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NX class. We gave it a machine shop, and yes I consider machine shops and cargo space to be part of a military design because our operational zones are the better part of the a year away from our facilities. The ability to conduct more expansive repairs and carry greater supplies when fighting 6-8 months away from repair and supply facilities is logistics in action.
Which is why I am voting for the half saucer. The agility and speed of the arrowhead, with the volume to take systems that will ease their logistics burden and enable them to forward deploy and operate in Romulan space for longer periods at higher readiness levels.
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CubicAppalac
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Of course. I mean, every war that humanity has ever fought with itself should have taught us that you never leave ships without escorts... or without enough escorts. I get the want to go full-Saucer, but I'm thinking we should begin distinguishing how our warships look in comparison to our regular ships, and a more angular design does it in my head.
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That's what phasers are, and to a lesser extent the phase cannons we currently have. They're just also powerful enough to engage other ships directly.
Dual-purpose guns, if you need the analogy.
One starfleet has never had any ships permanently stationed at earth in the future no matter how many times it's attacked which is why I think they would due something stupid
I am not worried about it not being escorted at least during the war I'm worried about the romulans distracting or destroying it's escorts while a group of cloaked ships uncloak and attack it from behind
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CubicAppalac
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Thanks, I'm not as familiar with Trek lore as I'd like. I've always viewed Phasers as the kind of... main cannons of the ships, if you will.
Saucer is winning, arrowhead is basically out. For those who want something other than the classic saucer, I suggest switching to a half saucer vote.
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Well, there goes the idea of distinguishing our purpose-built warships with our normal ships. I'm keeping my vote as is, though. I think it'd be a bit dishonest.
Edit: Unless we could have Half-Saucers be the design for military ships ala the Stingray, but that's a bit constricting in my opinion.
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Half saucer is actually more unique for Star Trek than Arrowhead I think. The Prometheus is very famous and there are at least 2 arrowhead designs in Canon from this period. Half saucer on the other hand only had one example that I know of, the Intrepid class (what we named the Stingray).
And there's nothing dishonest about changing your vote in this kind of quest.
Huu i did not consider it from that angle fair!
Just place the Half saucer hull vote below your arrowhead vote(means both get a vote) that is what I did as I want anything but full saucer.
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For the first section, sure. I was thinking that the arrowhead design would've been angular, with sharp lines and stuff. But if half-saucers are more unique then I'm fine with them.
And second, I'll just edit it to where I'll also vote half-saucer.
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She will fly straight to Romulus, end the war, and then fly back to Earth to rest in a museum once the Romulans are no longer a threat.
[X] Arrowhead
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Might as well.
[X] Half-Saucer
Might as well.
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Excellent, we always wanted to change history!
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This is flat-out wrong, the Borg in Best of Both Worlds were met with an armada at a star system within spitting distance of Sol that consisted in large part of the Sector 001 fleet, and then once they blew past that with elements remaining in the Sol system. Then in First Contact they were again met by the home fleet in Earth orbit. The Breen knocked out the home fleet in their attack on San Francisco with the same out-of-context weapons they used on the planet. In Picard the fleet is supposedly all gathered to Earth (never mind that this is incongruent with what it showed us previously of the fleet - call it the sector fleet if you like). Utopia Planetia Fleet Yards and Spacedock One are in the Sol system and have complements of ships.
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Half saucer as the purposely built military design would make sense. I'll give it a boost.
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I don't see how putting guns in the aft arc would actually prevent that.
If they have enough ships decloak at once, being able to shoot down one or two of them after they fire won't keep the ship alive any better.
If it's about deterrence, aft arc weapons won't do anything that escort ships wouldn't also do.
The only thing that might save it is shields/ a stronger hull, and for that they would just bring more ships to compensate.
If we want to avoid that scenario, what we really need is sensor tech we don't have yet.
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We were asked for both, and got to choose whichever seemed more fun for the players as our starting project. You'll note we were asked to fill the other role afterwards.
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dear god if you have to make a giant, slow ass ship at least give it full coverage with more guns than is safe or sane so it can defend itself from the enemy fleet that has cloaks
dear god if you have to make a giant, slow ass ship at least give it full coverage with more guns than is safe or sane so it can defend itself from the enemy fleet that has cloaks
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I'd like to be able to see a rough mockup of the production costs and general effectiveness of the various hull shapes, just to get more of a feel for what might be the most economic ship while retaining effectiveness. Granted, I'm aware that it's not going to happen based on the way the quest works, but proposing multiple designs and comparing them is how actual design bureaus probably work.
I believe arrowhead would be the option of choice for those who wanted to produce as many ships as possible, which was a large talking point in the last vote, whereas half-saucer would be a good generalist design for a combat ship.
I'm not going to lie, I'm very disinclined to go for the saucers, not just in this instance but also in general. Saucers are the default option, and I believe that it would behoove us to lean more into a wide and varied design philosophy rather than staying with a one-size-fits-all approach.
I believe arrowhead would be the option of choice for those who wanted to produce as many ships as possible, which was a large talking point in the last vote, whereas half-saucer would be a good generalist design for a combat ship.
I'm not going to lie, I'm very disinclined to go for the saucers, not just in this instance but also in general. Saucers are the default option, and I believe that it would behoove us to lean more into a wide and varied design philosophy rather than staying with a one-size-fits-all approach.
Considering that IRL, we tend to adopt extremely similar form factors for same roles, that strikes me more as for asthetics rather than it does for any production reasons.