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Man Hazō's time is shockingly undervalued.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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[X][Aburame] Spend 1 day per month making telescopes. (+50% production)
[X][Hyūga] Finalize the deal: Hazō will provide them with sapphire and diamond only, in exchange for a healthy income stream.
As for primordial sealing I'm in favor of using it for Project Don't Die To Dragons. Considering how stressed Hazō's schedule has been I don't really want to find new ways to spend his time unless it turns out to be necessary.
[X][Hyūga] Finalize the deal: Hazō will provide them with sapphire and diamond only, in exchange for a healthy income stream.
As for primordial sealing I'm in favor of using it for Project Don't Die To Dragons. Considering how stressed Hazō's schedule has been I don't really want to find new ways to spend his time unless it turns out to be necessary.
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Correct. If you want to frame it another way, she's asking for Hazō & Kagome to do 24 days worth of relatively easy, low-stakes work that doesn't take them out of the village, in exchange for her doing up to 30 days worth of potentially dangerous work that does take her out of the village.
Yep -- or any other things that you want to check. It's possible that Hazō/Kagome can't figure out how to collect the relevant information, in which case they'll just scrap those parts.
Potentially! So far, the extent of Hazō's collaboration with a Technique Hacker has been screening a small section of the notes past Asuma. It's not impossible that an extended collaboration bears fruit.
About that much.
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Can it be assumed that Hazō will take SC hours every month to work on his various deals, or are we going to have to actively vote those things in? It's hard to keep track of what day of the month (or even what month it is) chapter to chapter.
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Yes, Hazō will fulfill his agreements without player intervention, provided that it's possible for him to do so. For example, if you decide for him to leave the village for a month then obviously he won't be able to do his part and he will default. If the QMs remember the issue in advance then we might throw out a "Hey, don't forget X" before the plan goes into effect, but it's ultimately on the players. If we don't think of it before the plan goes through / Hazō leaves and then we remember later, we will write the appropriate outcomes from Hazō forgetting and won't feel guilty about the lack of advance warning.
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Replace Hazō and Shino crunching the numbers with me crunching the numbers. The comparison is to the other thing Hazō would be doing do earn money -- scribing skywalkers.
Couldn't he take commissions for novel seals? I think that's worth potentially 10s of millions of ryo for each one.
Based on how much the MARI guy charges to invent new jutsu.
Or teach new sealmasters. Also something he could charge millions of ryo for.
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Did she not also request that Hazō also do that work?
Also, comparing the amount of time spent instead of the value of the goods exchanged is a disingenuous way to phrase it. As an extreme example, twelve hours of a surgeon's time is worth way more than than twelve hours of a cashier's time (since you could easily substitute the labor of the cashier with someone else). Trades are always based on the valuation of the goods or services being exchanged, not solely on the time the services entails. A Clan Head like Ino would absolutely operate like this.
We are going to be paying her for that mission, so what we're really purchasing is her forfeit of the scroll and a guarantee that she'll make herself available for it. Both valuable things, to be sure, but not nearly at the level of over two and a half thousand Goo Bomb seals which each can allow even one of her weakest genin to hit well above their weight class.
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If this is something you want, it should be specified.
I'm also not sure how you would adequately pay her: the pay for a mission is based on the danger and the potential rewards. She's relinquishing her claim, so are we paying strictly for the danger? In that case, are we paying for a month-long A-rank mission? At the going rates for a clan head? That's bonkers.
It's a good swap - a month of her time doing something dangerous for less than a month of our time doing something not-dangerous, plus reputation rehabilitation.
The deal gets even better when you consider the fact that her time is a scarce resource compared to ours - not only can we push things off to Kagome if necessary, we'll be using Shadow Clone and we can parcel our work for her out in fits and starts. She needs to commit to being out of the village for a long time.
Put another way - what do you think the exchange rate for Ino-hour and Hazo-hours should be? I honestly think that 1:1 would be pretty fair.
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How disruptive is an inturuption? If we go an a 2-week mission 5 months in, are we back to square one?
If Enma or another monkey is anywhere near a dog, is there any reason not to continue having our meetings on the 7th path?
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Potentially-final updates.
@Velorien and @Paperclipped, does anything seem un(der)specified or difficult to write?
@Shrooms, @_The_Bomb, @RandomOTP, @Twinnstars, would you take a look? I've either talked with you about things here or you were big on 4FSoP which is now included.
@Velorien and @Paperclipped, does anything seem un(der)specified or difficult to write?
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[X] Action Plan: Mending Fences
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Relatively speaking, how much more money is it to do Asuma's 4FoP research mission than to spend that time scribing SkyWalkers?
She also requested that our Clan Head also accompany her on that mission. We will spend an equal amount of time as her on that mission plus 24 days, instead of, say, having Noburi and Yuno lead that mission and Hazō only spending 24 days scribing seals.
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Don't like it? Don't vote for it. Either way, don't imply QMs are being dishonest.
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I'll be honest, and i don't like to say it, but i think Ino is taking advantage of us.
Giving up Goo Bombs to genin is already, by itself something unvaluable that no clan would accept: you're rolling the dice on losing your clan secret with the worse possible odds. She is then doing a relatively normal deal, lopsided or not depending the current skills involved, but ignoring that crucial point.( An example would be KEI overpricing the academy ticket for breaking a tradition).
It is our fault for expecting her to not take advantage of our, frankly put, not really well put offer(For various and understandable reasons, one of which is the fact that we have a massive blindspot for emotional closeness), but i hoped she would recognize the imbalance and try to play fair and correct it, instead of being quiet and hoping we couldn't catch it.
I'm somewhat disappointed in her, while i understand that she is limited in what she can offer without breaking her priorities to her clan.
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I wrote the plan that was implemented.
Ah, apologies. That was not my intent at all. I'm trying to say that for a good faith negotiation like this one, Ino would be using different logic than you are currently modeling. I apologize for any poor choice of wording on my part that implied I was accusing the QMs of being dishonest.
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Unfortunately I think it's been mentioned goo bombs aren't clan secret afaik (to the point Jiraiya was distributing them to literal missingnin)
I don't think this is what happened tbh.
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Could we ask Kagome for help with RRB, just to be safe?
I feel we always get fixiated on the technicalities(It's treason, it's not treason, it's or it's not clan secret), without dealing with the actual core, what the people IC think and why they think so.
It's doesn't really matter if it's a Clan secret or not, what matter is that it's a competitive advantage that we have and other people don't and the risks we incur by giving said advantages away exist, and Ino knows it. She recognized the value of obtaining Goo Bombs by asking us to buy them, after all.
Unless i'm missing something and a good amount of sealmasters in Leaf knows Goo Bombs.