If they're disgruntled this tips our hand to an unnecessary degree IMO."Shadow Clone is a national secret. Sorry I can't tell you more." Pretty easy IMO. And I'd expect that they already know this. Shadow clone is publicly known, a la Naruto, but everyone also knows the particulars are need-to-know, and Hazou is a known SC user.
The part that matters to me is whether or not we are saying Hazou deliberately deceived her somehow. Anything that implies we did, I do not support. I do not think Hazou did this deliberately, I think it's slightly more arguable he did it accidentally (and still imo he did not.) But he can think on their talk more and tell her he has more to say just to make sure they're on the same page.E: to articulate my thoughts on the Yuno thing, my read is that if Hazo said 'hey just to clarify this is what I actually meant' I would expect a lot more damage and pushback than if we say 'I'm sorry I wasn't sufficiently transparent and forthright with you'. We definitely didn't make it clear that our relationship with Jashin is pretty strictly transactional
The part that matters to me is whether or not we are saying Hazou deliberately deceived her somehow. Anything that implies we did, I do not support. I do not think Hazou did this deliberately, I think it's slightly more arguable he did it accidentally (and still imo he did not.) But he can think on their talk more and tell her he has more to say just to make sure they're on the same page.
If it's more like a "apologies for poor communication, I think i gave the wrong impression, here is my CCnJ collected thoughts on my opinion of jashin," that's more tolerable for me than apologizing for doing something immoral that fmpov we didn't do.
Ah come on. We gave her a spiel about the fake theology we made up about Jashin to steer her in the right unharmful direction.
YOU think it is fake. Hazou didn't or he wouldn't have been able to persuade Hidan.A core component from the previous updates, when convincing Hidan about the life aspect stuff was that Hazou couldn't lie about it! Or Hidan would see through it. In that moment, Hazou legitimately expected that Jashin approved of his behavior. Now you can say Hazou doesn't actually CARE that Jashin approves but the yuno plan didn't say Hazou gives a shit about revering Jashin, quite the opposite.
Teeeeeechnically if Hidan is considering Hazō his ally we wouldn't need to roll deceit?YOU think it is fake. Hazou didn't or he wouldn't have been able to persuade Hidan.
Teeeeeechnically if Hidan is considering Hazō his ally we wouldn't need to roll deceit?
You'd need to be absolutely batshit to just - before he even opened his mouth - decide to agree with whatever Hazō says. Fits the character?
How to do that? Hidan wasn't going to accept a bargain or pleas for mercy. Theological arguments were the only way to get through to him, but what? Hidan was the expert on Jashin; Hazō couldn't hope to know the arguments better than the older ninja did. And whatever arguments he made, he had to mean them. Hidan would pick up on a lie or a rationalization instantly and all possibility of discussion would end. Hazō would need to murder all the civilians or die himself, and if he chose death then Hidan would still murder the villagers because that was what he did.
What possible argument could Hazō make that he believed and would be persuasive???
It's treason to share it. It's not a Clan Secret. I don't think any of them expects us to do that. And if they do, they should be thwapped.This is not true: Shadow Clone credibly counts. It's a simpler narrative but they're definitely going to ask about the weird training stuff we do.
We just improved them to +8 last update. Plausible they don't have them yet. I'm cutting Dampeners since we haven't finished them yet and timing doesn't work.Do they not have access to the best available Rocket Boots? Are any of the aggrieved sealmasters who could use the dampeners
I'd also personally prefer not sharing MARS, just straight up. That should really only be in Hazō's kit.It's treason to share it. It's not a Clan Secret. I don't think any of them expects us to do that. And if they do, they should be thwapped.
We just improved them to +8 last update. Plausible they don't have them yet. I'm cutting Dampeners since we haven't finished them yet and timing doesn't work.
[X] Action Plan: Building Favor
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Timeline: Bandit clearing + 1 research cycle
- With Noburi, take a couple bandit clearing missions direct from Asuma.
- Summon low-cost Dogs to help track
- Noburi
- Would you be willing to take a break from the Hospital?
- We need the teketsu opening surgery for the Rift, can you begin researching it?
- Suggest experimenting on common Chakra beasts
- Consult with Dr. Yakushi? Don't do so if risks compromising OPSEC on Rift to Orochimaru
- Encourage him to read notes to improve his skills
- Meet with disgruntled clanmates:
- Optimize with Mari, Kei, and Noburi
- Ask Asuma and Ino their opinion in general terms
- Prior to the meeting, encourage Mari to share a few more of her ninjutsu.
- Over half the clan shares her Lightning Element. Her ninjutsu could keep them alive.
- She could share the techniques she contributed to the Tower with the Clan.
- At the meeting:
- Demanding they surrender their jutsu without discussion was a mistake.
- But! Hazou withheld nothing useful for combat during the war.
- He kept a few diagnostic seals, but there was nothing else.
- In light of Akane's death, Hazou is loosening the OPSEC on MARS
- Any Goketsu of at least special jounin rank will have access to (black paper) MARS.
- Distribute improved Rocket Boots, and Dampener seals (as applicable)
- The issue of KEI justu will come up for every clan.
- The Goketsu are influential. What they decide, collectively, could set precedent.
- What do they want? What issues do they see? Do they have ideas? You want something that works for everyone - them included.
- Encourage them to ruminate: you don't need an answer immediately.
- Offscreen
- Do purification rituals, attend religious sermons and festivals as necessary, be seen
- Optimize with Mari
- Attend clan head training with Asuma
- Do this regularly from now on
- Hazou begins advising Sasha
- Trade for Harumitsu's Cold Seal.
- Sealing
- Test how MARS interacts with Rocket Boots, try triggering pairs attached to the feet/elbows/back and multiple pairs at once
- Use SCs as test subjects.
- SC SSA: MS8 Latching derivative. Full prep
- Prime SSA: Reusable Rocket Boots. Full prep
- Improve the seal until it challenges stagnation
- Aim for six uses, and then boost the bonus as much as possible
- Non-SSA SC
- Full prep 4FSoP
- Research Dampeners and then use them
- Keep genin seals coming - Substitution, Harumitsu's Cold Seal, Electrocution, other Jiraiya seals
- Abort any seal if it seems difficult, do not risk sealing failures
I included Rocket Boots. I really want to talk with Ma and Pa about the whole endeavor, but I think that should be a scene all on its own because 'hey we can get into the afterlife' is a pretty big deal.
So -- I have concerns here. Mostly, that if we are to "challenge stagnation", I am unsure our calligraphy will be sufficient.
- Prime SSA: Reusable Rocket Boots. Full prep
- Improve the seal until it challenges stagnation
- Aim for six uses, and then boost the bonus as much as possible
I'm reconsidering the bandit mission. As far as I can see it we have a couple options. Let's run a quick poll.I still really don't like going on a bandit killing mission with Noburi. It seems like such a pointless thing to do if we can't honestly say why we did it afterwards and it seems like something that is bad for our psychology and especially bad for Noburi if we drag him into it.
@Sir Stompy What's your response to my criticism that Hidan will see right through us if we deliberately don't dedicate those kills to Jashin? Maybe hearing it will assuage my worries.
Also, what do any of you think of taking Mari instead of Noburi? That seems like a decent compromise. She's less likely to be adversely affected.
If we can't do it with 42 Callig + 3 (IN) + 3 (Dampeners) + 16 (Prep) = eff 64, which is 2/3 of 96. Then we're just fucked IMO. If you doubt our Callig now you doubt our ability to unstagnate at all with RRB. Our Callig is sufficient for our level.So -- I have concerns here. Mostly, that if we are to "challenge stagnation", I am unsure our calligraphy will be sufficient.
Yeah alright, fair.If we can't do it with 42 Callig + 3 (IN) + 3 (Dampeners) + 16 (Prep) = eff 64, which is 2/3 of 96. Then we're just fucked IMO. If you doubt our Callig now you doubt our ability to unstagnate at all with RRB. Our Callig is sufficient for our level.
I reacted with ℹ️ but I'd also be okay with ❤️. Or, as I said, with asking Mari to come along. Honestly, even💡seems better to me than 🚀.2. As planned - maybe with Anbu escort instead, dedicate the kills inside the privacy of Hazou's head only, react heart for this one
3. Don't take Nobs, don't take anyone except Dogs, dedicate the kills to Jashin spectacularly, react informative for this one
Oh, me!Can someone who knows what they're doing with sealing mechanics:
Probably easier for Hazō to make Earth Pillar derivatives. First one that is permanent, and then ones that produce different composition stones.So maybe we should look for Earth element jutsu that produces other types of minerals than granite?
True, and since he's worked with Corundum before (even if it got patched), he should still be able to remember the "feel" of it well enough to Replicate it via sealing.Probably easier for Hazō to make Earth Pillar derivatives. First one that is permanent, and then ones that produce different composition stones.