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Our conclave plan really needs a way to get in front of the upcoming Pantsaa/Kei conflict. the only options I've come up with are [try to talk out a solution with Pantsaa], or [ask Mari and do whatever she says].

Does anyone have better ideas?
 
Our conclave plan really needs a way to get in front of the upcoming Pantsaa/Kei conflict. the only options I've come up with are [try to talk out a solution with Pantsaa], or [ask Mari and do whatever she says].

Does anyone have better ideas?
I can't really think of anything else, honestly. And I'm not sure that I trust Hazou-pilot to talk with Pantsaa. Mari seems like the best option, but I'm a bit leery of shoving that weight onto the QMs' shoulders.
 
I don't think that's how the math works out. Shikamaru's projections had EM be "the lion's share of the risk". That's more than a first among equals by a narrow margin. Whatever the chance of EM destroying civilization, that now got converted into a chance of survival (for at least another 100 years) in Shikamaru's eyes.
"This is my attempt at a full projection of the future of civilization, made with all reasonable resources available to me as a Clan Head of Leaf. Additional time and information may improve accuracy dramatically, but this is, to my knowledge, our best analysis at the moment. As you can see, the total annihilation of civilization is almost certain within a hundred years, with the lion's share of the risk coming from Elemental Mastery. Other lines represent other sources of existential risk, such as the Dragons whose median risk is only the vaguest of guesses, Akatsuki who might somehow attempt another world-altering ritual, or some unknown factor which I am currently unaware of, a category whose purpose I had reason to doubt until the Dragons enlightened me. I am now certain there are plenty. Only the small line at the bottom includes civilization's survival in any form."

"It's still going down, even at the end of the chart," Hazō said.

"Yes."
This along with the quote faflec linked and Kei's estimations from the early quest all point towards the conclusion that what they're doing is not reversing course, just slowing down the end. He didn't say "we've bought ourselves 100 years", he said "within 100 years we are virtually guaranteed to be wiped out."
 
This along with the quote faflec linked and Kei's estimations from the early quest all point towards the conclusion that what they're doing is not reversing course, just slowing down the end. He didn't say "we've bought ourselves 100 years", he said "within 100 years we are virtually guaranteed to be wiped out."
I wonder if Shikamaru's accounted for the longterm effects of NOBURI Roads, Food Bank, and other such Uplift Projects?

I wonder how the numbers would look if we released MARI and NOBURI Roads to the wider EN (or, at least, allowed them to be "stolen")?
 
I wonder if Shikamaru's accounted for the longterm effects of NOBURI Roads, Food Bank, and other such Uplift Projects?

I wonder how the numbers would look if we released MARI and NOBURI Roads to the wider EN (or, at least, allowed them to be "stolen")?
Wonder what the NOBURI are officially called now that Asuma nixed them...
 
Other than the EM Council meeting, when would you expect to have heard her comment within the bounds of the update?
I expected her to comment within the EM council meeting. For most people, allowing them to attend the meeting without careful discussion of whether to invite them would be a careless Opsec breach. That does not apply for snowflake who already knows the secret. she might ordinarily have agency concerns of people associating inviting Kei as automatically inviting her, but her desire to stop Isan would heavily override that. Similarly for any reputational concerns for butting in on a meeting she wasn't technically invited to.
 
HAZOU, breaking into the Nara estate at 3 AM: So! I had some thoughts about how to stop civilisational collapse--
KEI: Hazou, I was asleep.
HAZOU: Blame your husband for giving me an interesting puzzle!
KEI:
KEI: In retrospect, I suppose that could be construed, given context, as inviting you into the polycule. Very well, proceed with your presentation.
 
Update clarification

It's come to our attention that there has been some misunderstanding around Shikamaru's claim that "the total annihilation of civilization is almost certain within a hundred years, with the lion's share of the risk coming from Elemental Mastery". An accurate way of rephrasing the claim is "Elemental Mastery is the primary reason why the total annihilation of civilisation is almost certain within a hundred years, although other risk factors exist, and with Elemental Mastery removed, civilization's survival in those hundred years is substantially more likely."
 
Current word count is 272, room for improvement and edits. This largely throws to NPCs, but I think it does so in a way that at least proposes solutions and pieces of solutions.

[X] [Conclave] Action Plan: Bracing for Impact
Word count: <300
  • Meeting
    • Meet with Kei, Mari, Noburi
    • Include...
      • Snowflake, Ami, Ruri, and Shikamaru as Kei feels appropriate/useful
      • Ma and Pa if possible
      • Haru if Mari thinks he'd benefit
    • Problem: summarize Kei's Pantsaa-related concerns.
      • What's the plausible worst-case outcome?
        • Execution? Pantsaa taking Kei hostage? Limiting her influence on the Seventh Path and/or contracts?
      • What are the threat timeframes?
    • Assets:
    • Approaches:
      • Contact and debrief Confute. Find out who tied her bonds/arranged for her to attack Hazo. Claim an offsite interrogation was necessary to avoid interference.
        • Frame as: Confute's escape was necessary to uncover traitors.
      • If Conjura approves of taking Archeopteryx territory, Kei floats the complete (willing) expulsion of Condors from their ancestral territory.
        • This is risky - does Pantsaa want blood? Is Kei overstepping her authority?
        • Big achievement/distraction if not.
      • Are the Pangolins convinced of the Dragon threat? Can we make Kei an indispensable part of the solution?
        • If they're not convinced, can we borrow a Dragon part from Orochimaru? (Spend a Fate point to Declare the Spiders found one after the fact if possible and useful.)
      • Can we make censuring Kei politically undesirable by connecting her with clans allied to the Pangolins?
  • The Conclave
    • Execute whatever plan/setup was decided on.
    • Meet with the Capybaras - be polite, offer gifts, discuss the Dragons. Tell our story and ask if it fits with their lore/legends. Have a Rat make an introduction if they're willing.
    • Do the same with the Mara, pending Asuma's approval.
    • Let Noburi take point with the Leopards.
  • (Offscreen) Ask Cannai and Enma about Boss succession and the Hierophant/Pantsaa's predecessor.
 
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The three Clans we have yet to speak to at all are the Mara (who Asuma said to steer clear since their Summoner is an enemy), the Leopards (who hate Hazou for cutting off the deal before their enemies the Hyenas were conquered), and the Capybara (a neutral clan.)

Asuma doesn't seem to be that mad about Cloud:
"First suggestion," Asuma said. "Take those gems and get them properly cut, then we'll send caravans to Sand, Cloud, and the various minor nations to unload them. Heck, even Mist.

Unless this comment is just about someone having to cross the sea.

Also, lol comment from 2016:
The Land of Tea. Got a port up north-west and a port mid-east (yay trade). Mountain pass for trade 50 miles south of the border. Lots of coastal villages (yay fish). A single clan commands the military which focuses almost exclusively on monster killing, they're friendly with Leaf and hold the Capybara summoning scroll. They live in the mountains in their fortress. Fairly ninja-lite as countries go.

We can offer the Capybara to communicate with their last summoners clan to find out more about the killes and make buddy buddy.

Now that Isan is gone, they are the only one Tea. (Assuming this is still canon, but I don't see why not)
 
Asuma doesn't seem to be that mad about Cloud:
'Feel free to go sell them a bunch of gems, potentially destabilizing their markets' is not a sign that he doesn't regard their ninja village as the enemy. There's a big gap between 'doesn't mind if you trade with their civilians' and 'isn't very mad at their high-ranking ninja'.
 
We can talk to them, it's just not as straightforward as the other two:

Neutral:
  • Mara -- Allied with Pangolins, will probably oppose you if the Pangolins ask but they're generally not eager to make enemies.

Asuma has little to add to the specifics of how to run a social operation -- he defers to Mari as the expert. However, he adds the following:

[...]
  • The Mara have a lot of soft-power, but their summoner is an enemy. Clear any plans to interact with them through Asuma first (not that F has been spotted at the Conclave).
 
'Feel free to go sell them a bunch of gems, potentially destabilizing their markets' is not a sign that he doesn't regard their ninja village as the enemy. There's a big gap between 'doesn't mind if you trade with their civilians' and 'isn't very mad at their high-ranking ninja'.

I tried to point out that he mentioned Sand and Cloud first, then went "Heck even Mist". You know, our supposed ally?

And selling gems doesn't automatically destroy their markets, the whole conversation was about making some profits.

We can talk to them, it's just not as straightforward as the other two:

Yeah, ask Asuma what he wants.

And the Toads.
 
I can't really think of anything else, honestly. And I'm not sure that I trust Hazou-pilot to talk with Pantsaa. Mari seems like the best option, but I'm a bit leery of shoving that weight onto the QMs' shoulders.
We could delay things for a few days? Once Enma comes back and gives his unimpeachable words to Pantsā about the existential threat of the Dragons we're in a totally different ball game.
 
We could delay things for a few days? Once Enma comes back and gives his unimpeachable words to Pantsā about the existential threat of the Dragons we're in a totally different ball game.
The game will be different, but there's no guarantee that it'll be a difference we like.

Pantsaa might shift his focus elsewhere after Enma sells everyone on the existence of the Dragons, or he might be convinced, realize that he needs to get his house in order, and deal with Kei's treason all the faster.
 
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[X] [Conclave] Action Plan: Bracing for Impact
This plan is a bit rough, but it hits the important points. Thank you for writing it.
I'll try to make time this evening to refine / suggest improvements.
 
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Omake: Chapter 6OO: Buy Me Time
Chapter 6OO: Buy Me Time.

"When else would we act?" Shikamaru asked. "Every passing year induces more risk. Would you accept killing Isan's next generation instead of this one? Or the one thereafter? Knowing, of course, that every step down this ladder risks the rest of the world as well."


A vision flashed through Hazō's mind, hell wind crashing down into Isan. Each other option had been pruned away, seemingly by fate. There was nothing he could do.

He froze.

There was nothing he could do now.

"Put a number on that for me - how much additional risk does one year cause? Can you buy me that time? Assume we step up our Isan containment efforts with risky political plays, weakening Leaf but keeping EM secret."

Both Nara and Mori involuntarily leaned back, their minds and talent focused on the problem.

The genius spoke first, "if we spend a truly ludicrous amount of political capital to make Isan unappealing to other powers while simultaneously boosting their economy into a golden age, the risk envelope only grows roughly ten percent, compared to removing the threat now."

The optimizer spoke second, "Unnecessary. The two approaches can be combined. Isan is fraught with paralyzing internal politics; if we promote their isolationist power bloc behind the scenes while publicly showering them with gifts to beg for their alliance their leadership will be paralyzed and their followers will happily stay to reap the benefits we provide."

She continued, "This will not work long term. Within two years the plot will be discovered, but it is nearly guaranteed to work until the next Chūnin exams.

Both thinkers turned to Hazō, and questioned in near unison, "Why?".

Asuma watched the byplay, his mask revealing nothing.

"What if the storm EM causes is an emergent property of wind spirits hating the cold, rather than an effect specifically from the EM jutsu?"

Shikamaru answered instantly, "Then life is doomed to end. Eventually someone will accidentally or purposefully destroy civilization via unleashing blizzard-river spirits into the heart of population centers."

Hazō nodded - he'd been expecting that answer.

"Have you considered the Hazō factor?" Hazō questioned, his mask entirely serious.

Asuma's mask broke at that, "This is NOT the time for jokes Gōketsu! First, this entire conspiracy is pointless because EM itself isn't the danger, then second the conspiracy is pointless because you yourself can solve it?!"

Uncertainty soured Hazō's stomach, "I'm sorry, you're right. I was using levity as a crutch so I can keep throwing ideas out without collapsing under the horror of what we're doing here. I promise there's substance behind the joke."

Mari opened her mouth, then closed it, not seeing the expected need to smooth things over between Hazō and his boss.

Hazō took a deep breath to center himself, then began to speak.

"Sealing can do anything. I mean that literally - Sealing taps into the building blocks of reality in a way that little else does. I haven't had time to research any seals that may prevent EM from going off, or potentially from my hypothetical emergent property having an effect, but they are categorically possible."

Asuma nodded, the lore from his predecessors covered this.

Kei nodded, the lore from living with Kagome covered this.

Mari nodded, the lore from wrangling Hazō covered this.

Shikamaru blanched, turning white as bone porcelain. He then turned an interesting shade of green, before a wave of exhaustion seemed to come over him.

"Troublesome."

Hazō grimaced, "Yeah, assuming I live long enough I fully plan on Sealing away aspects of Sealing itself. Otherwise a given chakra capable person could theoretically end the world just by infusing some chakra into the scribbles their kid made."

The silence was deafening, and Hazō quickly continued, "THATS INCREDIBLY UNLIKELY. Really bad Sealing failures are generally related to the intent of the seal perverted by unaccounted for astrological variables. With a novice there's no intent, so the scope of the failure is much smaller."

The room relaxed, moderately.

"We'll trust your expertise Hazō, continue." Asuma wiped his face, stress billowing off him in waves.

"Right. Elemental mastery. A seal to turn off this weapon is not only possible, it's possible in any way I can imagine it, if I have the skill to bring it into being. With paper Sealing I'd likely need to dedicate the rest of my life to this project, and thus wouldn't be able to offer it as a solution. Chakra diffusion is just too big of an issue, and paper seals don't work with nearly enough chakra to punch through the ambient noise"

Hazō lipped his suddenly dry lips, finding he needed a new movement to do so.

"I'm on the verge of being able to create 3D seals, my control just isn't fine enough, though there are a couple other things I want to try. Once I can, I'll make an anti-EM-apocalypse seal. If the range can hit the whole EN from wherever I put it great, if not we can either build copies secretly all over the place, or loop in other village leaders into our cabal to directly get permission, hell maybe we could even sync that up to the next chūnin exams to start negotiating."

Shikamaru spoke, "Hazō... even if your plan works, look at the numbers. You're betting on finishing a research project in a field that you haven't broken into yet that hasn't been touched since the sage himself, at the cost of a 10% inc-"

"8%. Your math was bad and you forgot to account for NOBURI."

Shikamaru huffed, "fine, an 8% chance for civilization to end. Hazō, at the upper end there are 500 men, women, and children in Isan. Their continued existence puts the lives of all humanity, including themselves, at risk. There are 2.5 million people in the elemental nations, as far as we are aware. If this decision is hard, that is us saying that a 100% chance for 500 people to die is equivalent or worse to an 8% chance for 2.5 million people to die. This is the calculus of putting a value on life - which is worse? 500 people dying or the equivalent of 200,000 people dying?"

Kei grew angry, "Why do you insist on being pessismistic?!"

The room stared at Kei in silence. Mari considered dispelling.

"Those calculations fail to take the..." Kei glared at Hazō, "Hazō factor into account. If we are presupposing a world where we can prevent elemental mastery from ending the world directly rather than removing all knowledge of it, then obviously we are going to have more tools at our disposal by the time we do so! Our job will get easier!"

An anbu agent entered and signed, two sharp movement that Asuma had been dreading.

"I need to leave now if we are going to have a chance this year. I'll think on the way. " A stone faced Hokage stood and moved to leave, when he found a shaking lord Gōketsu standing in front of him.

"Sir. Just buy me time, please. All I need is more time. I don't think killing Isan will truly solve the problem, and will just end with 500 fewer allies against the dark". Hazō forced himself to look up, past the field gear, past the chakdar slipped under Asuma's vest, and finally to his eyes.

Hazō shook at the still distant look in his Kage's eyes.

"I'll think on the way."
 
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped is Sasuke a special jounin or a jounin? Or does Leaf not distinguish between the ranks? Also, what's his specialty if he's a special jounin?
Sasuke is a cheating eyeballs ninjutsu special jōnin. In Leaf, being a special jōnin is more of a case of bragging rights and occasionally being able to pull rank than a fundamental change in one's standing within the Leaf military.
 
Sasuke is a cheating eyeballs ninjutsu special jōnin. In Leaf, being a special jōnin is more of a case of bragging rights and occasionally being able to pull rank than a fundamental change in one's standing within the Leaf military.
Well, I'd complain he's cheating with his bloodline to master ninjutsu like that but we're doing the same thing with ours to master Sealing :V

EDIT: Hey @Paperclipped , about those proposed IN stunts of yours/mine/various others... do you think Sasuke would qualify as a valid teacher for some of them 👁️👁️
 
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