How is odr gain calculated? What multiplier do we apply on the total orthstirr?
Lowest Aspect divided by 9, result rounding down
Also, @Imperial Fister, yesterday you said that the Asvir community thinks of Halla and Abjorn as generous and honourable, but nothing about their prowess? Do they not have any impression of things we may have achieved, like on our raid, or the fight in Horra's compound which earned us a ship as a massive reward?
As Deadman says, your strength is notable, but not out of the ballpark of someone who actually managed to meet the expectations of adulthood.
Just caught up to the story yesterday, 2 updates ago. I'm loving the fleshed out setting and cultivation mysteries. I've got so many loose questions and thoughts, I might need to actually sit down and write a list.
Welcome to the party! I'm always down to answer questions, so lemme at 'em!

...Just, don't get mad if I accidently miss them. It's not intentional, I just have a god-awful memory.
Gabriel | Jean D'Arc OTP.

...ok I may be a few (a lot) centuries out there.
We did have that fate servant sheet for Halla a few pages back, the gate has been opened

And circling back to the durability battle continuation thing for a second. Thanks to the way Endurance works, Halla could, technically, get decapitated and be ultimately fine the moment that she got 2 Endurance. 1 Damage is enough to kill a mortal, which includes cutting that mortal's head off. 1 Damage done to a Norseman is still enough to kill a mortal in a single blow, it's just that Norsemen are a half-step beyond mortal, so they say 'no' to dying. That's the reason you don't see any 'stop the heart' moves, because they're not just useless against a Norseman who can just punch their heart into working again, you're actively feeding their legend by feeding them things to just shrug off with minimal effort.

*Slaps Gabriel on his plate* and this here man, ladies, slew over 1400 troll-men by himself.
This bad boy can fit so much chivalry
 
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Oh, I got a meow!

... I am actually curious as to how on or off the mark I am with my assertions on the nature of the spear and sword. Do such discussion contribute to Halla's understanding of the spear and sword?
 
"And there she goes again!" A chorus of laughter follows Stigr's words as you wave your arms around, trying to salvage some ounce of pride — all while your face, neck, and upper chest burn as red as the hair topping your head.
Okay, so new idea: We develop a Trick that takes the heat from our face and uses it to blast fire and flames outward against whatever foe is nearby.

It would be a de facto love-powered fire cannon!
 
It's actually interesting on how the explicit leader of the gods in the Norse Saga knows Seidr. And I think in some sagas he even raises Draugr (for more knowledge). Yet Norse society disparages men knowing Seidr. Odin even has disguises, when it's considered Odrengskapr to not be declaring where you're going around. Of course, he's also super deadly, etc.

Interestingly Odin has four Fylgjur, 2 ravens and 2 wolves.

.. Can we get multiple Fylgjur? Would definitely reduce the risk of any one of them dying.

(Halla's really following in the footsteps of Odin. Be very dangerous, get as much knowledge, she even has a disguise!)
 
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All I can think about is the car salesmen meme at this moment.

*Slaps Gabriel on his plate* and this here man, ladies, slew over 1600 troll-men by himself.
This bad boy can fit so much chivalry

affordable chivalric hero for families on the go.png

Unrelatedly and unironically, we should maybe look into getting Gabriel a horse at some point, and perhaps horses for ourselves and our other key retainers at some point?

It'd be expensive as hell, but on the other hand, horse breeding might actually be pretty lucrative if we make it a side-gig for our farm. Hasevir knows a thing or two about horses IIRC, so maybe we could ask him, even offer to partner up.
 
Oh huh, Shapecrafting must be really good for animal herding.

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Hey Blackhand, do you know why my aspects 'naturally' balance out even when I do things like binding my Virthing and Saemd together?

Was it always that way, since it seems like the sort of thing The Enemy wouldn't want, since making us manually balance aspects for cultivation seems like something it would want.
 
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What Hugareida would we need for something like Master Spark @Imperial Fister?
I literally only listen to covers of the music, I know nothing about those games. You're gonna have to explain that one to me.
Hey Blackhand, do you know why my aspects 'naturally' balance out even when I do things like binding my Virthing and Saemd together?
'I do not. I would imagine it is nothing more than a natural phenomenon, like water staying relatively level.'
 
I literally only listen to covers of the music, I know nothing about those games. You're gonna have to explain that one to me.

'I do not. I would imagine it is nothing more than a natural phenomenon, like water staying relatively level.'

Oh, since I've been meaning to ask, what would be a good first step if we wanted to learn more about Steel and how to forge it?

Also since I'm curious, are there any legendary bronze weapons still knocking around in our part of the world? Does anyone still make stuff out of bronze? I ask because historically bronze was often better than early iron, but obviously that might not be true here.
 
I literally only listen to covers of the music, I know nothing about those games. You're gonna have to explain that one to me.

'I do not. I would imagine it is nothing more than a natural phenomenon, like water staying relatively level.'

It's a big-ass magical laser that just goes 'Fuck everything in a line from my outstretched hands"

Here's a good pile of examples of it.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wznfELxkEds&ab_channel=MarisaKirisame
 
Oh, since I've been meaning to ask, what would be a good first step if we wanted to learn more about Steel and how to forge it?

Forging Steel at present violates one of the First Laws of Sorcery, which is to say. "Do not Call Up that which you cannot Put Down at need"

By definition, Steel cannot be Put Down, it's Eternal. It's also apparently Evil, which doesn't help.
 
By definition, Steel cannot be Put Down, it's Eternal. It's also apparently Evil, which doesn't help.

Not necessarily evil, but it seems to be conceptually fucked and the equivalent of nuclear/toxic waste to the world, so there's that.

I wonder if there's an intelligence behind Steel?

'Hey, Blackhand, what do you know of Steel?'

And circling back to the durability battle continuation thing for a second. Thanks to the way Endurance works, Halla could, technically, get decapitated and be ultimately fine the moment that she got 2 Endurance. 1 Damage is enough to kill a mortal, which includes cutting that mortal's head off. 1 Damage done to a Norseman is still enough to kill a mortal in a single blow, it's just that Norsemen are a half-step beyond mortal, so they say 'no' to dying. That's the reason you don't see any 'stop the heart' moves, because they're not just useless against a Norseman who can just punch their heart into working again, you're actively feeding their legend by feeding them things to just shrug off with minimal effort.

That, uh, definitely sounds like at least an A in durability, lmao.

Would Halla (or any other Norsemen, for that matter) be able to survive their entire head being destroyed? Brain and all?

[X] +1 to attaining true understanding of the Atgeir
[X] A dangling plot thread from me, Imperial Fister
 
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I think it's really interesting that we can potentially gain Orthsirr from our glory spreading amongst non-Norsemen. It indicates to me that what defines Norsemen as special is the ability to *gain* Orthsirr. Not generate Orthsirr. Anyone or perhaps rather any human can generate Orthsirr. And possibly all external powers are ultimately human derived, but I am less sure about that.

In fact I suspect that Gabriel could potentially gain Fervor from the faith of non-Christians. Pending how Fervor works, but I suspect that all External Powers like Orthsirr, Vaki, Fervor do not fundamentally conflict. It might be possible for us to gain Fervor from Blots even. Not a lot though, I suspect. Actually is that part of why gods are long-lived? Fervor increases people's lifespan? Or maybe that's only Zeal.

It might be possible for Norse Society or in fact societies in general to support multiple types of External Power. This would make multicultural societies extremely powerful due to basically stacking the power sources of multiple cultivation systems together. A Norseman in a society where he doesn't have to compete with as many other Norseman for Orthsirr could get shittons of Orthsirr.
 
Forgive me if this has been discussed to death before, but what happens if you tell someone about odr after you're dead?
Carve a guide on the underside of your hearthstone for people to discover years later when the house is demolished, etc.
 
And circling back to the durability battle continuation thing for a second. Thanks to the way Endurance works, Halla could, technically, get decapitated and be ultimately fine the moment that she got 2 Endurance. 1 Damage is enough to kill a mortal, which includes cutting that mortal's head off. 1 Damage done to a Norseman is still enough to kill a mortal in a single blow, it's just that Norsemen are a half-step beyond mortal, so they say 'no' to dying. That's the reason you don't see any 'stop the heart' moves, because they're not just useless against a Norseman who can just punch their heart into working again, you're actively feeding their legend by feeding them things to just shrug off with minimal effort.
Oh, man, the Chinese tour will be fun!
All that efficiency, all the sure kill moves...
And only the more ancient ones will know what the hell is going on lol.

Learning about the soul there would be interesting though.

And I still find it fucking funny that the Norse have "Everyone dies" as a core tenet, yet they are so damn hard to kill.
.. Can we get multiple Fylgjur? Would definitely reduce the risk of any one of them dying.
Probably at higher ranks? Like, I could see it as a trade of of one big and strong or more but weak/versatile fyjgla.

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Forgive me if this has been discussed to death before, but what happens if you tell someone about odr after you're dead?
Carve a guide on the underside of your hearthstone for people to discover years later when the house is demolished, etc.
Iirc no concrete answer on writing it down but I am at work, so can't really search effectively...
 
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Could we write an autobiography and then relax as that spreads and grants us orthstirr? Assuming that it would even spread to begin with. I don't think proper books are a thing yet, either, just scrolls.

I don't really believe in the idea myself, but it'd be cool if it worked.
 
Could we write an autobiography and then relax as that spreads and grants us orthstirr? Assuming that it would even spread to begin with. I don't think proper books are a thing yet, either, just scrolls.

I don't really believe in the idea myself, but it'd be cool if it worked.

Funnily enough, the Norse don't really do writing as a means of passing down information, they do writing for spells and decoration. But a lot of Runestones apparently translate to "I, (X PERSON), carved this runestone here in this year"

Halla realizing "Oh hey, we can actually write things down to pass information along" was actually a paradigm shifting realization, and it only took three years for her to figure it out!
 
Forging Steel at present violates one of the First Laws of Sorcery, which is to say. "Do not Call Up that which you cannot Put Down at need"

By definition, Steel cannot be Put Down, it's Eternal. It's also apparently Evil, which doesn't help.

So yes, I agree that willy-nilly experimentation is not what we want, but our current knowledge of the specifics here is so vague that I'd like to know more about *why* it's cursed, is more my thing.

Is it because Steel represents a human attempt to force an immutable work of artifice on the world, which is hubristic? Or because it's essentially the apex of weaponcraft, and permanently shaping part of the universe into something made only for hurting people has a karmic debt? Some other reason?

To be clear, this isn't just about Halla learning to forge steel, which might be really useful, or we might not want to do if the price is too high. It's because Steel seems to be an important part of our world which is relevant and also potentially really dangerous to Halla; our brother has a mysterious backstory involving learning to forge it, our grandfather was killed by men using it, and it seems like a safe bet that Halla or one of her descendants will have to face a Steelfather themselves at some point.

To put it another way: if it turns out that so much as hammering steel once is poisonous for Odr cultivation and Halla should absolutely not learn it, that would still be really useful information to learn sooner rather than later! I'm not saying we should take any big risks to learn more, but it absolutely needs to be on the agenda and something we're actively looking into, in my view.
 
Odin too knew Seidr.

Yes. He's the establishing individual for 'so badass nobody says anything about it'. Well, Loki does, but nobody else.

And gets mocked for it. He just doesn't give a fuck.

Only by Loki, basically. Though no, he gave zero fucks.

Unrelatedly and unironically, we should maybe look into getting Gabriel a horse at some point, and perhaps horses for ourselves and our other key retainers at some point?

Buying horses is on the list for our livestock buying trip. But Gabriel would need a Cultivator/Spirit Beast warhorse if he's gonna go into battle on it. We do not have one of those and are unlikely to in the future.

It'd be expensive as hell, but on the other hand, horse breeding might actually be pretty lucrative if we make it a side-gig for our farm. Hasevir knows a thing or two about horses IIRC, so maybe we could ask him, even offer to partner up.

Nah, that's Knappr...the one who hates us.

In fact I suspect that Gabriel could potentially gain Fervor from the faith of non-Christians. Pending how Fervor works, but I suspect that all External Powers like Orthsirr, Vaki, Fervor do not fundamentally conflict. It might be possible for us to gain Fervor from Blots even. Not a lot though, I suspect. Actually is that part of why gods are long-lived? Fervor increases people's lifespan? Or maybe that's only Zeal.

I think that, while not strictly 'internal' Fervor is still based on your own faith, not that of others, though I'm not certain of that, I admit. I am pretty certain that Fervor is specifically based on the user's faith in the Christian God and we could thus only gain it if we converted. Which might not be impossible to combine with Orthstirr, mind you, but I don't think we can get it without the religion.

Forgive me if this has been discussed to death before, but what happens if you tell someone about odr after you're dead?
Carve a guide on the underside of your hearthstone for people to discover years later when the house is demolished, etc.

We don't know how passing it on in writing works. It may even work to avoid an Enemy attack even while we're still alive. The issue with testing that (though we will eventually) is that we need to be ready for if it does count and triggers an Enemy attack.

Is it because Steel represents a human attempt to force an immutable work of artifice on the world, which is hubristic? Or because it's essentially the apex of weaponcraft, and permanently shaping part of the universe into something made only for hurting people has a karmic debt? Some other reason?

Evidence suggests that some malevolent force actively made it happen. That's certainly what the Finnish myth says. It may also have something to do with the Sea Peoples and the Bronze Age collapse, per this:

Lemme put it this way: the Sea Peoples used steel. Steel is fucked up for everyone on an existential level. The more steel there is, the worse things seem to get.

Though that may well be more example than origin.
 
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Buying horses is on the list for our livestock buying trip. But Gabriel would need a Cultivator/Spirit Beast warhorse if he's gonna go into battle on it. We do not have one of those and are unlikely to in the future.

We don't actually know if the cultivator animals Knights bond (?) with are born that way, learn it themselves, or are taught.
 
We don't actually know if the cultivator animals Knights bond (?) with are born that way, learn it themselves, or are taught.

This is true. I doubt, however, that Gabriel can do it casually, and he may not be able to do it at all. If it is induced, I highly doubt it's done so by the Squire themselves in most cases...it seems likely to be a specialty discipline like Shapecrafting.

But even if I'm wrong on that, we don't have access to any warhorses anyway, so the point stands.
 
I wonder if speaking about the secrets of Odr in a language that isn't Norse would work.
 
I wonder if speaking about the secrets of Odr in a language that isn't Norse would work.

Probably not, but we can certainly try it when the time comes.

Like, the plan for when we do disclosure is very much 'try a bunch of different methods starting with the least likely to trigger it and escalating from there' with appropriate pauses to see which might work to pass along info without triggering it.
 
It will be a great spite move though.
We are captured and the defenses are too tight to escape? Divulge the secret.
We are gonna die in a hard battle anyway, but need to secure time for escape? Fight while we can, then spit out the secret.
We are in a foregone land and are about to die?
Just spill the secret and enjoy the fireworks!
 
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