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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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weeblypanda said:
While putting a lot of cards on the table is kinda a risk the fact that Horra has deep ties here means he needs to be put over the fire before people would be willing to throw him under the bus. By framing it as him trying to reignite a fued HE was on the losing end in his 'home town' puts him in the dog house
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Yep, that's the idea. We might have been thinking about doing so, but we took no concrete acts beyond scoping out what our legal options were until we had genuine cause to look into it. Then we started to work at nailing him to the fucking wall.

Even with that, I'm sure he's got some ablative armor, he can probably sow doubt, but he's going to have to put those chips into play and dig the hole deeper, which is when we got to the knife with the Sanctum.
 
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Alectai said:
Yep, that's the idea. We might have been thinking about doing so, but we took no concrete acts beyond scoping out what our legal options were until we had genuine cause to look into it.
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Added to the fact that we asked the Jarl (son) about will add to that. We took precautions and ASKED permission (which we were told not to escalate) before he went and reignited the fued.

Edit: Sure we killed his son but then we were a kid and we paid already
 
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Joking aside, Horra really went all in with his alpha strike here. A +10 from Sheer Bribery (And presumably Deep Rooted Family) was nuts, especially since it also had to pull him out of his Odrengskapr hole to boot. Is that Gigantic Modifier going to be in place for the whole trial @Imperial Fister ? Or was it just his big alpha strike to hopefully shut us down before the trial even began? Which we ended up equalizing through Sheer Weight of Deeds and Words?

Also, will our Frenzy be applying now that the Social Battle is joined?

weeblypanda said:
Added to the fact that we asked the Jarl (son) about will add to that. We took precautions and ASKED permission (which we were told not to escalate) before he went and reignited the fued.

Edit: Sure we killed his son but then we were a kid and we paid already
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That son got better, and it was an attack they provoked and the Weregild was paid and everything was all legally settled. He can't claim that was cause to re-ignite the feud because legally, it was all sorted out.
 
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[X] Plan: Start with the Reason

We never killed a Horrason, we killed a Burisson. And anyway, they were the ones who provoked us.
 
[X] Plan: Start with the Reason

The troll is a good place to lay a foundation for *why* we were investigating him, yeah. The pivot to selling sun weapons to the dwarves doesn't feel like the *most* graceful thing possible, but it does need to be brought up I suppose.
 
Alectai said:
that through clever words you brought it to believe that it had been betrayed by the one who offered it a 'Home' in this place, as long as it defended the Scorn-Pole
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i am unsure if the bolded part is good, but then, i am bad at grammar and word play. it is true, but can it bite us?
Alectai said:
After all, have we not been living as neighbors in the same valley peaceably for many years now?
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*Steinarr wants to know Horra's location*
Im sure everybody knows of his intentions. and he asked around for a good shapecrafter too.
people didnt even looked into his eyes while staying silent or avoiding the topic.....
Alectai said:
and the sudden infusion of sun-infused armaments currently being wielded by the Lurkalings
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we did not personally saw this, so i am unsure if it can be use, but we are a dwarf friend of the Ducklings, so there is that.
Alectai said:
Nope! Birb Gacha found a twig, we didn't take anything from Horra's territory ever, we were actually careful about that!
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pedantic, i know, but we did took the knowledge of what our fygla saw on his farm.

edit: typo
 
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Wiggy said:
[X] Plan: Start with the Reason

The troll is a good place to lay a foundation for *why* we were investigating him, yeah. The pivot to selling sun weapons to the dwarves doesn't feel like the *most* graceful thing possible, but it does need to be brought up I suppose.
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It's a contingency in case he tries to blame us for the stolen ballista, and then we go "This? Why, we intercepted it on the way to the camp of Jordan Sharkmouth--vikingr raiding our valley, it was yours? How curious, how you--one who wields Sun-Forged Iron has acquired Dwarf-Designed Armaments, right around the same time a hostile clan of Dwarves began hostilities with our neighbors the Ducklings--wielding Sun-Forged Iron if the testimony of my friend Toki is any indication."

Not outright accusing him, but dropping the possibility in.
 
When Horra inevitably claims ignorance about the bullshit happening on his land and/or his stuff getting shipped to bandits, we should ask if he is admitting to being too weak/stupid to manage his family/land. Hurt his image some.
 
I don't think it's smart of him to accuse us of the ballista. Maybe he is going a different route? He probably has some bullshit up his sleeve.
 
weeblypanda said:
I don't think it's smart of him to accuse us of the ballista. Maybe he is going a different route? He probably has some bullshit up his sleeve.
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That's the only possible thing he has that we can't just go "Lol, we've got nothing to do with that."

The only conceivable edge case would be the Sealwood Twig. But we can truthfully say we have no idea where that came from.
 
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[X] Plan: Start with the Reason

The Troll and Scorning-Pole are incentive enough to "trespass" and draw our attention towards a potential threat, which bore additional investigation. It's not Halla's fault that Horra did a shit job covering up his tracks when he dealt insult and offense to her family.
 
Dr. Dinosaur said:
When Horra inevitably claims ignorance about the bullshit happening on his land and/or his stuff getting shipped to bandits, we should ask if he is admitting to being too weak/stupid to manage his family/land. Hurt his image some.
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What we could do instead is ask if then one of his sons (or daughter is doing this) see if he is willing to throw them under the proverbial bus. It'll make him look even worse than just insulting him.
If he does then he is a bad father and looks more incompetant for not seeing it. If not he throws away the ability to transfer over guilt to them. Isolating him.
 
TheCount said:
maybe he did hide some stuff on our land, hence why he came late?
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That would be insanely stupid because that opens up an avenue of attack on him. He's accusing us of theft, but the only thing we actually stole is something that we can turn into an attack on him. We can straight up say, with no ambiguity. "I've stolen nothing from your lands, nor do I know anyone who's set foot in them or otherwise meddled there. If you're claiming that the weapon being shipped to the bandits was done so on your request though... Well, sure, is that the case though?"

Full stop, no wiggle words. Give no conceivable avenue in which that could potentially be spun as us using trickery.
 
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TheCount said:
ngl, i winced.
in most other situations, this would be a bad flag.... but cultural honor systems are weird.
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I mean, yeah, the opening you folks decided on was to point out how well respected you are.
KreenWarrior said:
@Imperial Fister how deeply should we elaborate our strategy? Alectai's plan is good but seems extensive for one "round" of social combat, so to speak.
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As deeply as you want.
Alectai said:
Is that Gigantic Modifier going to be in place for the whole trial @Imperial Fister ? Or was it just his big alpha strike to hopefully shut us down before the trial even began? Which we ended up equalizing through Sheer Weight of Deeds and Words?
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Horra is good at talking. The bonus will be lessened in the upcoming round of debate.

One important thing to note; Both of you can be guilty of breaking the law at the same time, this isn't a zero-sum game.
 
What laws have we potentially broken? (Other than the trespassing and spying)

Edit: I willing to bet that the trespassing will be a slap on the wrist; the spying not so much but with the plan it will be justified
 
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Imperial Fister said:
Horra is good at talking. The bonus will be lessened in the upcoming round of debate.

One important thing to note; Both of you can be guilty of breaking the law at the same time, this isn't a zero-sum game.
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Yep, I'm willing to take the Trespassing on the chin if it lets us justify everything else that followed. Also willing to admit to stealing the ballista if he admits that "Yep, I was selling weapons to a hostile Felagi, and how dare you get in my way."

Anything else he claims we 'Stole' is abject bullshit, because we didn't steal anything from him.

But yeah, he's good at talking (Which means we should keep spending Odr to close that gap, certainly, if not as much as from the alpha strike), but he's not "+10 Successes" good, especially since he's supposed to be on the Odrengskapr side of the Alignment Chart, which means he should be getting a penalty to Silver Tongue.
 
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