are being warned about, or are instead marching on the shadowed figuring in the tower being warned about. Also, the rats are literal rats, for reasons you will get to.
-[X] The second vision: Again relate in full, but now note that this was right before the deal with a mouse beastman assassinating someone and all the news about Ratcatchers springing up, which is PART of why you think the rats are literal rats.
-[X] The "third vision": Relate what you saw under the city as if it were a vision that happened when you touched the divine artefact. This is where you become absolutely sure the rats are literal and not metaphorical rats.
-[X] An aside: if an opprotunity presents itself, tell someone that's not Melissa that it's not just nonsentients from potions, you literally saw the Princeps consume Junias's soul via his weapon.
 
Just read through the quest and the vibes are honestly amazing.

My general thoughts on the narrative threads presented so far with potential reaches/conclusions

In the second vision it's mentioned that Myrmidia (eagle) stoppered the source of all things with her feathers which could correlate to the diamond plug we came across in the depths. The reason that plug is scratched is it's what the dwarves are trying to destroy and get past. There's also some semantic relations to "stoppering" and Ahalt because they're the god of drinking. @Graf Tzarogy when Xenophon came across the pit during rat catching did he look up at all? If so did he see a hole in the ceiling? That would basically confirm that it leads to the ritual area from Petrification Day.

For Myrmidia's goals during the play it could be to convince the Princeps to change the goal of his grand ritual and either coopt it or change the end result. This is just based on the latest update where we get this quote 'Myrmidia gives inspiration for a play to Junius "to show her love" to the "heirs of Tyleus", meaning the Princeps and his line, which claim direct male-line descendance.'

As for the Princeps I'm convinced from the second vision and from the general bad vibes that he gives he's gonna try and do a ritual that turns him into the Great Horned Rat. He's collecting rats, has a sword that's actively beefing his soul up way beyond human levels, is in talks with the Nehekharan for tips with grand rituals, plus meta-knowledge that the Skaven are gonna be created. Don't know the symbolism with the rose from the vision so if anyone has any ideas that'd be nice.

Things I'm not sure about are basically all the symbols from the first vision, explanations for what's up with the mutant village + ghur wizard, who's collecting all the warpstone (dwarves?), what's up with the bones that have warpstone filled in them that are growing (moulder??), why the dwarf mines from ratcatching looked abnormal.

Threads to follow up on imo:

MOULDER just by virtue of the name has to be sus somehow
TOWER (obvious)
Nehekharan priest + maybe gods as well from the mention of Nagash in the first vision and recent collaboration with the Princeps.
Dwarves needs to be followed up on somehow
What the hell does the Princeps plan to do with the rats. Most obvious connection is they're used to juice himself but what are the implications of that and how does that relate to the ritual he's setting up.


More general vibe-reads
The quest will only last 13 turns (obvious)
The quest will go 22 turns (all the tarot cards)
There are literally 13 separate plots going on
Nehekharan gods are mucking about as well
We're gonna need to get the gazul priest sword that was dropped in the water at some point
There's a chaos plot going on somewhere as part of the gambit pileup
 
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It's far from certain that guy is linked to anything tho. I really don't think he has anything to do with the situation at hand. He's a god of fertility and the hunt, and if he's a concurrent of Taal and Rhya he's a nature god. I really don't see what he would do imprisoned under a city, and so far there's nothing hinting that the god under the city is a nature one.
 
It's far from certain that guy is linked to anything tho. I really don't think he has anything to do with the situation at hand. He's a god of fertility and the hunt, and if he's a concurrent of Taal and Rhya he's a nature god. I really don't see what he would do imprisoned under a city, and so far there's nothing hinting that the god under the city is a nature one.
It is not certain he's linked to things, but it is very much not far from certain:

[Risky Flip (Ahalt's Hello): Tails (Failure)]
 
Welcome to all the new readers, and thank you very much for the kind comments.
Why? Isn't that the true?
I wanted to just give a "just the visions" option with no edits at all, just in case if you didn't want to give any information Xenophon had beyond his dreams.
Want constructive criticism or nah?
Shoot.
Another observation: these folks are either desperate; plan to kill us or have terrible operational security.

They've brought us and our child soldier to dinner and identified the key members of their treasonous conspiracy. They've done all that while knowing that the dictator will likely listen to what we have to say and that we have a separate right to address the senate.
It should be noted that Xenophon has been in the city exactly two weeks. Despite him being the Raven, the League has a Senator (and a chief priest), a senatorial candidate, the (effective) head of a major union, and a warrior in the personal confidence of the Princeps. They have the ability to address the Senate themselves, and Xenophon is pretty sure in a he-said-she-said scenario he wouldn't come up on top.
What actually is the broad state of nekehara right now?
It is currently -1780 IC. In Nehekara, that means Nagash is in his "reign of terror". He has invented the Elixir of Youth, and used it to rule Khemri for the past two hundred and twenty years, which is still full of very much living people. Arkhan is his lieutenant, and together, they are currently raising the Black Pyramid. Rumors come of dark magic and the raising of the dead. Nagash imports vast amounts of slaves, and in this actually has fairly good relations with Tylos-Kavzar, which is a major supplier. The Twin Cities also trade mass amounts of raw commodities and weaponry to support Nagash's eternal war effort against the other city-states of Nehekara, which are yet unsubjugated. In a great irony, the elite of those city-states which lose wars tend to flee to Tylos to Little Khemri, to the city that supplied the arms which defeated them. This has caused no little bit of resentment, and especially tension between them and the agents of Nagash in the city. Currently, Khemri has as vassal states Zandri, Numas and Quatar. Ka-Sabar and Bhagar were devastated in earlier wars, and are by treaty sworn to be neutral. Nagash is currently warring against Mahrak and Lybaras. Both sides are appealing to Lahmia to join them, though it has yet to choose a side. Armies of slave soliders and bound jinn fight necrosphinxes ridden by the twelve-priest lords of the City of Hope and the sky-ships and steam-scorpions of the City of Scholars. The Great Ritual has yet to come.
@Graf Tzarogy when Xenophon came across the pit during rat catching did he look up at all?
He did not. But the Pall would have been in the direction he was running in, he thinks.
 
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It's far from certain that guy is linked to anything tho. I really don't think he has anything to do with the situation at hand. He's a god of fertility and the hunt, and if he's a concurrent of Taal and Rhya he's a nature god. I really don't see what he would do imprisoned under a city, and so far there's nothing hinting that the god under the city is a nature one.


Mutants and beast people and Ghyr suggest a nature god, I think.
 
[X] a truth [Write-in].
-[X] The first vision: Relate in full, but editorialize caution in interpretation. It is unclear to what degree any of the figures are being warned about, or are instead marching on the shadowed figuring in the tower being warned about. Also, the rats are literal rats, for reasons you will get to.
-[X] The second vision: Again relate in full, but now note that this was right before the deal with a mouse beastman assassinating someone and all the news about Ratcatchers springing up, which is PART of why you think the rats are literal rats.
-[X] The "third vision": Relate what you saw under the city as if it were a vision that happened when you touched the divine artefact. This is where you become absolutely sure the rats are literal and not metaphorical rats.
-[X] An aside: if an opprotunity presents itself, tell someone that's not Melissa that it's not just nonsentients from potions, you literally saw the Princeps consume Junias's soul via his weapon.
 
However, the fact that Xenophon's witchsight doesn't catch anything from Ambrose until later suggests that it's not magic. He really is just that pretty.
Son of a bitch gave us a direct hit with that bishounen sparkle. Surprised we weren't blinded.

Also love the quest, gives a real feeling of "Oh shit the ship is going down" without explicitly saying so. You can feel from the text an almost quiet desperation.

It's like the latter half of "The Doom That Came to Saraneth" being stretched out into its own novel.

Honestly Xeno is a better man that I am because I'm half tempted to simply run the fate of this place be damned.
 
More analysis of the second vision. I'm pretty confident that the garden mentioned in it is Tylos itself but there's some confusing implications from the text and explanations of the setting.
See Pleroma, at the centre of all. Another island, another kingdom, but this one is not for the low. Pleroma is only for the highest of the high, and brooks no false humility. Here is the TOWER, the tallest of all, under construction for ninety-nine years, and almost complete. Here, the Senate meets, and discusses the destiny of peoples and nations. Here, the Endless Font, the last, best, gift of Myrmidia, gives forth its endless bounty of magic and wonder. Here, the Princeps Suttar, the greatest man in a city of great men, wearing his crown of golden horns, works towards his greatest masterpiece – a topping of the tower, and the fulfillment of a momentous destiny. Here, the bells ring to mark the hours of the greatest cities that have, are, and ever will be. Glory to Kavzar, Glory to Tylos, Glory to us!

In this quote from the introductory page it seems like we have the spring in question mentioned in the second vision that Myrmidia dries up to prevent chaos from accessing and then eventually unstoppers to revive the garden.

And while the Lady went to try to speak reason to the Beast, Eagle knew what must be done. She dove down, deep, deep into the depths and saw the source of all things – and tore off her feathers to stopper it.

After, in the shattered garden, he searched desperately for a rose – and who to meet him but Eagle. Behind her gushed the spring anew, for she, hearing evil's death throes, hurried to restore it, to wash all taint from the world. And it did –again the fruit ripened, and the flowers bloomed. The water too, in its miracles, healed Eagle's wings. She left the garden for the man to guard – for what a hero he had been. Then she left to fly the breadth of the world.

My reading of this and the second vision in general is that Ranald (Cat), Taal (Elk), Verena (Owl), Morr (Crow ? not 100% on this one but it fits with other circumstantial stuff), and then Shallya (Dove), and Myrmidia (Eagle) all were chilling at Tylos because of the font. Chaos came to claim it but Myrmidia stoppered it and Chaos sits at the location. Tyleus came and slew the beast that Chaos was using because he wanted whatever the Rose is. Myrmidia restores the spring which leads to Kavzar/Tylos to prosper and then goes to fuck off (why, what was she doing or is it just metaphor) and then the end of the story barring any changes is that when she comes back the line of Tyleus (in this case the Princeps) has been corrupted, ruins the garden (creating the blighted marsh), and is using the Rose to bait the rats and consume them.

There are two things I think are key in the vision that we don't know. First, what is the Rose that the man was looking for and why is it effective as bait for the rats at the end of the second vision? Second, how does the vision showing Myrmidia unstoppering the font jive with the diamond plug that we found rat catching + how does that relate to Ahalt. My initial interpretation was that the plug was Myrmidia's feathers she used to stopper it but that conflicts with the intro post saying the Font is located on Pleroma and that in the vision itself she restores the spring (presumably by unstoppering it?) If so then the question is how did the diamond plug get created and how does it relate to Ahalt and the statement from the priest of Gazul that the dwarves want to get to the Glittering Realm.

I think visiting the temple of Tyleus with questions on why he came and founded the twin cities with the goal of figuring out what the Rose is will be important and obviously investigating the TOWER. Could also be worth it to talk to the priests of Ahalt to see what they say about their god maybe being sealed away.


@Graf Tzarogy Couple questions, how much does Xenophon know about the marriage between Tyleus and Myrmidia, how far away are the elections to the Senate, how much does he know about Myrmidia's Spring and how it's used on Pleroma, also is there an option to visit the Temple district? I noticed that in the intro post it's one of the districts listed but not one of them in the explore a district option. Instead it's replace by Academy which I don't know is intentional or just missing or w/e.
 
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First, what is the Rose that the man was looking for
Something Xenophon would know - Morr's black roses purportedly originate as cuttings of the blossoms from the Tree of Hope, that which lies beyond Morr's Realm.
@Graf Tzarogy Couple questions, how much does Xenophon know about the marriage between Tyleus and Myrmidia, how far away are the elections to the Senate, how much does he know about Myrmidia's Spring and how it's used on Pleroma, also is there an option to visit the Temple district?
In time immemorial, Tyleus was exiled by his people for a crime he did not commit. He came to where Tyleus and Kavzar now stand to make a home, slaying a great beast to do so. One day, three women came to his door. Between them they fought for a golden ball, emblazoned on it "to the Heart". They had heard of his hunt, and thought him a fit judge. One offered for his choosing her wisdom and knowledge, to have the meaure of every star and every flower and to always have the truth. Another offered forgiveness and peace; that no one would ever harm him, and the world would bend to keep his tranquility. The final woman - Myrmidia - offered him beauty. He chose her, and she married him, for she was the most gorgeous thing in all the world. His wedding gift was a spear, to promise to defend and all beauty till the end of days. Hers was a spring, to sustain him and his works in life everlasting. And so they were wed, under a canopy of roses, benath the twin-tailed glow of that golden orb.

The above is what Xenophon was told as a child. As you identified, going to the temple of Tyleus would net you more information.

Elections are in six weeks, so turn eight. He knows Myrmidia's Spring is a source of great magic beneath the Tower that has been tapped since time immemorial. It is in some way associated with the temple of Myrmidia Perfecta. Xenophon thinks someone high up at the Flame, the Brotherhood, or the Lodge would know more, or maybe Gregorios and/or Ambrose. Academy is Temple, sorry, that's just a leftover from an earlier draft.
 
[X] a truth [Write-in].
-[X] The first vision: Relate in full, but editorialize caution in interpretation. It is unclear to what degree any of the figures are being warned about, or are instead marching on the shadowed figuring in the tower being warned about. Also, the rats are literal rats, for reasons you will get to.
-[X] The second vision: Again relate in full, but now note that this was right before the deal with a mouse beastman assassinating someone and all the news about Ratcatchers springing up, which is PART of why you think the rats are literal rats.
-[X] The "third vision": Relate what you saw under the city as if it were a vision that happened when you touched the divine artefact. This is where you become absolutely sure the rats are literal and not metaphorical rats.
-[X] An aside: if an opprotunity presents itself, tell someone that's not Melissa that it's not just nonsentients from potions, you literally saw the Princeps consume Junias's soul via his weapon.
 
He has invented the Elixir of Youth, and used it to rule Khemri for the past two hundred and twenty years,
Funnily enough, that's still not anything special by Nehekhara standards. Between the Covenant the Nehekharans had with their gods and the abilities of the Mortuary Cult, Nehekharans could live for a long time by human standards. Back then, being 100 years old was considered middle aged by the standards of Nehekharan peasants, the upper classes could live even longer(though how much of that was the Covenant and how much was simple access to Liche Priests is unknown). At least until Nagash broke the Covenant(though the Nehekharan still retained many of their old blessings*, at least to a degree before Nagash returned to kill them all and raise them as undead)).

but whether they are "revived" in any way, or as some wizards in Tylos claim, merely "animated' bones like the Ushabti are animated stone is a matter of debate.
Depends on the type of undead, how and where they were animated. Skeletal undead that were raised because of exposure to ambient dark magic tend to have their own spirits but those raised by Nagash's Necromancy** really are just constructs.

*And it wasn't just long life that the Covenant granted, but also bountiful lands and even superhuman bodies. The original Ushabti were humans blessed with the power of gods rather than statues. Case in point, the people of Ka-Sabar.
The people of Ka-Sabar were known for their great size of nearly seven feet tall, and its warriors had skin hard enough that arrows shattered against them. These warriors were assembled into the formidable Legion of Bronze, led by the lion-bodied Ushabti of Geheb.
I would say that Nehekhara Divine Magic OP piz nerf, but Nagash kinda went and did that when he broke the Covenant. Still, before that happened, the humans of Tylos, Araby and anywhere else Nehekhara had contact with were probably jealous as hell over Nehkharan longevity and probably continued to be so even after the Covenant was broken.

**I recommend reading the Liber Necris. It gives a fascinating insight into Nehekharan mysticism and how it forms the foundation of Nagash's necromancy. Especially the Nehkharan view of the soul.
 
Hey, sorry everyone, slight correction. Thanks to @GhostKing 666 I reread the Liber Necris and realized that I had merged Nagash's later kingdom around Cripple Peak to his earlier rule of Khemri. That is to say, Nagash has not yet invented necromancy, which happens after his exile, though he still is an expert of "dark magic". I have made corrections to the post about Nehekara accordingly.
 
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Something Xenophon would know - Morr's black roses purportedly originate as cuttings of the blossoms from the Tree of Hope, that which lies beyond Morr's Realm.
Well shit, that's about as straightforward a metaphor as we're ever going to get. The dude who probably represents The Princeps is tempting people with false hope, getting them to struggle and bleed and climb over each other to reach the top, only to eat their souls once they actually get there. Almost cut and dry enough to make me wonder if there's something else I'm missing.
 
Weeping Myrmidia guides a legionnaire who whispers to a skull.
I reread the vision in the first chapter and got an idea about this line. I think it represents Melissa's husband, Junius. His final role was a soldier, in a play he wrote from Myrmidia's inspiration. And the image of a man addressing a skull? What does that remind you of? That's right, Hamlet. It's from theater.

If Junius is a member of the procession, that lends support to the interpretation that they are "marching against the tower", i.e. that every figure represents someone in the city we might ally with to stop the Princeps's Great and Terrible Work.
 
[X] a truth [Write-in].
-[X] The first vision: Relate in full, but editorialize caution in interpretation. It is unclear to what degree any of the figures are being warned about, or are instead marching on the shadowed figuring in the tower being warned about. Also, the rats are literal rats, for reasons you will get to.
-[X] The second vision: Again relate in full, but now note that this was right before the deal with a mouse beastman assassinating someone and all the news about Ratcatchers springing up, which is PART of why you think the rats are literal rats.
-[X] The "third vision": Relate what you saw under the city as if it were a vision that happened when you touched the divine artefact. This is where you become absolutely sure the rats are literal and not metaphorical rats.
-[X] An aside: if an opprotunity presents itself, tell someone that's not Melissa that it's not just nonsentients from potions, you literally saw the Princeps consume Junias's soul via his weapon.



The entire intrigue and politicking and treachery going on makes Tylos at the end truly feeling like the genesis of Skavenblight itself.
 
I reread the vision in the first chapter and got an idea about this line. I think it represents Melissa's husband, Junius. His final role was a soldier, in a play he wrote from Myrmidia's inspiration. And the image of a man addressing a skull? What does that remind you of? That's right, Hamlet. It's from theater.

If Junius is a member of the procession, that lends support to the interpretation that they are "marching against the tower", i.e. that every figure represents someone in the city we might ally with to stop the Princeps's Great and Terrible Work.

Going off this interpretation the ones that are potentially identifiable in the vision so far could be Lady Tophania as the elf with corpses attached to her. The ghur wizard who transformed into a flower man and the giant mouse could maybe be the giant cockroach going after her. Fafnir Fogfather could be the almost completely petrified dwarf. This would leave the man riding the bull, the scorpion, the golden eagle dropping marbles of light, the man made of warpstone, Nagash (although cmon this has to be related to the Nehekharan), and the tall red haired man holding a jar of thunder.

As we go to more places I'm sure it'll be easier to make associations between people and the vision. I would guess for the man becoming younger by drinking the bull's blood that would be associated with Moulder. The scorpion my best guess would be with someone in Little Khemri. The tall red haired man could be someone from Thunderdome? Man made of warpstone somehow related to Shallya? No idea for the golden eagle.

More questions as well. @Graf Tzarogy When Xenophon was talking to Lady Tophania before the play she mentioned that her nephew Angelus Spania was the Keeper of the Prison of Mirrors. Did he recognize what that is? Also, for the position of Grand Consecrator does Xenophon know what responsibilities they have beyond being Temple's representative to Myrmidia's Spring?
 
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