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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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As I see it the problem with the Slayer oath was, and remains, that it requires you to die to absolve your dishonor, rather than the act of taking and living the oath being what absolves the dishonor.
 
Byzantine said:
It does, but it's still the Gotrek problem, where being too good at it increases the punishment infinitely for no real reason.
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The fact that the oath is only considered fulfilled when you die is what causes slayers to go around barechested and actively try to die when they fight. It is also what distinguishes it from just joining a militant group within the priesthood though, so good luck changing it.
 
could always go up to a priest of grimnir and say they are wrong cause grimnir ain't dead? so their interpretation is wrong cause grimnir's doomed march never caused him to die, just that he went on that march?
 
tri2 said:
could always go up to a priest of grimnir and say they are wrong cause grimnir ain't dead? so their interpretation is wrong cause grimnir's doomed march never caused him to die, just that he went on that march?
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That would require basically unquestionable evidence Grimnir wasn't dead if you don't want to experience many, many, MANY angry priests to remind you that a priest of a war god is going to be very good at war.

Like, in absolute abstract you aren't wrong. But the evidence you'd need is like, Grimnir standing there and glowering at them.
 
ArchAIngel said:
That would require basically unquestionable evidence Grimnir wasn't dead if you don't want to experience many, many, MANY angry priests to remind you that a priest of a war god is going to be very good at war.

Like, in absolute abstract you aren't wrong. But the evidence you'd need is like, Grimnir standing there and glowering at them.
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sounds like a reason to figure out a way to go up to the chaos gates and temporarily relieve grimnir for a bit so he can grumble at the beardlings a bit
 
tri2 said:
sounds like a reason to figure out a way to go up to the chaos gates and temporarily relieve grimnir for a bit so he can grumble at the beardlings a bit
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We could also like, not get involved in the politics of another Cult. Like hell, aren't we having enough problems with politics already? Should we make the priests of Grimnir unhappy on top of all the Runelords who are already pissed?
 
Slayers are here to stay, unfortunately. The only thing, I think, that would have changed their stance is if Snorri mentioned what Grimnir personally said to us before heading North, and even then I don't think it won't change much. Slayer oath is here to stay.
 
This plan is the same as Bungie's while compressing purgation this turn. It keeps Bungie's Spite talisman combo (Spite, spellturning, gazul's flame). Expurgation is literally 1 action to finish compressing which is insane.

Edit: I've been informed understanding MSpite is instant without needing action investment, so adding that in as well.

[X] Plan Turn 50 Expurgation, Structural Siphoning, Dragons, War Prep
-[X] Snorri/Karstah
-[X] Movement of Things 2 Snorri
-[X] Drakk Rearing 1 Snorri
-[X] Design Spite Talisman, "Zharr-a-Drakhazi" 1 Snorri
-[X] Compress a Combo: Expurgation 1 Snorri
-[X] Odd Wyrm's Blood 1 Research
-[X] A Wonderful Endeavour 2 Karstah
--[X] Petition the Hold 45 Drakk Favor
-[X] Understand a Master Rune: MSpite Instant

-[X] Retainer/Orders
-[X] Waywarding 1 Retainer
-[X] Training Regime Pt1 1 Retainer
--[X] Drakk Expertise 30 Drakk Favor
--[X] Ornsmotek Expertise 60 Favor with Kraka Ornsmotek
--[X] Ravnsvake Expertise 40 Favor with Cult of Valaya
-[X] A Wonderful Endeavour 1 Retainer
-[X] Order: T4 Magma Wyrm's Lung
-[X] Order 2: T4 Elder Stonehorn's Eye 15 Grom Favor
--[X] Royal Expedite x2 30 Kraka Grom Favor
-[X] Order 3: T4 Elder Stone Troll's Blood 15 Grom Favor
--[X] Royal Expedite x2 30 Kraka Grom Favor Number 2
-[X] Order 4: Kraken Corpse
--[X] Royal Authority 10 Kraka Grom Favor
-[X] Order 5: Elder Kraken Eyes
--[X] Royal Authority 15 Kraka Grom Favor
-[X] [Difficult] Coronation Gift Pt. 1:
--[X] Accept

[X] Plan Turn 50: Back With A Vengeance
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Prince Malekith of Nagarythe [Limited]
[X] [Social:] Skarri Dolgisson
[X] [Social:] Menlinwen
 
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[X] Plan Varried Drakk Rearing
-[X] Snorri/Karstah
-[X] Movement of Things 2 Snorri
-[X] Drakk Rearing 1 Snorri 1 Retainer
-[X] Design Spite Talisman, "Zharr-a-Drakhazi" 1 Snorri
-[X] Odd Wyrm's Blood 1 Research
-[X] A Wonderful Endeavour 2 Karstah 1 Snorri
--[X] Petition the Hold 45 Drakk Favor
-[X] Waywarding 1 Retainer
-[X] Training Regime Pt1 1 Retainer
--[X] Drakk Expertise 30 Drakk Favor
--[X] Ornsmotek Expertise 60 Favor with Kraka Ornsmotek
--[X] Ravnsvake Expertise 40 Favor with Cult of Valaya
-[X] Order 1: T4 Magma Wyrm's Lung 15 Kraka Drakk Favor
-[X] Order 2: T4 Elder Stonehorn's Eye 15 Kraka Grom Favor
--[X] Royal Expedite x2 30 Kraka Grom Favor
-[X] Order 3: T4 Elder Stone Troll's Blood 15 Kraka Grom Favor
--[X] Royal Expedite x2 30 Kraka Grom Favor 2
-[X] [Difficult] Coronation Gift Pt. 1:
--[X] Accept

This is copied from @BungieONI's plan, but swaps the second Snorri action on Drakk Rearing with the Retainer action on Khazagar. This way, we can have our young Drakks grow acclimated to interacting with many dwarfs, instead of just all Snorri all the time. And it doesn't hurt our completion plans for Khazagar but instead has a 50% chance to save us an action there next turn.
 
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[X] Plan: Magical Mayhem
-[X] Training Regime Pt. 1 [1 Retainer]
--[X] Drakk Expertise [30 Kraka Drakk Favour]
--[X] Ornsmotek Expertise [+1 Action, 60 Kraka Ornsmotek Favour]
--[X] Ravnsvake Expertise [+1 Action, 40 Cult of Valaya Favour sub.]
-[X] Waywarding [1 Retainer]
-[X] [Simple] A Wonderful Endeavour [2 Heir]
--[X] Petition the Hold [45 Kraka Drakk Favour]
-[X] Drakk Rearing [1 Retainer]
-[X] [Difficult] Coronation Gift Pt. 1
--[X] Accept
-[X] [Difficult] The Movement of Things Pt. 6 [2 AP]
-[X] [Difficult] The Rune Metal Pt. 6 [3 AP]
-[X] [Simple] Odd Wyrm's Blood Pt. 2 [1 Research]
-[X] Order 1: T4 Magma Wyrm's Lung [15 Kraka Drakk Favor]
-[X] Order 2: T4 Elder Stonehorn's Eye [15 Kraka Grom Favor]
--[X] Royal Expedite x2 [30 Kraka Grom Favor]
-[X] Order 3: T4 Elder Stone Troll's Blood [15 Kraka Grom Favor]
--[X] Royal Expedite x2 [30 Kraka Grom Favor]

My plan as before, just with the Orders included now.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Prince Malekith of Nagarythe [Limited]
[X] [Social:] Skarri Dolgisson
[X] [Social:] Menlinwen
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Compressing Expurgation won't be finished anytime soon, I don't believe it worth it.
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It is, literally, one action. The math has been done.
1 + 2 x [7 - 3 (Odd Specialty) - 1 (Master of the Odd ) - 1 (Talisman specialty) - 1 (Talent for Talismans) - 1 (Soul of the Earth)] = 1 + 0 = 1 action to compress

Oh, voting is open! Righty-ho then.

SO. This plan has a combo I think is more likely to work than Bungie's, and due to us having some good Ring ideas for Expurgation, accepting the Coronation. It's Whitebeard, guys, c'mon.

[X] Plan Turn 50 Expurgation, Structural Siphoning, Dragons, War Prep

[X] Plan Turn 50: Back With A Vengeance
-[X] Snorri/Karstah
-[X] Movement of Things 2 Snorri
-[X] Drakk Rearing 1 Snorri 1 Retainer
-[X] Compress Master Rune of Expurgation(Talismanic Combo) 1 Snorri
-[X] Design Spite Talisman, "Returning Vengeance" 1 Snorri (A Master Rune of Spite, Rune of Fury, Rune of Grudges(Chaos) setup on Adamant, to thoroughly ruin the Fimir's day.)
-[X] Odd Wyrm's Blood 1 Research
-[X] A Wonderful Endeavour 2 Karstah
--[X] Petition the Hold 45 Drakk Favor
-[X] Understand the Master Rune of Spite (0AP due to Complexity Equation)

-[X] Retainer/Orders
-[X] Waywarding 1 Retainer
-[X] Training Regime Pt1 1 Retainer
--[X] Drakk Expertise 30 Drakk Favor
--[X] Ornsmotek Expertise 60 Favor with Kraka Ornsmotek
--[X] Ravnsvake Expertise 40 Favor with Cult of Valaya
-[X] Order: T4 Magma Wyrm's Lung
-[X] Order 2: T4 Elder Stonehorn's Eye 15 Grom Favor
--[X] Royal Expedite x2 30 Kraka Grom Favor
-[X] Order 3: T4 Elder Stone Troll's Blood 15 Grom Favor
--[X] Royal Expedite x2 30 Kraka Grom Favor
-[X] Order 4: Kraken Corpse
--[X] Royal Authority 10 Kraka Grom Favor
-[X] Order 5: Elder Kraken Eyes
--[X] Royal Authority 15 Kraka Grom Favor
-[X] [Difficult] Coronation Gift Pt. 1: [Cost: 1 action] Due end of turn 55. Gain 1 Standing with Karaz a Karak. If a Rune you want requires special ingredients that you don't have access to I will alert you. Apply optional reagent materials here. This request will time out by the beginning of Turn 51. Gloin has come to you with a request. Create something to celebrate the coronation of the High King. Already there are several Holds that Gloin knows of who are scrambling to do the same. If you really think about it, he implies, its a contest to see who can make the best gift. Cheeky lad.
--[X] Accept
 
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