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Well, that might ruin the action economy in the future, but I'm not going to say no to it.
Army of Liberty: a Fantasy Revolutionary Warfare Quest
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Other proof-reading issues:
Should be Round 4.
Got revealed, should be Teacher.
They took 16 casualties, so it should be 984/1000.
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Scattered thoughts.
Liberté Chastain and the 148th Hum. have been a heroic wall of resistance against the Nornisch dwarven legions. However, they are on their last legs, and we should be prepared for them to finally rout next turn.
Marie de Lamartine has survived but her brave artillery unit has not. We will have to deal with her after the battle. Hopefully, the political costs to remove her from the officer corps will be reduced now that her incompetence has publicly exposed on the battlefield.
We are probably going to spend a lot of influence to replace our losses.
It is obvious we have basically decided to side against the constitutional monarchists even if we have not formally voted on the issue. We used grapeshot on royalist monks, Raka Durand's thoughts drip with total contempt for the king, and I don't sense any support for keeping the Arnése monarchy among my fellow voters for understandable reasons. We may get a vote on the issue, but I think it is a given that we will publish any damning royal correspondence found for all to see if we take the enemy HQ and win the battle.
The potential release of any damning royal correspondence would be a national trauma for Arné in a similar way to that Louis XVI's failed Flight to Varennes was to France during its revolution. It would reveal that the King does not support the changes brought by the Revolution, it would be ever harder to pretend the revolutionary change were made with the King's consent and that he is in league with foreign powers to overturn the Revolution. Things will be worse if we successfully capture and unmask one of the Nornisch dwarven legions as additional evidence. Even if we capture any damning royal correspondence and one of the Nornisch units in the royalist army, it still might not be the immediate end of the monarchy. Even after Louis XVI was captured after the Flight, constitutional monarchists in the National Constituent Assembly held to the idea that the king could be restored to power if he agreed to the constitution and the monarchy would survive for a year longer after the Flight. However, the monarchy's days would be numbered.
I expect the Arnése constitutional monarchists to split along several different ways with the release of any damning royal correspondence. Some of the more conservative members will follow the lead of their monarch and reject the Revolution altogether. Some constitutional monarchists could be shown to be in league with the Volunteer Army which would make things worse. Some will simply insist Clotaire VIII should be made to accept the constitution again. Other constitutional monarchists would feel that Clotaire VIII would no longer be fit as king. These people would either argue that Clotaire VIII should be replaced as king with a more liberal candidate or radicalize into being republicans who would probably join the Consular faction.
Liberté Chastain and the 148th Hum. have been a heroic wall of resistance against the Nornisch dwarven legions. However, they are on their last legs, and we should be prepared for them to finally rout next turn.
Marie de Lamartine has survived but her brave artillery unit has not. We will have to deal with her after the battle. Hopefully, the political costs to remove her from the officer corps will be reduced now that her incompetence has publicly exposed on the battlefield.
We are probably going to spend a lot of influence to replace our losses.
It is obvious we have basically decided to side against the constitutional monarchists even if we have not formally voted on the issue. We used grapeshot on royalist monks, Raka Durand's thoughts drip with total contempt for the king, and I don't sense any support for keeping the Arnése monarchy among my fellow voters for understandable reasons. We may get a vote on the issue, but I think it is a given that we will publish any damning royal correspondence found for all to see if we take the enemy HQ and win the battle.
The potential release of any damning royal correspondence would be a national trauma for Arné in a similar way to that Louis XVI's failed Flight to Varennes was to France during its revolution. It would reveal that the King does not support the changes brought by the Revolution, it would be ever harder to pretend the revolutionary change were made with the King's consent and that he is in league with foreign powers to overturn the Revolution. Things will be worse if we successfully capture and unmask one of the Nornisch dwarven legions as additional evidence. Even if we capture any damning royal correspondence and one of the Nornisch units in the royalist army, it still might not be the immediate end of the monarchy. Even after Louis XVI was captured after the Flight, constitutional monarchists in the National Constituent Assembly held to the idea that the king could be restored to power if he agreed to the constitution and the monarchy would survive for a year longer after the Flight. However, the monarchy's days would be numbered.
I expect the Arnése constitutional monarchists to split along several different ways with the release of any damning royal correspondence. Some of the more conservative members will follow the lead of their monarch and reject the Revolution altogether. Some constitutional monarchists could be shown to be in league with the Volunteer Army which would make things worse. Some will simply insist Clotaire VIII should be made to accept the constitution again. Other constitutional monarchists would feel that Clotaire VIII would no longer be fit as king. These people would either argue that Clotaire VIII should be replaced as king with a more liberal candidate or radicalize into being republicans who would probably join the Consular faction.
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I think we actually want to charge the hobs with the pathfinders this turn then, to prevent them from reforming and possibly deciding to charge our pathfinders next turn themselves.
How does that work, if a unit rests and loses cohesion in the same turn, does it rest before or after the attack?
Or we preferably tutor her. It depends on the action economy we will have
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Louis never explicitly conspired with foreign powers and emigres to launch an invasion of French soil. Yes, the implications of him fleeing pointed in a certain direction, but it was never hard enough to lead him to the guillotine then and there.
I think instead of the French Revolution, for once we should be thinking about the English Civil War. Namely what happened when Charles promised to respect the outcome of the first war, and then soon started a new set of uprisings. When that happened, whatever the moderates might have felt, the army regarded him as a 'Man of Blood' and his fate was sealed.
The same is going to apply here, I suspect. And not just the army - legally, he agreed to the constitution - making this treason, plain and simple. He's definitely going to get his head chopped off, which will make an interesting divergence. The question of whether this will be a republic or constitutional monarchy will be settled a bit earlier than RL.
The question is how well can we get through the next big issue - the battle between centrist moderates and the left-wingers over matters like the Church, economic inequality, etc.
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Honestly, I'd rather use Ready Fire next turn to deal with any potential charges by a 2 Coh Hobgoblin force. We need those dwarves gone yesterday and the 28th remains in a perfect spot to not need to defend themselves this turn.
(Yeah technically they have two viable Charge paths next turn but I feel like I can probably persuade the GM to accept a READY FIRE 200m in the direction of literally the only landmark east of the lake and hit them. It's a wide open field.)
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I agree, we want the two human regiments and one halfling regiment firing for a 85% chance to rout the Heid Legion
Theres no real danger/opportunity of routing the Schw. Legion with our current plan of hitting them with the 45th and 55th - theres a 0,95% chance to rout them currently, as both the 45th and 55th have reduced attack because of casualties.
But something that we may be able to do is to have the 45th walk back and charge the Schw legion instead. the Legion is disoriented this turn after all and cant avoid it
Wouldn't it be better that the 28th fired on the 1st so that they don't get a negative 20 modifier from medium range. And then we could have the 16th charge the Heid Dwarfs. Also we could if we want send the 16th south since resting comes near last after moving.
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1. Halflings impose disadvantage on ranged attacks, which is about equivalent to a -20 (more like a -15, but we can avoid it entirely with a melee attack).
2. I originally had the 16th charging the dwarves at some point in my planning and I might go back to that.
3. I'm 99% sure that they don't actually count as routed once they're "safe" regardless of what orders they're given but Photo can clarify if I'm wrong.
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[X]Plan: Closing the Vice
-[X] 200th Hob: REST
-[X] 72nd Hum: ATTACK Heid Dwa Leg
-[X] 148th Hum: ATTACK Heid Dwa Leg
-[X] 42nd Elv: ATTACK Schw Dwa Leg
-[X] 45th Elv: REST
-[X] 16th Half: CHARGE Heid Dwa Leg
-[X] 19th Half Pfd: CHARGE 1st Elv Vol
-[X] 28th Half Pfd: FIRE Heid Dwa Leg
-[X] 55th Elv Hsr: CHARGE 1st Elv Vol (if impossible, CHARGE Schw Dwa Leg)
-[X] 108th Elv Hsr: CHARGE 1st Roy Vol Lan, then MOVE to windmill
-[X] 13th Hob Lan: CHARGE enemy HQ, then MOVE to Village 2SE of target
-[X] 84th Elv Art: FIRE HM's 2nd Elv Hsr
-[X] 5th Hob H. Art: FIRE HM's 2nd Elv Hsr
-[X] HQ: SUPPLY 5th Hob H. Art
Final version of my plan now that vote is open. I feel pretty confident here given that the enemy only has five units that can do more than rest this turn. Just need to pray that we finally get a non-shit roll against the 2nd Hussars, really.
Two major changes from the draft: 1 is as EagerListener pointed out I'm having the 16th charge the dwarves instead of the Halflings. The other is I realized that since we're not routing the 1st Elv Vol on the fire phase, they won't move out of the way for the 55th to reach the dwarves before charges resolve, so I went ahead and simplified that order down to the conditional secondary one. It's not the most efficient use of attacks, but the purpose (like charging with the 16th) is to get the positioning I want and still get an attack in.
If anyone wants to propose an edition of this plan where the 55th attempts to charge the 2nd RVL instead, I wouldn't vote for it, but I wouldn't argue too hard against it. I just think actually catching them is a longshot.
EDIT: after a moment's consideration, I reversed the conditional on the 55th's order instead of removing it. This way they still do something useful if the 1st Elv Vol starts manually retreating for whatever reason.
-[X] 200th Hob: REST
-[X] 72nd Hum: ATTACK Heid Dwa Leg
-[X] 148th Hum: ATTACK Heid Dwa Leg
-[X] 42nd Elv: ATTACK Schw Dwa Leg
-[X] 45th Elv: REST
-[X] 16th Half: CHARGE Heid Dwa Leg
-[X] 19th Half Pfd: CHARGE 1st Elv Vol
-[X] 28th Half Pfd: FIRE Heid Dwa Leg
-[X] 55th Elv Hsr: CHARGE 1st Elv Vol (if impossible, CHARGE Schw Dwa Leg)
-[X] 108th Elv Hsr: CHARGE 1st Roy Vol Lan, then MOVE to windmill
-[X] 13th Hob Lan: CHARGE enemy HQ, then MOVE to Village 2SE of target
-[X] 84th Elv Art: FIRE HM's 2nd Elv Hsr
-[X] 5th Hob H. Art: FIRE HM's 2nd Elv Hsr
-[X] HQ: SUPPLY 5th Hob H. Art
Final version of my plan now that vote is open. I feel pretty confident here given that the enemy only has five units that can do more than rest this turn. Just need to pray that we finally get a non-shit roll against the 2nd Hussars, really.
Two major changes from the draft: 1 is as EagerListener pointed out I'm having the 16th charge the dwarves instead of the Halflings. The other is I realized that since we're not routing the 1st Elv Vol on the fire phase, they won't move out of the way for the 55th to reach the dwarves before charges resolve, so I went ahead and simplified that order down to the conditional secondary one. It's not the most efficient use of attacks, but the purpose (like charging with the 16th) is to get the positioning I want and still get an attack in.
If anyone wants to propose an edition of this plan where the 55th attempts to charge the 2nd RVL instead, I wouldn't vote for it, but I wouldn't argue too hard against it. I just think actually catching them is a longshot.
EDIT: after a moment's consideration, I reversed the conditional on the 55th's order instead of removing it. This way they still do something useful if the 1st Elv Vol starts manually retreating for whatever reason.
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In the mechanic it says that ranged attack against this unit have disadvantage, it doesn't apply when attacking.
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Question, what do we do if one of our human units Routs, opening the way to our artillery?
Similar question, what do we do if the 2nd Hussars stay in the area and aren't routed?
Similar question, what do we do if the 2nd Hussars stay in the area and aren't routed?
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If the 148th routs, the enemy has no means to exploit the gap, and we can rotate another unit in to fill its place next turn.
In that case, we're kind of screwed.
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Believe in the 85% odds I guess.
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It does apply when we're attacking halflings, though. Both units are halflings.
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If the 148th routs, the enemy has no means to exploit the gap, and we can rotate another unit in to fill its place next turn.
In that case, we're kind of screwed.
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Believe in the 85% odds I guess.
Why not charge them too, then? Because even if they don't make it, it'll leave a unit in place that can move to try to intercept an attack by the enemy cavalry?
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Because I'd rather have a unit in place to surround the enemy infantry I want to capture, and frankly, if they're smart and start pulling the Lancers back the way they came, the Hussars aren't going to catch up to them.
Again, though, like I said, if someone wants to make a version of the plan where the 55th tries to charge the 2RVL, I won't argue too hard against it, I just think putting them in the central scrap is more valuable.
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For the 55th hussars wouldn't it be better to say instead of (if impossible, CHARGE Schw Dwa Leg), say that if impossible or the 1st Elv Vol routs then we charge the Schw Dwa. Since if the 19th routs the 1st Elv Vol then I don't think we want the our hussars attacking the routed elves instead the dwarfs.
For the 55th hussars wouldn't it be better to say instead of (if impossible, CHARGE Schw Dwa Leg), say that if impossible or the 1st Elv Vol routs then we charge the Schw Dwa. Since if the 19th routs the 1st Elv Vol then I don't think we want the our hussars attacking the routed elves instead the dwarfs.
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If they don't rout next turn we will have the 5th, 200th and 45th that can be thrown against them, though it would be bad because either them attacking our hq or the 5th is bad.
I am still unsure if doing ready fire 200m with the 5th is best because of that, if they don't charge us we expect to win this or next round anyway so the missed damage isn't that important.
If we do we want to move the HQ west so they are forced to run into the guns to reach the VIPs
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I have two questions about this:
Can we decide when to do the free action or is the order fixed like in the rules change log where it's the thing that happens first?
And what's the goal with moving halfway back into the forest? I am assuming that we want to charge them forward to surround the Dwarves next turn anyway
Another problem with charging the 2nd hussars with the 55th is that they probably want to move away east after whatever they do this turn, which would mean the 55th runs empty
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Please refer to my comment where I finalized the plan for my reasoning on this, but tl;dr it starts with "if the Elves rout, they're not going to move before they get charged"
Quoting the text of the Rapid trait:
I interpreted "Always" as "at any point in the unit's actions", but Photo can clarify that because it's admittedly not clear.
1) I forgot that it would take 2 move to get into the forest so I guess whatever I was going to say for point 2 is moot. I guess I'll remove that.
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That was my initial thought too but in the rules revision free actions are put as first place in order resolution:
I think I was a bit unclear by what I meant (I also didn't know that routed units move later) which was also if the Elves rout we could have the hussars move on top of them to charge the Schw Dwa. It would disorganize them for next turn but I hope by that point it wouldn't really matter.
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Like, if we did want to charge with the 16th, by the way, what I would do is move the HQ either East or West to use as a blocking element/get it out of the way and then, if the 'free move' can go into routed territory, just use that to block off a charge that would make the enemy unable to reach 5th Artillery easily.
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You can take the free action move later in am Unit's turn if you like, it just can be resolved at the very beginning of the round if so inclined.