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[X] Action Plan: Bonding, Cold Seals, and Medical Notes
Words: <300
Timeline: Bandit clearing + 1 research cycle
  • With Noburi, go directly to Asuma directly and take a couple bandit clearing missions.
    • Summon low-cost Dogs for tracking
    • Talk with Nobs during the mission
      • Would Arachnid Silk Bandages be an improvement on regular bandages? If so, donate a bunch. We can take a temporary loss on the Silk Trade.
      • Would you be willing to take a break from the Hospital to read both lootboxes? Do you currently have enough time to read one set of notes? (If so: Mednin)
      • Can you begin researching the teketsu opening surgery?
        • Suggest experimenting on common Chakra beasts
  • Harumitsu
    • Hang out, discuss Sealing theory, enjoy company. Ask after his welfare
    • Trade for Harumitsu's Cold Seal.
      • (Internally): It's useful, we have ideas, he's a solid sealmaster. Wider Tech base means more veterancy. More veterancy means more safety. More safety means more survivability.
    • Offer:
      • Firework Seal and Bubble Seal.
      • If Ritsuo demands more, include Daybright Instructional Chain
    • Remind Harumitsu we care, to use full prep, and that we'll always help him out if he needs it (Sealing or otherwise), politics be damned.
      • Be circumspect about the "or otherwise" if Ritsuo's present.
  • Offscreen
    • Mari gave the Tower some ninjutsu. Ask her to contribute those to the Goketsu Vault.
    • Encourage Sasha to surrender control of her sheet to Hazou.
    • Begin learning THing [link to chapter where Asuma says the Tower would pay for it]
    • Noburi
      • Test to see if storing an item sterilizes it (Spirits are sorta alive?)
  • Sealing
    • Prime SSA: MS8 Latching derivative.
    • SC SSA: Reusable Rocket Boots
      • Six uses.
      • Boost bonus, then additional uses until challenges stagnation.
    • Non-SSA SC: Dampener seal. Cold seal.
      • Abort any seal if it seems difficult at all, do not risk sealing failures
    • Goketsu sealmasters learn Jiraiya and Isan's genin seals to add to the Goketsu toolkit. Mandate full research prep.
 
Yes! I vehemently disagree with this. If Orochimaru ever sees the estate looking like the GS he's gonna freak out and start demanding answers that we can't give w/o spilling the beans on PS and ES. Let's not.
I figure we can just tell him 'turns out I can make stone that looks like the GS-stone, but whatever makes it suitable for 3D sealing is something else' and he'd accept that. Doesn't spill the beans on PS and he's going to figure out ES anyways.

@acidshill I'm tentatively okay with this edit.
Okay, great, I'll put something similar to that in.

I'm pretty sure that the seal testing grounds are off property and outside the walls of Leaf? Or am I confused about that because that was only the case back when our whole compound was outside Leaf walls?

Also, what about the Koi ponds and the artful water channels that the Koi can surreptitiously jump into?
Yeah, seal testing grounds should probably be outside the walls, so I'll remove those. Koi ponds and water channels Koi can easily escape into... that does not seem like the kind of thing we could actually get away with, in practice. I think if the Wakahisa found out they would see right through it and not accept it as an accident (or if they did, they would simply demand we kill the extra koi). If we're going to cheat the deal, I think the right move is to simply have a second secret Koi pond they won't find out about.
 
Personally, I don't think that asking him to send a mission to Honey should be our first resort here. I'd mention it as an option, but what I really want to ask Asuma here is that he uses his TH prowess to try and recreate the honey crystal himself. It's an effect we know Earthshaping to be capable of, and Cannai told us that anything ES can do could be done by a more focused jutsu. This would give us a renewable supply of the crystal, which is what we truly need here.
I was initially under the (false) impression that Cannai implied we would have trouble doing this with human ninjutsu, but this seems like a good idea. I'll add it in.

I'd also rephrase the Orochimaru situation, starting with our cause for concern and drawing our tentative conclusions afterwards. I'd put it something like this:
  • Now that we're approaching the PS unlock, we'd like to keep the secret from Orochimaru long enough to start exploring the field first.
    • We don't know how powerful 3D Sealing is, but if it's too powerful it could make Orochimaru an existential threat in his own right. We want to make sure that's not true before we share our findings with him.
    • In the end, it's your call.
Still deferential to Asuma's authority, but puts our main concern front and center and better explains why we think a choice like this is necessary.
This looks good, I'll make the edit.
 
Please keep 4FSoP where it is. There's a literall cabal that will earn you my, @RandomOTP's, @Twinnstars', and I think @RandomX2's vote for it.
I think your use of apostrophes broke the tagging.

Un-stagnating seems like a big deal as we're pretty darn stagnant. Do you have ideas as to how to get both of these in there? Again, I'm not up on the mechanics and I'm really just looking for someone to tell me what to do.

I absolutely see the case for 4FSoP and want to get going on it, but there's only so much time in the day, even with Shadow Clone.
@_The_Bomb I will no longer be updating my plan as @FaintlySorcerous has added a Sealing section.
Does this mean your plan is depreciated, or that we've diverged far enough that you won't be picking up my updates? Even if we've diverged (e.g., you don't like how I'm handling the sealing end of things) I'd encourage you to look at the content changes as I think they're strictly better than what I had.
 
Does this mean your plan is depreciated, or that we've diverged far enough that you won't be picking up my updates? Even if we've diverged (e.g., you don't like how I'm handling the sealing end of things) I'd encourage you to look at the content changes as I think they're strictly better than what I had.
Yes.

I like your plan, and re-thinking about it do want to do something with Yuno, and adding a Sealing section advances the other plots enough that I'm not worried about things. My plan is deader than Akane.
 
I'm seeing a lot of sealing sections with prime doing MS8-latching and SC SSA on RRB, which confuses me. If RRB is meant to be challenging so we can unstagnate, shouldn't prime be working on it instead? Do we know that MS8-latching won't be enough to unstagnate?
 
I'm seeing a lot of sealing sections with prime doing MS8-latching and SC SSA on RRB, which confuses me. If RRB is meant to be challenging so we can unstagnate, shouldn't prime be working on it instead? Do we know that MS8-latching won't be enough to unstagnate?
For the additional +3 calligraphy? It wouldn't hurt. Good looking out. I recommend everyone who has a plan with that to swap the position of those two seals.

Edit:
And yeah, MS8 was just chunin level. Unless MS8.1 is wildly more difficuly (and we have no reason to believe it will be), it won't be enough to unstagnate us.
 
Updated so Prime SSA does RRB

[X] Action Plan: Bonding, Cold Seals, and Medical Notes
Words: <300
Timeline: Bandit clearing + 1 research cycle
  • With Noburi, go directly to Asuma directly and take a couple bandit clearing missions.
    • Summon low-cost Dogs for tracking
    • Talk with Nobs during the mission
      • Would Arachnid Silk Bandages be an improvement on regular bandages? If so, donate a bunch. We can take a temporary loss on the Silk Trade.
      • Would you be willing to take a break from the Hospital to read both lootboxes? Do you currently have enough time to read one set of notes? (If so: Mednin)
      • Can you begin researching the teketsu opening surgery?
        • Suggest experimenting on common Chakra beasts
  • Harumitsu
    • Hang out, discuss Sealing theory, enjoy company. Ask after his welfare
    • Trade for Harumitsu's Cold Seal.
      • (Internally): It's useful, we have ideas, he's a solid sealmaster. Wider Tech base means more veterancy. More veterancy means more safety. More safety means more survivability.
    • Offer:
      • Firework Seal and Bubble Seal.
      • If Ritsuo demands more, include Daybright Instructional Chain
    • Remind Harumitsu we care, to use full prep, and that we'll always help him out if he needs it (Sealing or otherwise), politics be damned.
      • Be circumspect about the "or otherwise" if Ritsuo's present.
  • Offscreen
    • Mari gave the Tower some ninjutsu. Ask her to contribute those to the Goketsu Vault.
    • Encourage Sasha to surrender control of her sheet to Hazou.
    • Begin learning THing [link to chapter where Asuma says the Tower would pay for it]
    • Noburi
      • Test to see if storing an item sterilizes it (Spirits are sorta alive?)
  • Sealing
    • SC SSA: MS8 Latching derivative.
    • Prime SSA: Reusable Rocket Boots
      • Six uses.
      • Boost bonus, then additional uses until challenges stagnation.
    • Non-SSA SC: Dampener seal. Cold seal.
      • Abort any seal if it seems difficult at all, do not risk sealing failures
    • Goketsu sealmasters learn Jiraiya and Isan's genin seals to add to the Goketsu toolkit. Mandate full research prep.
 
Un-stagnating seems like a big deal as we're pretty darn stagnant. Do you have ideas as to how to get both of these in there? Again, I'm not up on the mechanics and I'm really just looking for someone to tell me what to do.

I absolutely see the case for 4FSoP and want to get going on it, but there's only so much time in the day, even with Shadow Clone.
It doesn't actually have to be SSA since it's reduced to chūnin difficulty with notes. As long as it's full prep, we are good to go!
 
Also, we have exactly one (1) FP right now. Is it a good idea to be researching 3-5 seals at once?
I wouldn't worry about the genin seals, especially since we have notes for most of the ones proposed.

Kagome will be assisting with MS8.1, so thats an extra 6-7 on that roll. With prep and SSA there's likely no chance to fail the sealing roll. Callig is likely fine as well with full prep.
RRB is the actually challenging one. We will hopefully have the dampener seal done by then, so that plus the IN +3 on callig should hopefully be enough to avoid any possible issues. SSA plus full prep makes me not worries about the sealing TN. If the stagnancy challenge TN is meant to be around our sealing score, with +16 prep we can't fail even on a -12.
 
[X] Training Plan - Noburi: Mednin 40 -> 43 (126 XP)
[X] Training Plan: Kei Deceit 20 -> 23 (-66 XP)
[X][Notes SOP]: Finish the job
[X][Estate] A Good Foundation
[X][Aburame] Spend 1 day per month making telescopes. (+50% production)
[X][Hyūga] Finalize the deal: Hazō will provide them with sapphire and diamond only, in exchange for a healthy income stream.

Man, lotta things to vote on this cycle. And I haven't even figured out which Action Plan to support yet!
And yeah, MS8 was just chunin level. Unless MS8.1 is wildly more difficuly (and we have no reason to believe it will be), it won't be enough to unstagnate us.
We're modifying it to do something that the Minato chain was never doing. Kagome is deferring to us because he doesn't trust his skills enough when we're an option. We made rather slow progress on MS8 until Kagome started lending his support.

I'm not gonna claim that it's at the limits of our abilities and we definitely need that +3 calligraphy, but I want us taking these seals seriously. "It sounds easy" is the bane of sealmasters, and we almost got killed by that exact mistake with CATEARS. (granted, we could have survived a resultant sealing failure, but they can be no-save lethal just as easily)
 
Note: this write up is not aimed at Random in particular, theirs just happened to be the first post going more in on both things that I saw after the update. Also, I'll vote shortly, a bit limited on mobile at the moment.

I think that we're kinda running out of days here. A couple days a month on goo bombs. More for telescopes. Plus missions for gems. And potentially Asuma training. And running the clan. And...
And working on necromancy and sealing. There's an argument for Hazō to learn technique hacking, which would take substantial time. Even just having the time to play with primordial sealing is a thing both Hazō and us have been wanting to do, but limited screen time (and XP to invest).

As much as the cash is useful, if we don't even really have time to hunt scrolls or potentially go ourselves to get cave crystals that nobody else knows what exactly to look for, I'm not sure the gem missions are a great use of our time. Maybe we do that after a little while, to shake up the market we already started to dominate?

Even with Shadow clones, we're being stretched pretty thin. And all those shadow clones are at the cost of FOOM. The great seal repair at this point might just need time and XP, and that's a heck of an opportunity cost. Because even if the conclave works, we need to be ready to actually fix the thing. Especially if the dragons eat another boss. We need to be ready to do the thing as soon as they are.
I endorse this and encourage people to change their votes accordingly. Boosting it for visibility.
 
I wouldn't worry about the genin seals, especially since we have notes for most of the ones proposed.

Kagome will be assisting with MS8.1, so thats an extra 6-7 on that roll. With prep and SSA there's likely no chance to fail the sealing roll. Callig is likely fine as well with full prep.
RRB is the actually challenging one. We will hopefully have the dampener seal done by then, so that plus the IN +3 on callig should hopefully be enough to avoid any possible issues. SSA plus full prep makes me not worries about the sealing TN. If the stagnancy challenge TN is meant to be around our sealing score, with +16 prep we can't fail even on a -12.
Good to know! Although it would make me feel better if plan authors specified that Hazou should use the Dampener when researching RRB.
 
It doesn't actually have to be SSA since it's reduced to chūnin difficulty with notes. As long as it's full prep, we are good to go!
Yes -anding this, can I ask what the rush is on the MS8 varient? We're definitely not going to the rift until RRBs are finished, and personally I think that's suicide without 4fsop, CATEARS and sub seals.

There's really not a reason to research the ms8 varient until we're actually ready to get measurements, while pretty much everything else will be useful right away. 4fsop and rrbs together, then catears and the rift latching seal make more sense, imo.
 
We made rather slow progress on MS8 until Kagome started lending his support
I did some light analysis on the rolls last night. The TN was likely around 60 and Kagome's direct help gave about a 30% discount on the TN. I'm not sure if we were given a discount for Minato's notes, though I definitely think we should have been.

All that to say... Yeah the TN isn't low, but with full prep and SSA and Kagome's help we're rolling base of 74+16+6or7=96. I don't think the TN will be anywhere close to that, likely not even in range to fail on -12.
Although it would make me feel better if plan authors specified that Hazou should use the Dampener when researching RRB.
Definitely a good point, I would also include that if I were a plan author.
 
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