"Shadow Clone is a national secret. Sorry I can't tell you more." Pretty easy IMO. And I'd expect that they already know this. Shadow clone is publicly known, a la Naruto, but everyone also knows the particulars are need-to-know, and Hazou is a known SC user.
If they're disgruntled this tips our hand to an unnecessary degree IMO.

At any rate I'm probably going to specify something.

E: to articulate my thoughts on the Yuno thing, my read is that if Hazo said 'hey just to clarify this is what I actually meant' I would expect a lot more damage and pushback than if we say 'I'm sorry I wasn't sufficiently transparent and forthright with you'. We definitely didn't make it clear that our relationship with Jashin is pretty strictly transactional.
 
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E: to articulate my thoughts on the Yuno thing, my read is that if Hazo said 'hey just to clarify this is what I actually meant' I would expect a lot more damage and pushback than if we say 'I'm sorry I wasn't sufficiently transparent and forthright with you'. We definitely didn't make it clear that our relationship with Jashin is pretty strictly transactional
The part that matters to me is whether or not we are saying Hazou deliberately deceived her somehow. Anything that implies we did, I do not support. I do not think Hazou did this deliberately, I think it's slightly more arguable he did it accidentally (and still imo he did not.) But he can think on their talk more and tell her he has more to say just to make sure they're on the same page.

If it's more like a "apologies for poor communication, I think i gave the wrong impression, here is my CCnJ collected thoughts on my opinion of jashin," that's more tolerable for me than apologizing for doing something immoral that fmpov we didn't do.
 
The part that matters to me is whether or not we are saying Hazou deliberately deceived her somehow. Anything that implies we did, I do not support. I do not think Hazou did this deliberately, I think it's slightly more arguable he did it accidentally (and still imo he did not.) But he can think on their talk more and tell her he has more to say just to make sure they're on the same page.

If it's more like a "apologies for poor communication, I think i gave the wrong impression, here is my CCnJ collected thoughts on my opinion of jashin," that's more tolerable for me than apologizing for doing something immoral that fmpov we didn't do.

Ah come on. We gave her a spiel about the fake theology we made up about Jashin to steer her in the right unharmful direction.
 
Ah come on. We gave her a spiel about the fake theology we made up about Jashin to steer her in the right unharmful direction.
A core component from the previous updates, when convincing Hidan about the life aspect stuff was that Hazou couldn't lie about it! Or Hidan would see through it. In that moment, Hazou legitimately expected that Jashin approved of his behavior. Now you can say Hazou doesn't actually CARE that Jashin approves but the yuno plan didn't say Hazou gives a shit about revering Jashin, quite the opposite.
YOU think it is fake. Hazou didn't or he wouldn't have been able to persuade Hidan.
 
Teeeeeechnically if Hidan is considering Hazō his ally we wouldn't need to roll deceit?

You'd need to be absolutely batshit to just - before he even opened his mouth - decide to agree with whatever Hazō says. Fits the character?
How to do that? Hidan wasn't going to accept a bargain or pleas for mercy. Theological arguments were the only way to get through to him, but what? Hidan was the expert on Jashin; Hazō couldn't hope to know the arguments better than the older ninja did. And whatever arguments he made, he had to mean them. Hidan would pick up on a lie or a rationalization instantly and all possibility of discussion would end. Hazō would need to murder all the civilians or die himself, and if he chose death then Hidan would still murder the villagers because that was what he did.

What possible argument could Hazō make that he believed and would be persuasive???
 
This is not true: Shadow Clone credibly counts. It's a simpler narrative but they're definitely going to ask about the weird training stuff we do.
It's treason to share it. It's not a Clan Secret. I don't think any of them expects us to do that. And if they do, they should be thwapped.
Do they not have access to the best available Rocket Boots? Are any of the aggrieved sealmasters who could use the dampeners
We just improved them to +8 last update. Plausible they don't have them yet. I'm cutting Dampeners since we haven't finished them yet and timing doesn't work.
 
It's treason to share it. It's not a Clan Secret. I don't think any of them expects us to do that. And if they do, they should be thwapped.

We just improved them to +8 last update. Plausible they don't have them yet. I'm cutting Dampeners since we haven't finished them yet and timing doesn't work.
I'd also personally prefer not sharing MARS, just straight up. That should really only be in Hazō's kit.

Edit: misunderstood what you were talking about. Still believe what I said ignoring context lol. Imma head to bed.
 
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[X] Action Plan: Building Favor
Words: 398
Timeline: Bandit clearing + 1 research cycle
  • With Noburi, take a couple bandit clearing missions direct from Asuma.
    • Summon low-cost Dogs to help track
    • Noburi
      • Would you be willing to take a break from the Hospital?
        • We need the teketsu opening surgery for the Rift, can you begin researching it?
          • Suggest experimenting on common Chakra beasts
          • Consult with Dr. Yakushi? Don't do so if risks compromising OPSEC on Rift to Orochimaru
        • Encourage him to read notes to improve his skills
  • Meet with disgruntled clanmates:
    • Optimize with Mari, Kei, and Noburi
      • Ask Asuma and Ino their opinion in general terms
    • Prior to the meeting, encourage Mari to share a few more of her ninjutsu.
      • Over half the clan shares her Lightning Element. Her ninjutsu could keep them alive.
      • She could share the techniques she contributed to the Tower with the Clan.
    • At the meeting:
      • Demanding they surrender their jutsu without discussion was a mistake.
      • But! Hazou withheld nothing useful for combat during the war.
        • He kept a few diagnostic seals, but there was nothing else.
      • In light of Akane's death, Hazou is loosening the OPSEC on MARS
        • Any Goketsu of at least special jounin rank will have access to (black paper) MARS.
        • Distribute improved Rocket Boots, and Dampener seals (as applicable)
      • The issue of KEI justu will come up for every clan.
        • The Goketsu are influential. What they decide, collectively, could set precedent.
        • What do they want? What issues do they see? Do they have ideas? You want something that works for everyone - them included.
        • Encourage them to ruminate: you don't need an answer immediately.
  • Offscreen
    • Do purification rituals, attend religious sermons and festivals as necessary, be seen
      • Optimize with Mari
    • Attend clan head training with Asuma
      • Do this regularly from now on
    • Hazou begins advising Sasha
    • Trade for Harumitsu's Cold Seal.
  • Sealing
    • Test how MARS interacts with Rocket Boots, try triggering pairs attached to the feet/elbows/back and multiple pairs at once
      • Use SCs as test subjects.
    • SC SSA: MS8 Latching derivative. Full prep
    • Prime SSA: Reusable Rocket Boots. Full prep
      • Improve the seal until it challenges stagnation
      • Aim for six uses, and then boost the bonus as much as possible
    • Non-SSA SC
      • Full prep 4FSoP
      • Research Dampeners and then use them
      • Keep genin seals coming - Substitution, Harumitsu's Cold Seal, Electrocution, other Jiraiya seals
      • Abort any seal if it seems difficult, do not risk sealing failures

[X] Action Plan: Building Favor


I included Rocket Boots. I really want to talk with Ma and Pa about the whole endeavor, but I think that should be a scene all on its own because 'hey we can get into the afterlife' is a pretty big deal.

If possible i would re-word it, because at the moment it's basically "Hazou connect Rocket Boots to MARS and activate it without testing anything"

[X] Action Plan: Mending Fences
 
I still really don't like going on a bandit killing mission with Noburi. It seems like such a pointless thing to do if we can't honestly say why we did it afterwards and it seems like something that is bad for our psychology and especially bad for Noburi if we drag him into it.

@Sir Stompy What's your response to my criticism that Hidan will see right through us if we deliberately don't dedicate those kills to Jashin? Maybe hearing it will assuage my worries.

Also, what do any of you think of taking Mari instead of Noburi? That seems like a decent compromise. She's less likely to be adversely affected.
 
I still really don't like going on a bandit killing mission with Noburi. It seems like such a pointless thing to do if we can't honestly say why we did it afterwards and it seems like something that is bad for our psychology and especially bad for Noburi if we drag him into it.

@Sir Stompy What's your response to my criticism that Hidan will see right through us if we deliberately don't dedicate those kills to Jashin? Maybe hearing it will assuage my worries.

Also, what do any of you think of taking Mari instead of Noburi? That seems like a decent compromise. She's less likely to be adversely affected.
I'm reconsidering the bandit mission. As far as I can see it we have a couple options. Let's run a quick poll.
1. As planned, if you want this, react like
2. As planned - maybe with Anbu escort instead, dedicate the kills inside the privacy of Hazou's head only, react heart for this one
3. Don't take Nobs, don't take anyone except Dogs, dedicate the kills to Jashin spectacularly, react informative for this one
4. Don't do it at all, react insightful for this one
5. Something else, lmk what you think.
So -- I have concerns here. Mostly, that if we are to "challenge stagnation", I am unsure our calligraphy will be sufficient.
If we can't do it with 42 Callig + 3 (IN) + 3 (Dampeners) + 16 (Prep) = eff 64, which is 2/3 of 96. Then we're just fucked IMO. If you doubt our Callig now you doubt our ability to unstagnate at all with RRB. Our Callig is sufficient for our level.
 
2. As planned - maybe with Anbu escort instead, dedicate the kills inside the privacy of Hazou's head only, react heart for this one
3. Don't take Nobs, don't take anyone except Dogs, dedicate the kills to Jashin spectacularly, react informative for this one
I reacted with ℹ️ but I'd also be okay with ❤️. Or, as I said, with asking Mari to come along. Honestly, even💡seems better to me than 🚀.

Edit: Wait, no. I missed the word "spectacularly". I am definitely not proposing we do that. It would both really not be good for Hazō's mental development (he is in fact not fully mentally developed yet) and it would muddle the experimental results of seeing what is actually needed to get results, and it would leave really suspicious evidence.

Let's just stick to Hidan's directives. No delegating kills to others, no long distance seals used for last hits. If we're alone we can dedicate the kills to Jashin out loud instead of silently. Maybe cary his symbol in our pocket at most. But no impersonating Yuno. And even verbal dedications should not be religious prostrations.
Here's a phrasing I think would work well:
"These are for you, Jashin. I actually hope you don't like them as much as I think you might. Give me a sign either way."
 
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Can someone who knows what they're doing with sealing mechanics:
Oh, me!
Give me a blurb titled 'sealing' which is roughly 50 words
  • Sealing
    • Take a break. You've earned it.
    • Tell Kagome to spend some time hanging out with Honoka too, since the two of you are going to be in the sealing mines together for a long while to come.
    • Maybe go on a date, idk.

Anyway, current vote status:

Adhoc vote count started by Paperclipped on Aug 1, 2023 at 5:55 AM, finished with 321 posts and 21 votes.
 
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[X][Hyūga] Finalize the deal: Hazō will provide them with sapphire and diamond only, in exchange for a healthy income stream.
 
So maybe we should look for Earth element jutsu that produces other types of minerals than granite? well, we can make a lot of diamond so it shouldn't be an issue anyway that we don't have corundum any more, but different crystals are different crystals
 
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