After meditating with the data-chimes I've determined that I require more data.he, redtape is our greatest ally! after 500 years once it is cleared whatever their initial reasons for attacking us will be moot
After meditating with the data-chimes I've determined that I require more data.he, redtape is our greatest ally! after 500 years once it is cleared whatever their initial reasons for attacking us will be moot
Reinforcements being late is mostly overblown because if that was the case then the Imperium would be in a worse position then in canon. Battlefleets and reinforcements more often than not arrive on time, maybe a month or two late or early, to help a besieged world it is just that the times they don't or something funny happens during transit we hear about it rather than the times everything went well. Most cases of extreme time dilation are more outliers than anything.Most imperial worlds are functionally semi independent anyway considering how spotty warp travel and communication is. The imperium straight up isn't cohesive enough for it to notice most of the time. Or save us if we get hit directly by one of the main threats. At best they'll come to clean up long after we're dead and stop it from snowballing into a sector wide threat.
One of the largest causes for that is the fact that the Imperium doesn't have time to dedicate to reorganizing things. Because the galaxy is so hostile that they can't go a full century without a major disaster happening. Mass restructing like that takes time and resources and due to the size of the Imperium such an act would take millennia a millennia the Imperium doesn't have. I mean look at the Tau they were able to progress so far because they had several thousand years of uninterrupted peace if the Imperium had the same liberty they would be in a better position.The imperium is the main source of misery feeding chaos in the warp and chaos recruits in real space so it causes just as many problems as it solves on its best day. It's also keeping all of humanity's potential on a leash by forbidding all innovation or more efficient organizing of resources.
Unfortunately the price for working with Chaos is always worse in the long run if you look at things objectively.That's definitely a problem for the average imperial protestor yes. You're stuck between the imperium leaving zero room for change and chaos being the only faction offering you backing with no questions asked.
The policies pushed by the Seekers will inevitably push us down that road because no one from the large Inperium will simply let us be if they find out about them. As for what they can do against us we have literally zero chances of defeating a single reprisal fleet sent against us at this stage. Being in the boonies doesn't protect us we don't have the military force to defend ourselves from a major faction and the wider Mechanicus doesn't like rivals for neighbors.who is advocating for declaring independence from the Imperium in the first place? Theres pretty much nothing they can really do against us, we are a Forge World out in the boonies, noone really has de factor authority over us
The policies pushed by the Seekers will inevitably push us down that road because no one from the large Inperium will simply let us be if they find out about them. As for what they can do against us we have literally zero chances of defeating a single reprisal fleet sent against us at this stage. Being in the boonies doesn't protect us we don't have the military force to defend ourselves from a major faction and the wider Mechanicus doesn't like rivals for neighbors.
One of the largest causes for that is the fact that the Imperium doesn't have time to dedicate to reorganizing things. Because the galaxy is so hostile that they can't go a full century without a major disaster happening. Mass restructing like that takes time and resources and due to the size of the Imperium such an act would take millennia a millennia the Imperium doesn't have. I mean look at the Tau they were able to progress so far because they had several thousand years of uninterrupted peace if the Imperium had the same liberty they would be in a better position.
Being the Omnissiah's greatest mind and strongest magos - that would be me.
Reinforcements being late is mostly overblown because if that was the case then the Imperium would be in a worse position then in canon. Battlefleets and reinforcements more often than not arrive on time, maybe a month or two late or early, to help a besieged world it is just that the times they don't or something funny happens during transit we hear about it rather than the times everything went well. Most cases of extreme time dilation are more outliers than anything.
Besides if Warp travel was that spotty then the whole import and export system in the Imperium would collapse as well since Hive Worlds wouldn't be able to get food on time and Forge Worlds wouldn't get needed materials.
One of the largest causes for that is the fact that the Imperium doesn't have time to dedicate to reorganizing things. Because the galaxy is so hostile that they can't go a full century without a major disaster happening. Mass restructing like that takes time and resources and due to the size of the Imperium such an act would take millennia a millennia the Imperium doesn't have. I mean look at the Tau they were able to progress so far because they had several thousand years of uninterrupted peace if the Imperium had the same liberty they would be in a better position.
Ah I see you are talking about a different kind of rebellion, but with the Militarist than dosent want to fight we were talking about the serious ones. Well about those you mention, we cant really do much about it one way or the other as of now. There are probably food riots and gang wars going on right now in the Forgeworld and we dont even know it since they dont really matter. They are more of a background thing, like the extreme pollution we are producing or the rest of "bad" things we do as routine.Most of the rebellions caused by tyranny are going to be small and short lived enough they don't make any list except the "silent casualty of imperial enforcement" one. Meanwhile, chaos rebellions are going to be disproportionately represented in lists of rebellions with narrative impact because they have literal supernatural backing.
Ah I see you are talking about a different kind of rebellion, but with the Militarist than dosent want to fight we were talking about the serious ones. Well about those you mention, we cant really do much about it one way or the other as of now. There are probably food riots and gang wars going on right now in the Forgeworld and we dont even know it since they dont really matter. They are more of a background thing, like the extreme pollution we are producing or the rest of "bad" things we do as routine.
Ah I see you are talking about a different kind of rebellion, but with the Militarist than dosent want to fight we were talking about the serious ones. Well about those you mention, we cant really do much about it one way or the other as of now. There are probably food riots and gang wars going on right now in the Forgeworld and we dont even know it since they dont really matter. They are more of a background thing, like the extreme pollution we are producing or the rest of "bad" things we do as routine.
Also 3 ish turns till people with male patter baldness can show up in your sewers.so there are 33 turns left until we forcibly get turned independent by the Great Rift
The Mechanicus investigating what happened to their new colony? Orthodox members against the radical direction things are going. Take your pick.
But it will have no effect on the wider galaxy.?????? but we are currently at peace and could do that restructuring.
Then we will have chaos and other horrble things to deal with on our own.its currently 730.M14 so there are 33 turns left until we forcibly get turned independent by the Great Rift
Travel time for reinforcements have been a thing since war existed so it still isn't as big deal as you are making it.The imperium largely survives because it's so big. The most critical worlds already have defenses on site so they can hold until delayed reinforcements get there and the rest is just ablative armor for them that can be resettled once the threat is answered. That doesn't save the people hit by the first wave though.
It is canon that their are plenty of worlds that are at modern Earth levels or better so that is already happening. And the admin doesn't really care unless they are worshipping anything other than the Emperor and the tithe is payed. So planets do pull themselves out of the muck. It is just that a single planet or sector is very insignificant and books about peaceful world x don't sell. And yes things are mostly sector level but it is still happening every where enough so that the people are to distracted with incoming doom to reform.Most threats and answers to them are only using local sector resources anyway because of the size of the galaxy and lack of coordination, and not every sector is on the frontlines. Plenty of places in the imperium have local peace they could use to pull themselves out of the muck but that'd be rebellion against imperial orthodoxy to even try. The imperium also clearly had millennias. 10 of them, in fact. It's large enough it can expect to last for quite a bit longer even on its declining course too.
Also 3 ish turns till people with male patter baldness can show up in your sewers.
Ah my bad then sorry, its funny how we keep arguing to then realise we are talking about completely different things. About the military, idk maybe the Steel Cult will take a look if some of them prefere a more orthodox and less mercenary (weirdly very radical as of now, not that its a fault) outlook. I'm sure some are.??? no we werent lol
and im a representing the military, who prefer not dying for nothing when you send skitarii to their deaths thats my people
I don't see why we couldn't answer them or why they wouldn't matter, let alone why we wouldn't know about them. We aren't a dysfunctional hive world where the nobles in the top spire barely know what happens in the lower layers. We're a fresh colony, we haven't accumulated that much rot or dysfunction yet.
It's also very detrimental to a well functioning forge world regardless of the moral aspect, so it very much matter. The imperium is just too corrupt to bother but we can easily do better.
Ah my bad then sorry, its funny how we keep arguing to then realise we are talking about completely different things. About the military, idk maybe the Steel Cult will take a look if some of them prefere a more orthodox and less mercenary (weirdly very radical as of now, not that its a fault) outlook. I'm sure some are.
That's around when the first tyrranic war happensDamn baldies here already? The bodycount will rise a lot then heh
So why it cant be a workers and soldiers party? Nobody has a monopoly on types of voters, dont forget we also include Logi and Artisans too. And the policing is not to mindlessly kill people like you want to assume I mean, its for security and criminal activity.there are regular riots in our city, what should we do? get more law enforcement to kill them, that will work spendidly!
the steel cult is not really a military party, its a military-industry party, as can be seen with them building their base among military-industrial workers
Hell yea we really need a good mindless war to unite us a bit. Dibs on melta production please its soo cool
So why it cant be a workers and soldiers party? Nobody has a monopoly on types of voters, dont forget we also include Logi and Artisans too. And the policing is not to mindlessly kill people like you want to assume I mean, its for security and criminal activity.
Travel time for reinforcements have been a thing since war existed so it still isn't as big deal as you are making it.
I'm sorry I dont understand. When did the Steel Party said it wants to throw skitarii to die uselessly? And again why shouldnt the Steel Cult expand in the military, there bound to be members not interested to join your party. Also, what kind of conflicting interest there are between the military and the Steel Party? We literallymake guns, armor and vehicles for them and have little interest in everything else except making fortifications.it can be, but the interests of the military-industrial complex are still at odds, as can be seen with the Iron Cult wanting to throw the Skitarii to their deaths.
Policing is already too high, solving the problem of regular riots is done by solving the root causes, not sending in more tanks to crush them...
There are probably food riots and gang wars going on right now in the Forgeworld and we dont even know it since they dont really matter.
There seem to be no current rioting for now here, and again like I wrote earlier policing its not done (at least in my idea) to kill mindlessly like you keep saying I want to do, but for security and criminal activity.
If you read everything in my conversation with
Yep but I do wish we got some more diverse parties instead of everyone jumping on the bandwagon. (And that my party got more votes )