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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Oneiros said:
The amount isn't scary because we're basically certain to pass all of our checks except 4SoP.
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And uhhhh RRBs. It's still just 2 rolls on 1 FP which is doable IMO but not exactly ideal. I don't love it but I really don't want to not do sealing. I'm conflicted here. If we die I'm gonna feel real dumb.
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@Sir Stompy, here is a modified version that includes the change requested by LHM and JC. Either this one or the one I posted above works for me!
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Sir Stompy said:
[X] Action Plan: Building Favor
Words: 299
  • Optimize with Mari, Kei, and Noburi
  • Goketsu Meeting:
    • Ask Asuma and Ino their thoughts without saying specifics
    • Before meeting, encourage Mari to share her ninjutsu.
      • Half the clan has Lightning Element.
      • Could share the techniques she gave the Tower.
    • Meeting:
      • Demanding they surrender their jutsu without prior discussion was a mistake.
      • Hazou withheld nothing useable during the war
        • Only diagnostic seals and unsharable state secrets.
      • After Akane's death, Hazou is reconsidering OPSEC on his new seals
        • Distribute improved Rocket Boots
          • Expect more seals soon
      • KEI justu issue will come up for every clan.
        • Goketsu are influential. What we decide could set precedent.
        • What do they want? What issues do they see? Do they have ideas? You want something that works for everyone - them included.
        • Encourage them to ruminate; you don't need an answer immediately.
  • Take bandit clearing missions directly from Asuma.
    • Summon low-cost Dogs for tracking
    • Suggest ANBU escort, if Asuma thinks it wise
    • Think "For Jashin!" while killing bandits
  • Talk with Noburi
    • Would you be willing to take a break from the hospital?
      • We need the tenketsu opening surgery for necromancy, can you begin researching it?
        • Suggest experimenting on chakra beasts
      • Encourage him to finish Orochimaru's notes
  • Offscreen
    • Do purification rituals, attend religious sermons and festivals, be seen
    • Attend clan head training.
    • Begin advising Sasha.
    • Trade for Harumitsu's Cold Seal.
    • Have Mari explore acquiring paper-controlling ninjutsu
  • Sealing
    • SC test Rocket Boots with MARS.
      • Multiple RBs simultaneously
      • Atypical locations (elbows, palms, etc.)
    • SC SSA: MS8.1 Anchoring. Full prep
    • Prime SSA: Reusable Rocket Boots. Full prep
      • Improve the seal until it challenges stagnation
      • Aim for six uses, and then boost the bonus as much as possible
    • Non-SSA SC
      • Full prep 4FSoP
      • Research (and use!) Dampeners
      • Substitution, Cold Seal, Electrocution, Twin Repulsion
      • Abort difficult seals, don't risk failures
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FaintlySorcerous said:
[X] Action Plan: Building Favor

I have a few minor thoughts but I'm happy to vote for this as is, and then advocate for speaking with Yuno later.

(If you're interested in a Yuno conversation please let me know so we can plot about it.)
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If you're still around feel free to share your thoughts. I'll be active for a short time and then lock this for good.
 
[X] Training Plan: Kei Deceit 20 -> 23 (-66 XP)

[X] Training Plan - Noburi: Mednin 40 -> 43 (126 XP)

[X][Aburame] Spend 1 day per month making telescopes. (+50% production)

[X][Hyūga] Finalize the deal: Hazō will provide them with sapphire and diamond only, in exchange for a healthy income stream.
 
Sir Stompy said:
  • Optimize with Mari, Kei, and Noburi
  • Goketsu Meeting:
    • Ask Asuma and Ino their thoughts without getting into specifics
    • Before meeting, encourage Mari to share ninjutsu.
      • Half the clan has Lightning Element.
      • Could share techniques she gave to the Tower
    • Meeting:
      • Demanding they surrender their jutsu without prior discussion was a mistake.
      • Hazou withheld nothing they could use during the war.
        • Some diagnostic seals, and nothing else.
      • After Akane's death, Hazou is reconsidering OPSEC on his new seals
        • Distribute improved Rocket Boots
          • Expect more seals to come soon
      • KEI justu issue will come up for every clan.
        • Goketsu are influential. What we decide could set precedent.
        • What do they want? What issues do they see? Do they have ideas? You want something that works for everyone - them included.
        • Encourage them to ruminate: you don't need an answer immediately.
  • Take bandit clearing missions direct from Asuma.
    • Summon low-cost Dogs to help track
    • Suggest ANBU escort, if Asuma thinks it wise
    • Think "For Jashin!" while killing bandits
  • Talk with Noburi
    • Would you be willing to take a break from the hospital?
      • We need the tenketsu opening surgery for necromancy, can you begin researching it?
        • Suggest experimenting on chakra beasts
      • Encourage him to finish Orochimaru's notes
  • Offscreen
    • Do purification rituals, attend religious sermons and festivals, be seen
    • Attend clan head training.
    • Begin advising Sasha.
    • Trade for Harumitsu's Cold Seal.
  • Sealing
    • SC test Rocket Boots with MARS.
      • Multiple RBs simultaneously
      • Atypical locations (elbows, palms, etc.)
    • SC SSA: MS8.1 Anchoring. Full prep
    • Prime SSA: Reusable Rocket Boots. Full prep
      • Improve the seal until it challenges stagnation
      • Aim for six uses, and then boost the bonus as much as possible
    • Non-SSA SC
      • Full prep 4FSoP
      • Research Dampeners and use them
      • Substitution, Cold Seal, Electrocution, Twin Repulsion
      • Abort difficult seals, do not risk failures
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As mentioned, some edits to this. I saved a few words and adjusted a few things to flow better.

One major addition is Hazo apologizing to his aggrieved clanmates. Saying he made a mistake without apologizing hits my ear wrong. That section in general got some tweaks and it hits the tone I was going for a bit harder, but that's the tone I wanted, not necessarily the one you'll want.
  • Optimize with Mari, Kei, Noburi.
  • Aggrieved clanmates:
    • Before meeting...
      • Ask Asuma/Ino their thoughts without discussing specifics.
      • Encourage Mari to share jutsu.
        • Half the clan has Lightning Element.
        • Has she shared all the techniques she gave the Tower?
    • Tone: open, calm, consultative.
    • Demanding their jutsu without discussion was a mistake. We want to do better. We're sorry.
    • That said, we withheld nothing they could use during the war.
      • Some diagnostic seals, techniques they couldn't use (due to national security). Nothing else.
      • After Akane's death, we're reconsidering seal OPSEC.
        • Distribute improved Rocket Boots.
        • Expect more seals soon.
    • KEI jutsu issue will arise for every clan.
      • Goketsu are influential. Our policies could set precedent.
      • What do they want? What issues do they see? Do they have ideas? Hazou wants something that works for everyone - them included.
      • Encourage them to ruminate: we don't need an answer immediately.
    • His door's always open if they want to talk.
  • Take bandit clearing missions, direct from Asuma.
    • Does we need ANBU escorts?
    • Summon low-cost tracking Dogs.
    • Mentally dedicate kills to Jashin.
  • Noburi:
    • Would he consider scaling back his hospital work?
      • We need the tenketsu opening procedure for necromancy. Can he do some research?
        • Suggest experimenting on chakra beasts.
      • Encourage him to finish Orochimaru's notes.
  • Misc.:
    • Publicly/visibly perform purification rituals/attend religious services.
    • Attend Asuma's lessons regularly.
    • Begin advising Sasha.
    • Trade for Harumitsu's Cold Seal.
  • Sealing:
    • SC test Rocket Boots with MARS.
      • Multiple RBs simultaneously
      • Atypical locations (elbows, palms, etc.)
    • SC SSA: MS8.1 Anchoring. Full prep
    • Prime SSA: Reusable Rocket Boots. Full prep
      • Improve the seal until it challenges stagnation
      • Aim for six uses, and then boost the bonus as much as possible
    • Non-SSA SC
      • Full prep 4FSoP
      • Research and use Dampeners.
      • Substitution, Cold Seal, Electrocution, Twin Repulsion
      • Abort difficult seals. Don't risk failure.
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Sir Stompy said:
And uhhhh RRBs. It's still just 2 rolls on 1 FP which is doable IMO but not exactly ideal. I don't love it but I really don't want to not do sealing. I'm conflicted here. If we die I'm gonna feel real dumb.


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If you're still around feel free to share your thoughts. I'll be active for a short time and then lock this for good.
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Then we should vote in a plan to buy FP with XP. Just add it to your action plan.

Otherwise, do things other than RRB.
 
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[x] [Estate] Links

I don't think we should lock in with this many votes, but it would not be unreasonable for the QMs to call for a binding vote on this topic soon.
 
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MadScientist said:
Oh, are we doing these again?

[x] [Estate] Links
?/300 words
  • Kei/Mari/Gaku check all:
  • Design
    • Blend design elements from other clan compounds to represent the links to Leaf we have so far:
      • Uchiha, representing Hazou's ancestors.
      • Nara, representing Kei's marriage to Shikamaru.
      • Senju, representing Jiraiya's teammate (and Noburi's maybe-apprenticeship, but that's still early days).
      • Orochimaru's compound (he might feel slighted if we ref Tsunade but not him).
      • Sarutobi, representing Jiraiya's sensei.
      • Yamanaka, representing Hazou/Akane's relationship with Ino.
      • Our business partners, maybe?
        • Aburame
        • Hyuuga
    • Architects are also encouraged to invent creative and modern design elements — we're a research clan, after all.
    • Hire Shikamaru-recommended KEI-architects from NFF.
  • Construction
    • Hazou creates quartz for highlights.
    • Add gold filigree to important buildings.
    • Mosaics where appropriate.
  • Details
    • Hide Koi pond for FOOM OPSEC training.
    • Bathhouses.
      • Add waterslides. Archimedes screw, or tapped raised water-tank, to provide water-flow.
    • Great Hall suitable for larger (1000+ person) events.
      • Decorate with huge dragon skeleton carving.
      • Relief carvings of the summon clans we're contracted with. Leave space for future clans.
    • Cafeteria.
    • School/library.
    • Clinic/Mental Health Offices
    • Connect up the aqueduct we built, and the sewers in preparation for when they're ready for deployment.
    • Gardens/Greenhouses for Phytosealing Botanical Gardens to come (phytosealing intentions are kept secret — as far as the architects are concerned, it's a normal botanical gardens).
      • Statue of Hashirama with unique plants flourishing from his ninjutsu.
      • Add fruit trees to supplement food supply.
    • ES relief carvings that resemble 2D/3D sealing on surfaces to hide real seals in the noise.
    • Subterranean complex.
      • Civilian evac shelters.
    • Lampposts.
      • Statues holding daybright seals?
    • Monument to the Lost [Temporarily in Another Path].
    • Statues.
      • Jiraiya colossus.
      • Other Gouketsu VIPs (incl Gaku, hehe)
        • Gouketsu civilian engineers
      • Hazou's Uchiha ancestors pre-Kurosawa split (ask Sasuke for help).
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Paperclipped said:
Yes, Hazō will fulfill his agreements without player intervention, provided that it's possible for him to do so. For example, if you decide for him to leave the village for a month then obviously he won't be able to do his part and he will default. If the QMs remember the issue in advance then we might throw out a "Hey, don't forget X" before the plan goes into effect, but it's ultimately on the players. If we don't think of it before the plan goes through / Hazō leaves and then we remember later, we will write the appropriate outcomes from Hazō forgetting and won't feel guilty about the lack of advance warning.
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Then it sounds like the solution is to order Gaku to remind us of our obligations daily, and to ensure we are always 2 months ahead of our sealing/jutsu obligations as a buffer against defaulting. Much like a real-life CEO who is busy has their assistant remind them in advance of approaching deadlines.

Does anyone want to add that to a plan as a thing we tell Gaku to do (and for Hazou to comply with by making them in advance)?

Also, for seals, it would seem really silly for Hazou to ever default since he can make a seal perfectly with one hand using the Iron Nerve while otherwise doing other work that doesn't involve that hand - he literally just needs 5 minutes. So if he's sitting at his desk reading a report from Gaku for 15 minutes, boom, 3 seals done. This is an objective advantage he has over all other seal masters when it comes to simply mass producing seals. Given the Akane Seal Bank, he should probably be doing that for some basic seals already.

He would be seen as insane by other sealmasters to risk making seals like that, but his seals would all be perfect so the perceived insanity will change to awe and it'll just increase his reputation as being a Jaraiya level sealmaster who can eat toast and make a seal at the same time. It may even create a sealing-related intimidation tag. I think there was an Omake similar to that, but it can be made real.

But let us say Hazou, while at home, eats for 30 minutes every day (total between all meals). Over a span of 16 days of normal living he could make a full day's worth of seals without without having to dedicate any extra time blocks to that task. Given the amount of desk-work he has as Clan Head, it really should not be an issue to nonchalantly produce thousands of seals at essentially zero effort or extra time being used.

The Iron Nerve is kinda busted given how powerful sealing is, both in general and economically.
 
Ipsos Custodes said:
Then it sounds like the solution is to order Gaku to remind us of our obligations daily, and to ensure we are always 2 months ahead of our sealing/jutsu obligations as a buffer against defaulting. Much like a real-life CEO who is busy has their assistant remind them in advance of approaching deadlines.

Does anyone want to add that to a plan as a thing we tell Gaku to do (and for Hazou to comply with by making them in advance)?

Also, for seals, it would seem really silly for Hazou to ever default since he can make a seal perfectly with one hand using the Iron Nerve while otherwise doing other work that doesn't involve that hand - he literally just needs 5 minutes. So if he's sitting at his desk reading a report from Gaku for 15 minutes, boom, 3 seals done. This is an objective advantage he has over all other seal masters when it comes to simply mass producing seals. Given the Akane Seal Bank, he should probably be doing that for some basic seals already.

He would be seen as insane by other sealmasters to risk making seals like that, but his seals would all be perfect so the perceived insanity will change to awe and it'll just increase his reputation as being a Jaraiya level sealmaster who can eat toast and make a seal at the same time. It may even create a sealing-related intimidation tag. I think there was an Omake similar to that, but it can be made real.

But let us say Hazou, while at home, eats for 30 minutes every day (total between all meals). Over a span of 16 days of normal living he could make a full day's worth of seals without without having to dedicate any extra time blocks to that task. Given the amount of desk-work he has as Clan Head, it really should not be an issue to nonchalantly produce thousands of seals at essentially zero effort or extra time being used.

The Iron Nerve is kinda busted given how powerful sealing is, both in general and economically.
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Isn't this gaku thing basically just forcing the qm to remember or giving an auto pass if the player forgets?

This basically violates the "it's ultimately on the player" rule that the qm is implementing on the issue.
 
Sir Stompy said:
[X] Action Plan: Building Favor
Words: 299
  • Optimize with Mari, Kei, Noburi.
  • Aggrieved clanmates:
    • Pre-meeting...
      • Ask Asuma/Ino their thoughts without discussing specifics.
      • Encourage Mari to share her jutsu.
        • Half the clan has Lightning Element.
        • Would she share the techniques she gave the Tower?
    • Tone: open, calm, consultative.
    • Demanding their jutsu without discussion was a mistake. We want to do better. We're sorry.
    • That said, we withheld nothing they could use during the war.
      • Some diagnostic seals, techniques they couldn't use (per state secrets). Nothing else.
      • After Akane's death, we're reconsidering seal OPSEC.
        • Distribute improved Rocket Boots.
        • Expect more seals soon.
    • Every clan will have KEI jutsu issues
      • Goketsu are influential. Our policies could set precedent.
      • What do they want? What issues do they see? Do they have ideas? Hazou wants something that works for everyone - them included.
      • Encourage rumination: we don't need an answer immediately.
    • His door's always open if they want to talk.
  • Take bandit clearing missions, direct from Asuma.
    • Do we need ANBU escort?
    • Summon low-cost tracking Dogs.
    • Mentally dedicate kills to Jashin.
  • Noburi:
    • Would he consider scaling back his hospital work?
      • We need the tenketsu opening procedure for necromancy. Can he do some research?
        • Suggest experimenting on chakra beasts.
      • Encourage him to finish Orochimaru's notes.
  • Offscreen:
    • Publicly/visibly perform purification rituals/attend religious services.
    • Attend Asuma's lessons regularly.
    • Begin advising Sasha.
    • Trade for Harumitsu's Cold Seal.
    • Have Mari explore acquiring paper-controlling ninjutsu
  • Sealing:
    • SC test Rocket Boots with MARS.
      • Multiple RBs simultaneously
      • Atypical locations (elbows, palms, etc.)
    • SC SSA: MS8.1 Anchoring. Full prep
    • Prime SSA: Reusable Rocket Boots. Full prep
      • Improve the seal until it challenges stagnation
      • Aim for six uses, and then boost the bonus as much as possible
    • Non-SSA SC
      • Full prep 4FSoP
      • Research and use Dampeners.
      • Substitution, Cold Seal, Electrocution, Twin Repulsion
      • Abort difficult seals. Don't risk failure.
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Not sure exactly how it came together, but this plan is truly a masterclass in wordcount optimization. An incredible amount of content and detail, without sacrificing clarity, all under 300 words.

Also, researching 8 seals at once? Now THIS is podracing.
 
Paperclipped said:
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  • Distribute their earned XP among the PCs as desired (e.g. if the audit generates 4 XP then you could assign it 2 to Noburi and 2 to Akane), or;
  • Spend 5 audit-generated XP to award +1 FP to a PC of their choice. Note the better-than-normal exchange rate.
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Oh shoot, I forgot about this. Do you mind if I move 5 of the XP I got into an FP on Hazou? @eaglejarl @Velorien
 
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acidshill said:
Estate plan rules and my previous commentary for reference.

[X][Estate] A Good Foundation
Word Count: 296
  • Optimize with Mari, Kei, Snowflake, Gaku
  • Design
    • Inner compound to house Gouketsu ninja, host guests, protect archives and treasures
      • High-quality materials, decoration and ornamentation, tastefully showcase Gouketsu wealth
        • Decorate interiors with calligraphic specimens produced by Gouketsu sealmasters during calligraphy practice
      • Should be able to (once properly trapped) slow down attackers long enough to call reinforcements or escape
        • Consult with Kagome
        • Disguise this to the extent possible
      • Construct buildings out of stone, primarily Great-Seal-style feldspar
        • Avoid unaltered MEW granite or anything else ugly
        • Send GS-feldspar sample to Orochimaru, tell him we made it with ES, but it's ordinary rock, not infusable
      • Make room for future underground construction
      • Reference Leaf architectural traditions, without slavishly imitating them
      • Art paying homage to Toads, Dogs, and Spiders
      • Plentiful gardens
        • Request Ino's advice about language/subculture of plant choice
        • Include statues of Leaf's fallen heroes, holding daybright seals aloft
    • Civilian district surrounding inner compound
      • Well-built, but not extravagant
      • Designed to affordably house many civllians
      • Build as much as needed for clan's current population, with room for future expansion
      • Rooftops well-suited for ninja traversal
    • Outskirts of property contain private spaces for training
    • Build in flexibility to do future additions and modifications
    • Hire architect recommended by Shikamaru, possibly affiliated with NFF
      • Pay them to take on a Gouketsu civilian as an apprentice, if suitable candidate can be found
      • Possibly offer adoption
  • Construction
    • Hire construction crews recommended by Shikamaru or KEI, possibly affiliated with NFF
    • Encourage them to employ Gouketsu civilians, teach them construction skills
      • Goal is eventually we can do maintenance and expansions entirely in-house
      • Possibly adopt some of the builders
  • Details
    • Lampposts
    • Paved streets
    • Bathhouses
    • Hidden koi pond
    • Clinic
    • School
    • Library
    • Monument to the fallen
    • Event building
    • Aqueduct
    • Sewers, once engineers know how to build them
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[X][Estate] A Good Foundation
 
Paperclipped said:
Dampener: Without 5SB, Hazō has no reference of "spatial locking" to try to adapt here. However, he could try to make the brush simply resist motion, increasing its inertia. While sealmasters already use correctly weighted brushes (heavy enough to resist hand tremors, light enough to maximize precision), Hazō tries to design a seal that would cause the attached object to very lightly resist motion – reducing hand tremors while minimizing loss of precision for seal elements. This would allow him to use a lighter brush and be slightly more precise. The difficulty of this seal is "genin".
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