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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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RandomOTP said:
I will vote for literally any plan that has us finding out Sasha's preferred build and native Element, just ping me about it.
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acidshill said:
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  • Find out what is Sasha's element and preferred build
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Done!

acidshill said:
If Hazō thinks it necessary, wait for SSA consequences to wear off
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I also added this bit, because it occurred to me that we might have SSA consequences and it might be better to wait until those have worn off before doing 3D sealing experiments. If people who understand the rules better than I do think this isn't necessary, I'll take it out.
 
acidshill said:
Done!


I also added this bit, because it occurred to me that we might have SSA consequences and it might be better to wait until those have worn off before doing 3D sealing experiments. If people who understand the rules better than I do think this isn't necessary, I'll take it out.
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We used SSA in chapter 605, Feb 10th.
Ch 608: Denounced! Happened during Feb 11th.
Ch 609: Stacking Buffs (probably) happened during Feb 12th.

We've recovered from SSA consequences for the coming day, Feb 13th.
 
Sir Stompy said:
[X][Yamanaka] Summoning Scrolls
Offer: Up to 3 days-worth of Goo Bombs. Less is fine, not more.
Request: Ino comes with Hazō on Scroll Hunt(s) for a number of days equal to cumulative scribe time + Forefits her claim to the Scroll(s)
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Hazō can make a Goo Bomb seal in five minutes, meaning he can make 12 per hour, and 108 per "day" (which EJ defined as 9 hours). We'll likely be splitting this up to shadow clones (three clones each spend three hours on Making Goo Bombs, and then do training as normal) so that we don't spend nine hours straight doing route repetetive work.

[Yamanaka] Summoning Scrolls proposes Hazō/his clones spend 27 hours per month creating these seals for the next year, or

(108 seals / day) * (3 days / month) * (12 months / year) = 3888 seals​

Goo Bombs, especially ones made by Hazō, are incredibly powerful seals and are absolute game changers in genin-level (and often even chūnin-level!) fights. There is no world in which trading nearly four thousand of these seals is worth a few weeks mission time, not even a squad of preNeedlePoint Senior Yamanka jōnin are on that mission.

We absolutely should acquire Yamanaka assistance on Sealing Scroll missions in this deal, but what we are giving is worth substantially more than that. We could ask for cash (which we already have in abundance), but you know what would really empower our clan? More techniques (especially non-elemental ones) that our clan members can learn.

I highly doubt they'd be willing to give up any of their juicy clan secrets, but they have far more techniques than just that. The Yamanaka are a Founding Clan and must have picked up some good things that aren't exclusive to them (and therefore not clan secrets) nor are already in the Leaf Private Library.

Here's what I propose:

[X] [Yamanaka] Good for the Yamanaka, Good for the Gōketsu
  • Gōketsu Offer
    • Up to a maximum of 300 full-strength Goo Bombs per month (3600 in total)
  • In exchange (sorted by Hazō's priority, top-to bottom) for the Yamanaka to:
    • Provide ongoing assistance improving Clan Gōketsu (and also Hazō specifically)'s reputation.
    • Have a senior Yamanaka (preferably Ino) accompany the Gōketsu on Scroll Hunting missions over the next year and give up all ownership claims on jointly recovered scrolls.
      • Hazō would REALLY like to do missions with Ino, if at all possible.
    • Provide good ninjutsu to the Gōketsu Clan
      • We're not after their clan's prized secret techniques, but they surely have picked up some high-level techniques from deals or....observations that aren't exclusive to them but aren't so proliferated to be in the Private Library.
      • Ideally Nonelemental or Lightning Element, so that it's useable for most of the clan
      • Any mental defense training they're willing to offer that might help Hazō better withstand the Dragons would be amazing. This can be Hazō-exclusive instead of for the clan, if desired.
 
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[x] Proto-Plan: Dimensional Science
  • Research 4fsop.
  • Try modifying and upgrading 4fsop in dimension-and-rift-related ways to grind rift veterancy. Do any of the following that Kagome deems useful for necromancy.
    • A barrier that exclusively bars summons.
    • A barrier that exclusively allows summons to permeate.
    • A barrier that is anchored in space in the same way that a rift is anchored in space.
    • A barrier that partially exists outside our path, blocking summoning from working inside.
    • A barrier that blocks storage seals from working inside.
    • A barrier that's larger on the inside due to a storage-space connection.
    • A barrier that interacts with the rift inflation construct, allowing us to better debug the inflator seal.
  • Go visit the bladehorror rift. Check that they're not escaping, then do whatever experiments/measurements Kagome deems useful to necromancy.
  • Offscreen: find out Sasha's element(s)/preferred specialty.
 
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_The_Bomb said:
Hazō can make a Goo Bomb seal in five minutes, meaning he can make 12 per hour, and 108 per "day" (which EJ defined as 9 hours). We'll likely be splitting this up to shadow clones (three clones each spend three hours on Making Goo Bombs, and then do training as normal) so that we don't spend nine hours straight doing route repetetive work.

[Yamanaka] Summoning Scrolls proposes Hazō/his clones spend 27 hours per month creating these seals for the next year, or

(108 seals / day) * (3 days / month) * (12 months / year) = 3888 seals​

Goo Bombs, especially ones made by Hazō, are incredibly powerful seals and are absolute game changers in genin-level (and often even chūnin-level!) fights. There is no world in which trading nearly four thousand of these seals is worth a few weeks mission time, not even a squad of preNeedlePoint Senior Yamanka jōnin are on that mission.

We absolutely should acquire Yamanaka assistance on Sealing Scroll missions in this deal, but what we are giving is worth substantially more than that. We could ask for cash (which we already have in abundance), but you know what would really empower our clan? More techniques (especially non-elemental ones) that our clan members can learn.

I highly doubt they'd be willing to give up any of their juicy clan secrets, but they have far more techniques than just that. The Yamanaka are a Founding Clan and must have picked up some good things that aren't exclusive to them (and therefore not clan secrets) nor are already in the Leaf Private Library.

Here's what I propose:

[X] Good for the Yamanaka, Good for the Gōketsu
  • Gōketsu Offer
    • Up to a maximum of 300 full-strength Goo Bombs per month (3600 in total)
  • In exchange (sorted by Hazō's priority, top-to bottom) for the Yamanaka to:
    • Have a senior Yamanaka (preferably Ino) accompany the Gōketsu on Scroll Hunting missions over the next year and give up all ownership claims on recovered scrolls.
    • Provide good ninjutsu to the Gōketsu Clan
      • We're not after their clan's prized secret techniques, but they surely have picked up some high-level techniques from deals or....observations that aren't exclusive to them but aren't so proliferated to be in the Private Library.
      • Ideally Nonelemental or Lightning Element, so that it's useable for most of the clan
    • Provide ongoing assistance improving Clan Gōketsu (and also Hazō specifically)'s reputation.
    • Provide ongoing assistance on helping Clan Gōketsu maintain it's OPSEC and dealing with leaks, if an issue ever arrises.
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If this is more goo bombs than they need, why not just offer 100 goo bombs in exchange for scroll hunts. Excess goo bombs are less useful to them, and our time is of liner value to us.

FaintlySorcerous said:
He's never held anything back: there's one clan secret they don't know about but that's because of national security.
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Also false! This was true during the war, but we currently have Mars. The next point may or may not say hazoupilot can reveal MARS to the whole clan, it is unclear.

[X] Action Plan: Hazo the Manager
 
Velorien said:
"One thing," Mari said. "You asked me to keep an eye on the adoptees and their dynamics, and I'm increasingly convinced that we need to slow the pace of adoptions. We're already outnumbered, and I have a feeling things are going to go horribly wrong if the handful of us try to manage more and more people when we barely have time for what we've got, all while we still have issues with the clan culture. I'm not saying we risk facing a rebellion or anything, but, well, let's just say it's not a good idea to rock the boat too much when in many ways we're still flying blind when it comes to running a clan, plus our attention's already taken up with other things."
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Clarity: We need to slow the pace of ninja adoptions?
 
acidshill said:
[X] Action Plan: Cannai! We Need to Cook
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If you add a sealing section, and attempts to make calligraphy pens from ES diamond thread, you'll get my vote.

For sealing, current discussion on Discord is a single 4-block SC reads sealing notes full time and then Prime and a SC do prep for... a Hazo's intuition number of days, one working on RB and one working on the Minato Seals.

There has been talk of working on the Genin and low Chunin seals we have notes for with non-SSA SCs. Stuff like Substitution Seals, Earth Pillar, etc.
 
ProperAttorney said:
We used SSA in chapter 605, Feb 10th.
Ch 608: Denounced! Happened during Feb 11th.
Ch 609: Stacking Buffs (probably) happened during Feb 12th.

We've recovered from SSA consequences for the coming day, Feb 13th.
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Sir Stompy said:
They have worn off as of last update.
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The plan called for more sealing. My understanding is that the research is still going to happen.

Inferno Vulpix said:
Sealing
  • Protocol: Hazou-pilot's best judgement
  • Shadow Clone: Finish Minato Seal 7, then Minato Seal 8
  • Prime: Rocket Boots
  • Non-SSA SC researches Earth Pillar seal
  • Ask junior sealmasters to assess and identify Sarubetsu/Isan seals
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This sure is a swanky plan... y'all should vote for it. All the cool kids are doing it ;>

RandomOTP said:
[x] [Yamanaka]: Buying the Freedom to Act

Offer: Up to 3 days-worth of Goo Bombs. Less is fine, not more.

Request: Yamanaka will help squash the rumors about Hazou's Jashinism, and bolster the clan's reputation for a period of 4 months (defense against the Hag/rival clans, freeing Hazou to act elsewhere).
Request: Ino (or similarly powerful Yamanaka) comes with Hazou on a Scroll Hunt + forfeits their claim on anything found.
Request: Cash (excuse for ES50 income)
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Sir Stompy said:
Can you add the Sealing section from the previous plan to your plan? If so I will vote for it. If not, I'll fork it. So either way lmk
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ProperAttorney said:
If you add a sealing section, and attempts to make calligraphy pens from ES diamond thread, you'll get my vote.
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I've added the sealing section, and will change it if we get more clarity on whether or not any research took place this past update.

@ProperAttorney can you clarify what exactly you want Hazō to try and what you expect to happen? (Re diamond thread)
 
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