Fate/Spring Tonelico (Fate/Grand Order Redux)

BlackHadou · Jul 16, 2023

King Prussia said:
I would like to justify it with some proper reasoning, but truth is that I simply like the literary character of Holmes and its Fate incarnation quite a bit.

There's a reason he was my first 10/10/10.

Prospalz · Jul 16, 2023

[X] The Man with the Stone (Caster: ????, Caster: Sherlock Holmes)

Casters sound fun, and generally are something that should be addressed ASAP before they spiral further into some sort of horror.

Macros · Jul 16, 2023

[X] Share what you know of Jack the Ripper.
[X] The Man with the Stone (Caster: ????, Caster: Sherlock Holmes)

Well, that went as well as one could have hoped. Still going to be awkward for quite a bit, I imagine.

And yeah, I'm all for trying to find Holmes early.

Nanimani · Jul 16, 2023

[X] Share what you know of Jack the Ripper.
[X] The Demonic Fog Laughs (Caster: ????, Berserker: ????)

So reasoning here. Even if we can't share everything with Henry, there's nothing wrong with sharing everything about an enemy he needs to kill and who we also need dead. Him knowing everything he can about how to kill them is in our best interests.
Demonic Fog sounds like it might mean the fog's not purely a Jack thing. Servant here has some connection as well. In that case, it'd be good to learn that soon.

Also, there is more than just a normal Grail War going on here, if we didn't know that already. So many Casters.

Nanolyte · Jul 16, 2023

[X] Share what you know of Jack the Ripper.
[X] The Man with the Stone (Caster: ????, Caster: Sherlock Holmes)

BlackHadou · Jul 16, 2023

Nanimani said:
Also, there is more than just a normal Grail War going on here, if we didn't know that already. So many Casters.

I mean, there's also the incineration of all human history happening in the background.

Spectral Waltz · Jul 16, 2023

BlackHadou said:
"It won't be a problem." Henry spoke up. "Let Mordred sulk. She'll work through it."

"OI!"

Beautiful...

[X] Share what you know of Jack the Ripper.
[X] The Man with the Stone (Caster: ????, Caster: Sherlock Holmes)

I like the thought of getting Holmes involved, he's... Generally a good person to have on side, assuming we can get that.

He's also not too likely to immediately jump to violence...?

BlackHadou · Jul 16, 2023

Spectral Waltz said:
He's also not too likely to immediately jump to violence...?

But will Tonelico?

Cathari · Jul 16, 2023

[X] Share what you know of Jack the Ripper.
[X] The Man with the Stone (Caster: ????, Caster: Sherlock Holmes)

Sinsystems · Jul 16, 2023

Random reminder, recall that Aesc would have no idea that Fou is a thing due to Fou refusing to come to Fae Britain.

Theaxofwar · Jul 16, 2023

[X] Share what you know of Jack the Ripper.

[X] The Man with the Stone (Caster: ????, Caster: Sherlock Holmes)

I just like Holmes

DrZero7114 · Jul 16, 2023

[X] Share what you know of Jack the Ripper.
[X] From Hell (Assassin: Jack the Ripper, Rider: ????)

I like Holmes as well but I feel like Caster Sherlock Holmes would be the one person Tonelico would not want to run into. Iirc the Caster version of Sherlock was so good at deducing mysteries that the world itself shoved him into the Ruler class so that he couldn't lay bare every mystery. Caster Holmes would figure out Tonelico's whole deal more than what she's comfortable with.

At least that's my reasoning for this vote.

King Prussia · Jul 16, 2023

DrZero7114 said:
[X] Share what you know of Jack the Ripper.
[X] From Hell (Assassin: Jack the Ripper, Rider: ????)

I like Holmes as well but I feel like Caster Sherlock Holmes would be the one person Tonelico would not want to run into. Iirc the Caster version of Sherlock was so good at deducing mysteries that the world itself shoved him into the Ruler class so that he couldn't lay bare every mystery. Caster Holmes would figure out Tonelico's whole deal more than what she's comfortable with.

At least that's my reasoning for this vote.

On the other hand I would argue that one of Holmes' defining characteristic in Doyle's stories and in Fate is that he's a very empathetic man who thrives to do good by others, putting this as a priority even above 'solving mysteries'. It's doubtful he would try to unravel a mystery if the only prize is to cause suffering to someone else, and in turn pretty certain he would be able to understand and help Tonelico if she wishes it.

Lichte · Jul 16, 2023

Nanimani said:
Also, there is more than just a normal Grail War going on here, if we didn't know that already. So many Casters.

As I see it, three fronts to address.

Option 1: We focus on the theoretically known factor of the Incineration plot with the Caster( Mephistopholes) and Berserker( The Creature) .
Option 2: We address the immediate threat of Jack and the Singularity's likely variation, assuming Jack and the Rider were summoned for the local Grail War.
Option 3: We hope to table the most immediate threats and problems long enough to try getting answers out of Holmes and another Caster( Hohenheim) , one of which might have been summoned for the War.

I don't see a good reason to withhold info on Jack, or at least as much of it as we can disclose without getting censored by its NP or our own magic. On the second phase though, I'm torn.

DrZero7114 · Jul 16, 2023

King Prussia said:
On the other hand I would argue that one of Holmes' defining characteristic in Doyle's stories and in Fate is that he's a very empathetic man who thrives to do good by others, putting this as a priority even above 'solving mysteries'. It's doubtful he would try to unravel a mystery if the only prize is to cause suffering to someone else, and in turn pretty certain he would be able to understand and help Tonelico if she wishes it.

Honestly, I don't see Caster Holmes' character being that much of a factor. It's his ability of deduction that makes me go "maybe they shouldn't meet". In his trial quest, Holmes says that says that by sticking him Ruler the world itself is telling him that not all mystery should be laid bare. Which implies to me at least that as Caster, he has no such obligation holding him back. From what I recall in FGO, if a case is interesting enough, he will go about solving it and Tonelico is a pretty interesting case. Especially since her class is Pretender. Even if he doesn't share what he deduces from her, him just figuring her out puts her in precarious spot.

That's what I think anyways. I'm not an expert on Holmes or Fate and I could be 100% wrong. Just felt like I should put my thoughts out there at least.

AnonymousRabbit · Jul 16, 2023