Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Agony that desires to meet Extinction
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[X] Action Plan: So, You Have Come This Far, and Still, You Understand Nothing
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I have a question regarding the Shimura. I know that they (they being the formerly unofficial Shimura that were blood related but not officially of his Clan) retroactively inherited Danzō's belongings, including the estate we reclaimed from the wilds. But did they also retroactively inherit his Clan status? If yes, does that mean that the KEI representative on the Council is now a Clan Head (instead/in addition)? Or are those two roles split between different Shimura (or "Shimura") instead of being united in Yūichi?
I ask because the interlude I want to vote for is this:
[X] Interlude: Shimura on the formerly Gokētsu estate
This can be anything including but not limited to the following:
I ask because the interlude I want to vote for is this:
[X] Interlude: Shimura on the formerly Gokētsu estate
This can be anything including but not limited to the following:
- Hazō gives Yūichi the tour of his new estate
- Some Gokētsu gives some Shimura (or KEI?) a tour of their new estate.
- The Shimura (or KEI?) explore various stranger aspects of the estate and wonder.
- The Shimura discuss their new home, some of them complaining.
- The Shimura (or KEI) remodel parts that are not to their liking.
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- UK
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You can assume that the adoptees are learning the ninjutsu available to them in a sensible fashion, and that if we ever need to draw up full character sheets/roll combat for them, we will check the Gōketsu ninjutsu library to make sure we've properly accounted for their options.
In addition, I believe Hōzuki's Mantle has already been handed in to the Leaf Private Library. Poor Captain Miyamoto.
I think at this point the QMs have a decent idea of what the players consider Hazō to believe in regard to Jashin. The question of whether or not this qualifies as Jashin worship to, say, people who burn Jashin worshippers at the stake is one we will have to explore when the issue comes up in-character.
We need to make an announcement to Leaf as a whole, especially before leaving on a day-long trip out of town.
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im editing it in rn dont worry
i dont think we can literally just call all of leaf to a giant announcement but the information will be disseminated
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Thank you so much. :>
On the one hand, I liked the fact that it let me and @Velorien split up two parallel segments of the quest, each of which one of us was excited about and the other was anti-excited about.
On the other hand, I think it left things somewhat muddled.
Speaking off the top of my head and without talking to the other QMs about it: I'm not opposed to a temporary POV switch in the future, but I'd be inclined to make it a true switch -- the players take control of a different character and the camera follows them.
Could you quote the part where Hazō was cruel, or fumbled the ball? I don't think he did either of those things and I'd like to understand where our readings differ.
Yeah, that was Asuma's intent. Unfortunately, Akatsuki bulled on through instead of following the process he wanted.
No, Asuma thought he would be the best Hokage given the current field of candidates, which is why he ran. When it ended up a tie he realized that he could try to force the issue and maybe get the hat, maybe not, but either way he would end up with a divided Leaf and everyone would see him as a selfish power-grabber. On the other hand, he could show selflessness, unite the factions, and have a position of influence by allowing Hiashi to have the hat and working with him. Also, that's the Will of Fire and was what was best for Leaf.
tl;dr We're not going to stop you from lighthousing, but we're also not going to stop simulating the world around you. If you want to ignore everything, go missing, and lighthouse for the rest of the quest, we're not going to stop you.
Long form:
First, I'm sorry you feel that way. There's a tone of bitterness in there that I wish you didn't feel. If I'm interpreting it right you see this as the QMs actively and unfairly trying to stop you from doing something, stop you from having the kind of fun you want. That's not our intent.
You mention us creating mechanics, which I assume is a reference to the stagnancy rework that came out recently. A few things about that: first, the stagnancy mechanic had been in place for a very long time but the mechanics for it were too clumsy so we hadn't been using it. What came out recently was us fixing a problem, not adding a new thing.
One might then ask, why did there need to be a stagnancy mechanic?
There's a question that the QMs have been wrestling with for IRL years, which is why aren't senior ninja all gods? Why don't Jiraiya and Hiruzen and all of these guys have all of their stats in the 100s and all the stunts and etc etc? Also, why don't ninja XP rates accelerate as they power up -- they've got higher numbers and more options, so they can do more of whatever it is that produces XP and they can do it faster. For a long time it wasn't the highest priority item because we weren't dealing with top-level ninja that much so it wasn't urgent. More and more, however, we're dealing with S-rankers and they're only going to be turning up more often from now on. If we want a realistic world then we need an answer.
We've kicked around various answers to these problems and stagnancy was the best fit we could find. It solves a lot of problems and is much more realistic -- it's very easy for a beginner to advance because there's a lot of easy ground to capture, but the learning rate slows as you start running out of challenges. Eventually it becomes nigh-impossible to find a situation that you can learn anything from, and thus older ninja have stopped growing and started maintaining. It provides an effective cap on skills without actually being a heavy-handed "no higher!"
Going back to the "QMs are stopping you from lighthousing" thing...we really aren't. We're modeling the world to the best of our ability and having things happen in it. You can choose to engage with these things or not engage with them. You don't have to fight the Dragons, or interact with Leaf's politics, or be associated with the Conclave. We're not forcing you to do those things and if you don't want to, cool. Vote for something else. Vote to go missing again. Vote to step down and give Mari or Noburi the clan head's chair. Vote to ask Asuma to send you on a long-duration mission somewhere. Vote to have Hazō abscond to the Seventh Path and not come back.
Have things happened that are preventing you from lighthousing? Yes. The Dragons came along and you decided that Hazō needed to be involved in saving the world. (A great decision, IMO, since the world is where the story happens.) For the record, the Dragons are not a random encounter that we rolled up. They came into the story because of legit reasons that develop from in-universe actions that you know of, not anything hidden in the background. Yes, there is missing information that makes it extremely difficult to connect the dots, but it's not a random thing that we threw at you because we were bored.
I give you this promise: if you want to lighthouse, you can make that happen. It will involve giving some things up -- for one, you won't be able to bring all the characters that you like, since (e.g.) Ino isn't going to go missing with you absent force majeure. Still, it's in your power to do. Yes, you'll have to deal with the stagnancy mechanics but, honestly, that's unlikely to be an issue for you if you aren't tied down in Leaf. Go find some big monsters to punch, boom, combat barrier cleared. Work on a hard seal, boom, sealing barrier cleared. If Hazō is sitting in the woods by himself doing nothing but sealing it's almost certain that time-per-update will pass faster.
Fair warning: we will continue modeling the world even if Hazō isn't there. If another Nagi Island happens then you might get a quest over with no warning. If you go missing and then eventually go back to Leaf then you'll probably be arrested and executed as a traitor. If you aren't then you'll likely find that people you care about are dead or have moved on from you, or etc.
Point is, we aren't big meanies out to ruin your fun.
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Oh, sorry! Since Surging Seas was specifically called out within the narrative (Jin going "Oo, shiny!" And rushing off to learn it made me grin), I was worried that he may have overlooked other options available to him.
(I would have liked to have Captain Miyamoto swayed to our side, and watch as he grumbles, admits that we're not so bad after all, and then hasten to add a "for a Mist turncoat" as an obligatory afterthought)
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I'm fine with taking the KEI jutsu, FWIW. KEI knew this would happen when their members got adopted, the adoptees knew that they would be expected to share amongst the Clan, just as the Clan shares with them... everyone knew what they were getting into when they joined up. If they have sour grapes, then that's on them.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Yeah, but with respect, you're kind of unhelpfully spiteful toward a lot of people in-story.
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More than I'm supremely annoyed by their hypocrisy, tbh.
If we want to buy their jutsu from KEI, then sure, we have ES50 amounts of money to throw around.
It can even help set precedent for buying KEI-adoptees non-public jutsu, which is useful and makes the Goketsu look good. We already set a precedent for buying adoption tickets for specific people, and this would further that.
[X] Interlude: Hiruzen and Jiraya Teach the Hyūga Elders the Pink Pony no Jutsu
[X] Interlude: Honoka's Adoption Ceremony
[x] Interlude: Uplift goes to the karaoke
[x] Interlude: Uplift goes shopping
[x] Interlude: Uplift goes on a picnic above the clouds
[x] Interlude: Hiruzen Learns About EM Nuke, Decides Hazou is going to learn THing, and scoops Hazou off the street like a stray kitten. Hazou is just thrilled to finally get an apprenticeship.
[X] Interlude: Honoka's Adoption Ceremony
[x] Interlude: Uplift goes to the karaoke
[x] Interlude: Uplift goes shopping
[x] Interlude: Uplift goes on a picnic above the clouds
[x] Interlude: Hiruzen Learns About EM Nuke, Decides Hazou is going to learn THing, and scoops Hazou off the street like a stray kitten. Hazou is just thrilled to finally get an apprenticeship.
Seconded. It reminds me of a plan that mentioned asking her what new seals could boost her combat capabilities; it might be a good idea to do just that. Also, do we know what Kagome is working on as far as seals are concerned? Is he still trying to make sense of MS 8?
IRRC, he can't FOOM due to his unique chakra system, and therefore doesn't have enough CR, right? Any reason we don't get Nobs to FOOM?
OH. Well played, Asuma. I was convinced he was reluctant to run.
I feel alarmed that there is even a need to point that out. We love y'all, and we know you want to stay fair. As in any Quest/Game, players will complain because that's what we do. I hope the QMs don't feel bitter/discouraged/too negatively about it.
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That, and along with "Asuma is very leery of handing out the Shadow Clone jutsu, and doesn't seem to consider the medical benefits of Shadow Clone use in hospitals worth the potential OPSEC leak."
Even then, with the startup cost to raise Noburi's Resolve stat and a potential Shadow Clone stat high enough to start FOOMing, it would be a while before Noburi had a net-gain of XP (compared to the startup costs).
Personally, my hope is that if we raise Noburi's Medical skills high enough, he can impress Tsunade enough to earn an apprenticeship-in-truth, and thus have access to learning S-rank Stunts and jutsu.
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For clarity purposes, what would you say that is?
Sounds fair and simulationist to me!
We probably can, since he has 2 CP internal. Which would get evenly divided when he makes a clone.
But since if you don't have enough chakra, SC kills you when you cast it. It's dangerous to test. It's for this reason that Kabuto said it was too dangerous for him to learn.
Since then there's been very little interest in getting him SC, and I tend to agree there. If he dies, that's very bad. He's in a noncombat role and is unlikely to die on a shitty mission (RIP Akane)
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@Cariyaga Is this more what you want in terms of "make arguments Hidan could buy as 'life priest' stuff" type of statement?
Anyone who would like to move the timeline forward, I strongly encourage you to vote for my plan. Though I sympathize with the 'just request a string of interludes' mindset, I personally don't want to slow down the story even more.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Vaguely, yes -- but I'd like to be sure that uh... that's cogent with the will of fire and that we're not Doing a Heresy.
What's the reason this isn't "public announcement"
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er, that's a direct quote from hashirama
Reasonably certain Hazou can't just like, call all of leaf to listen to him, so the difference in wording is moot to me
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The self-named Shimura weren't blood-related to Danzō (or, if they were, have chosen to keep it secret), and did not inherit his clan status in any way.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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I more mean the phrase 'that's their Will of Fire,' because I'm not sure that matches the common (or complex, in the case of the Hagoromo) understanding of it.
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I need to get up in ~5 hours for work, but I'll get back to you on that. Promise I'm not trying to evade (this is really important to me, and I would like to discuss this more), I just need to get to sleep at a reasonable(ish) hour (though, given the time frame, I suspect that "a reasonable hour" has passed me by
).