I.F. Ister
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Still works, no problem there.
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
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I could be wrong, but I suspect that lying during trial testimony is the kind of thing that fucks up your orthstirr something fierce. It may be possible to detect a perjurer (at least some of the time) just from that, enough that it tends to deter casual attempts at perjury to bring down an enemy.
I.F. Ister
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The sentence for the crime of perjury is a full outlawing
Alectai
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Of course, if someone's already Doing Shit that would get them a Full Outlawing, there's no further incentive not to lie out your ass, huh?
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I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.
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"It's official. Murdering this guy is now quadruple legal. We don't even know what that means, and are putting together a special research team to try and find out!"
I.F. Ister
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"The research obviously consists of murder. We have a number of volunteers to lead the team."
Alectai
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Yeah, I get the feeling that getting Horra Outlawed isn't the problem, it's revealing the sheer scope of how much he's been fucking with everyone while hiding behind his family relations that makes the final confrontation easier, because we gather more and more allies for each individual piece of Critical Evidence we found.
The trick is to lie in just the right way that, if they don't end up having enough evidence for the main case, they can't catch you in perjury ... but you're still making a strong enough claim that it weakens what evidence they do have.
Hey @Imperial Fister do Jarls have any kind of noblesse oblige style duty to those they ostensibly hold authority over as a pseudo-liege lord? Or is that only limited to Christiandom Social Spheres in this setting?
I.F. Ister
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Good question.
The answer is yes, absolutely.
A Jarl's job is to provide opportunities to earn orthstirr to his Karls. He does this through organizing raids and feasts, giving out rewards, and performing various miscellaneous tasks like officiating weddings and so on and so forth.
If a Jarl is not up to the task, then he can be killed and replaced with someone else.
A Karl is under no obligation to stick around under a shitty Jarl, either. A Karl is a free man, the only people he owes his loyalty are those he deems worthy of it.
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Upon proving one specific instance of murder, positively identifying one victim amidst a proverbial mass grave, is it the Jarl's responsibility then to investigate the rest in order to resolve the potential failure of that duty? Or does that still fall on the shoulders of the original accuser?
I.F. Ister
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Hmm, that's another good question.
I don't know historically, but we'll say that it does default to the Jarl for this quest.
Carrying out any sentencings still falls on the shoulders of the prosecutor or their family/supporters, though.
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If we can convince the Jarl to handle the draugr so as to do that I'll call it a win.
That's fine, then. So long as Halla doesn't need to ID each individual draugr or broken down corpse then its fine.
The fact we have one definitive example ID'd that was without a doubt one of the Karls underneath the ruling Jarl's aegis basically casts an entire wagon full of cowshit on their face, courtesy of Horra.
And such an insult would demand restitution, because I imagine not vigorously working to resolve that issue is gonna see the Jarl straight up mainlinig shit tons of nid for as long as they leave it hanging, though. That's a massive failure lol
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Who else did we bring to testimony? Our huskarls? Aki? Stigr?
They have all witnessed some of Horra schemes.
Who else did we bring to testimony? Our huskarls? Aki? Stigr?
They have all witnessed some of Horra schemes.
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...We've seen that even people like Wolfwind don't want to be seen crossing Horra, but they aren't particularly inclined to assist him either. There's a chance that there's a contingent of people who were afraid to risk pressing charges, but once Halla "bells the cat", then they would volunteer to dogpile him once open season has been declared.
One can hope, at least.
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Hey Blackhand,
Do you know why the Jarl of Jurdby might have wanted to officiate our wedding with Abjorn?
Would you have been able to recognize if Harald Wolfwind was under some kind of mind-affected Seidr?
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I hope Wolfwind is fine, even if unlikely. Nobody deserves being subject to Horra in any way.
Do you know why the Jarl of Jurdby might have wanted to officiate our wedding with Abjorn?
Would you have been able to recognize if Harald Wolfwind was under some kind of mind-affected Seidr?
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I hope Wolfwind is fine, even if unlikely. Nobody deserves being subject to Horra in any way.
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Not any that can be proven as his. Aki and Stigr saw the scorn pole itself, but so did Sten and Abjorn, but that isn't provable and bringing Tryggr and Trausti the former bandits is, uh, probably not a great plan.
All our evidence is either physical or Halla's own testimony.
I mean, he's almost certainly enslaved in some fashion but I think it's decently likely he's alive. Not certain or anything, but decently likely.
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I'm pretty sure the Norse aren't stupid enough to create a loophole in their legal system whereby you can essentially quash legal proceedings against you by going "lalala, I can't hear you" and never showing up to court. There'd be SOME kind of summary judgment equivalent or presumption of guilt associated with not showing up, surely.
Well, it's like I said, on a vaguer level.
I'm pretty sure you don't get enough of a rep and stack of badass deeds to become a Steelfather in Norse society by sitting on your ass and letting someone else solve the area's local murder-problems for you after those problems have long since escalated past what any individual normal warrior can deal with themselves.
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She should be able to, and indeed probably has to since that includes details of what to charge him with, though he loses the case by default since he's not there to argue against it.