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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Cariyaga said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @FaintlySorcerous Can I assume that Doing The Thing From FS's Omake also includes making sure we're not breaking leaf law in any way?
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Velorien said:
You should make sure there is a check with Asuma, as by default it is illegal to give out seals outside of your clan. Normally, the Tower has right of first refusal on any seal transactions, and would definitely buy any seals you are offering for free, but you may be able to convince Asuma to let you directly pass these seals to those in Leaf that need them most.
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Happily, I do precisely this.

If Asuma wants to tell us we can't give seals away then we're either going to lose a lot of them gambling, just give fucking money to clanless/poor genin, or tell him to go jump in a caldera.

And if that doesn't work, I will author, campaign, trade votes for, and expend every scrap of political capital at my disposal to enact a plan in which we employ the assistance of Rock Lee to become Youthsuit-Green Santa Claus and deliver packages of seals to all the good little clanless genin once a year on Sagemas, and when questioned by Asuma as to whether or not we have defied his orders, wide-eyed'ly deny it, insisting that we were, quote, "asweep".

And then we'll ask him if Sagema left him anything nice.

He can eat my entire ass if he wants to stop us doing something which will objectively positively impact Leaf at large at (significant) personal cost. This won't lose the Tower any money because these people weren't buying seals in the first place and if it does, as far as I'm concerned he can pass legislation raising taxes on clans which are currently claiming religious exemptions, or some other legislative slight-of-hand to make the Sage-be-dammed Hagoromo pay for it.
 
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[X] Action Plan: Life Carries On No Bank

Although Akane's death is under different circumstances than what happened to the other Goketsu, I also feel uncomfortable with the tone that a Akane foundation or bank would set. Just seems like a difference will be drawn up in how other the KEI and other clans might handle something like this vs the Goketsu. I guess I'm worried how this might be spun and can it inadvertently be perceived as an insult.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
Happily, I do precisely this.

If Asuma wants to tell us we can't give seals away then we're either going to lose a lot of them gambling, just give fucking money to clanless/poor genin, or tell him to go jump in a caldera. He can eat my entire ass if he wants to stop us doing something which will objectively positively impact Leaf at large.
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Your plan makes no concessions to checking with Asuma about that...? I have no idea what you're referring to here.
 
faflec said:
OK, uh, my intent was asking for a sanity check at the start of the plan; I think I may have not made things clear enough. Can we do this?
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There is complete coverage.
FaintlySorcerous said:
Leaf:
  • Tell Akane's parents. Support them.
  • Schedule an announcement.
  • Sanity check with Kei, Shikamaru, Kagome, Mari, Team Akane's families. Adjust seal bank if necessary. Run speech by Asuma, the KEI.
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I refuse to sanity-check telling Akane's parents or scheduling an announcement (per Asuma's orders). The rest is a check which covers the speech.
FaintlySorcerous said:
  • Shikamaru/Kei:
    • Invite Mari?
    • Venue: extremely private.
    • Tone: Venting. Furious. Grieving.
    • Hagoromo - what the fuck?
      • Ruka - dead? Imprisoned?
      • Ritsuo is at least indirectly culpable. What's being done?
      • Are the Goketsu in shit with Asuma? How deep? (Also ask Mari.)
      • Can Ami help?
    • What the fuck's being done about Akane?
      • Iron, Rice, Waterfall - anything?
      • Hidan may be able to track Akane via her blood. Hidan likes us. Can we use that? Frankly we're this close to finding him and asking ourselves.
      • Kei, Akane's seal loadout may have been compromised. How do we handle that for Goketsu and Leaf?
      • Can Ami help?
    • Oh, Orochimaru's probably going to kidnap Ren, figure out the Iron Nerve and solve 3D sealing.
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I am not going to sanity-check 'hey, people I'm going to rant at, can I rant at you'.
FaintlySorcerous said:
  • The rest:
    • Optimize with Kei/Mari.
    • The Goketsu are not, under any circumstances, to escalate or retaliate against the Hagoromo.
      • Ruka will see consequences.
      • Anything we do will serve a purpose. Bar fights serve no purpose.
      • Clear all Hagoromo interactions/ongoing plots with Mari.
      • Channel your grief and rage into productive endeavors. Talk to each other. Support each other. Mourn. Grieve. But don't be stupid.
    • Thank Naruto: he authorized the mission and Skywalkers.
    • Apologize to Lee. We snapped. He didn't deserve that.
    • Earthshape a (jade?) statue of Akane (ES 50).
    • Catch up on paperwork.
    • Spend time with friends, family.
    • Grieve.
  • Sealing Research
    • If Kagome approves (Hazo's mental state etc.) research Directional Explosives/the next Minato seal.
      • Eschew prep, use SSA, reroll -9/-12 on Sealing/Calligraphy rolls.
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This is sanity-checked.

I dislike on principle broad, overarching sanity checks: they aren't necessary, they aren't fun for the QMs, they aren't fun for the players (at least, me) and they aren't a magic invocation which will ward off bad ideas and implementations. Targeted, specific checks and optimizations make sense and are IMO more effective.
 
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Cariyaga said:
Your plan makes no concessions to checking with Asuma about that...? I have no idea what you're referring to here.
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I've made a very slight update: whereas I was only explicitly running the speech (IMO that also implies its contents) by Asuma and the KEI, I'm now doing it explicitly.
FaintlySorcerous said:
Sanity check with Kei, Shikamaru, Kagome, Mari, Team Akane's families. Adjust seal bank if necessary. Run the speech/bank by Asuma, the KEI.
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I'm really hoping that Asuma doesn't axe this as the plan gets pretty boring otherwise.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
There is complete coverage.

I refuse to sanity-check telling Akane's parents or scheduling an announcement (per Asuma's orders). The rest is a check which covers the speech.

I am not going to sanity-check 'hey, people I'm going to rant at, can I rant at you'.

This is sanity-checked.

I dislike on principle broad, overarching sanity checks: they aren't necessary, they aren't fun for the QMs, they aren't fun for the players (at least, me) and they aren't a magic invocation which will ward off bad ideas and implementations. Targeted, specific checks and optimizations make sense and are IMO more effective.
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And there's no chance you can add a "tell Mari you're gonna go vent at Shikamaru/Kei", I take it?
 
faflec said:
And there's no chance you can add a "tell Mari you're gonna go vent at Shikamaru/Kei", I take it?
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I don't have the wordcount and I'm pretty tired of staring at the plan. (I am not interested in changing how it is worded to insert what is IMO a superfluous check for something utterly sane, even if doing so would be a matter of copying and pasting.)

I removed the question mark on 'invite Mari', so she's coming.

In general (this is for everyone) I should not be considered open to adding broad sanity checks to plans, especially plans which already contain checks/optimizations, unless it is very clearly stated that this and only this will secure your vote (e.g., you can make other requests but whether I get your vote doesn't hinge on them), and said request is made in the first round of requests for changes.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
I don't have the wordcount and I'm pretty tired of staring at the plan. (I am not interested in changing how it is worded to insert what is IMO a superfluous check for something utterly sane, even if doing so would be a matter of copying and pasting.)

I removed the question mark on 'invite Mari', so she's coming.

In general (this is for everyone) I should not be considered open to adding broad sanity checks to plans, especially plans which already contain checks/optimizations, unless it is very clearly stated that this and only this will secure your vote (e.g., you can make other requests but whether I get your vote doesn't hinge on them), and said request is made in the first round of requests for changes.
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I really do think that ranting at Shikamaru is going to greatly reduce his opinion of us, and that a Mari sanity-check would keep such a situation from happening (ie she tells us not to vent/goes and info-gathers herself), hence my request to sanity-check. Mari being invited may reduce the situation from the worst-case scenario (she has Hazou wrangling experience), but it is too vague for me to feel comfortable.

I apologize for having spent your time on this, and will be unvoting accordingly.
 
Velorien said:
Jan 5, noon: Akane is assigned the mission. She notifies Gaku as Hazō is on the Seventh Path.
Jan 6, morning: Team Akane leaves the gates of Leaf.
Jan 6, (unknown time): Attackers enter Fire and find Team Akane's tracks.
Jan 6-7, (unknown time): Attackers engage Team Akane and leave the Fire Country.
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Someone check my timeline on this, but if it was Iwa, the spy would need to leave Leaf at ninja speed, travel to Iwa in a single day. And the ambushers would need to leave that next morning and run all day before attacking Akane that night, after running for 8 hours and not sleeping?

I didn't think it was Asuma, but coordinating this without foreknowledge of Akane's itinerary would be hard.

EDIT: Rock is ~320 miles from Leaf, so this is impossible. The attackers must have been waiting at the border. That's a big commitment to make for getting Akane. I assume the minimum force you'd send is a jounin + 2 chunin. You have no idea when she is going to leave Leaf on a mission that's in your strike range. So you spend possibly months waiting at the border for your chance. Although perhaps you have many capture teams like that waiting at the border for a HVT. Still that opens you up to getting defeated in detail by Naruto going on a rampage.
 
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Velorien said:
There are around 400 Academy graduates per year. Producing 4 seals per Academy graduate would take around two weeks of sealmaster time, or around two days of Hazou's full-SC time. Around half of the Academy graduates are clanless, so if you wanted to limit to clanless students who don't have a clan's money to buy seals, it would only take around one week of sealmaster time per year, or one full day of Hazou-SCs.
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Okay, this is very doable if the scope is sufficiently limited. @FaintlySorcerous would you consider editing your plan to clarify the scope of the seal bank/charity? i.e. who is eligible to receive seals and how many they get.
Velorien said:
Your junior sealmasters, Shinji and Kazushi, spend around five days per month paying their own and Hazou and Kagomes seal tax to the Tower. They spend another three days making seals to satisfy the clan's prodigious demand for explosives and storage seals. After that eats around a quarter of their month, they are free to do whatever they want, essentially. They may make more seals and sell them for their own pocket money, relax, train, or even do sealing research.

Thanks for the info, Velorien!
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Okay, adding another week or two per year on top of that seems fine. Although I think it would be a good idea to devise a more well-defined/lawful system for the seal tax.
Velorien said:
You should make sure there is a check with Asuma, as by default it is illegal to give out seals outside of your clan.
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QMs helping us avoid treason? This is deeply suspicious. On the other hand, it would be pretty funny if Hazō were to announce it before asking Asuma's permission. He could say something like 'with the Hokage's permission, I intend to blah blah blah', and if the idea is popular enough Asuma effectively can't say no.
 
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Major change to the plan in that I have added a seance attempt to find Akane, in the same vein as the previous attempt to find Jiraiya.
faflec said:
I'm iffy about the Seal Bank plan for a variety of reasons, so I've forked @FaintlySorcerous' plan and made some other edits he is free to take as he sees fit.
(yes, I'm a plagarizing hack)

[X] Action Plan: Life Carries On No Bank
Word count: ???
  • Break the news to Akane's parents.
  • The speech:
  • Earthshape stone in Akane's image. Preserve her memory.
  • Attempt a second seance to find Akane, using those things close to her.
  • The rest:
    • Instruct the Goketsu to not, under any circumstances, retaliate against the Hagoromo. No exceptions, no loopholing.
    • Thank Naruto: he authorized the mission and Skywalkers.
    • Apologize to Rock Lee. He didn't deserve that.
    • Spend time with friends and family.
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[X] Action Plan: Life Carries On No Bank
Loosely involves Jashin so I'll count it as part of my criteria

...wow I am just an unironic Jashin cultist now. I'm fine with this
 
Sir Stompy said:
I will vote for this if is has the Life Carries On sealing research section
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Sure.
faflec said:
I'm iffy about the Seal Bank plan for a variety of reasons, so I've forked @FaintlySorcerous' plan and made some other edits he is free to take as he sees fit.
(yes, I'm a plagarizing hack)

[X] Action Plan: Life Carries On No Bank
Word count: 299
  • Break the news to Akane's parents.
  • The speech:
  • Earthshape stone in Akane's image. Preserve her memory.
  • Attempt a second seance to find Akane, using those things close to her.
  • The rest:
    • Instruct the Goketsu to not, under any circumstances, retaliate against the Hagoromo. No exceptions, no loopholing.
    • Thank Naruto: he authorized the mission and Skywalkers.
    • Apologize to Rock Lee. He didn't deserve that.
    • Spend time with friends & family.
  • Sealing Research
    • If Kagome approves (Hazo's mental state etc.) research Directional Explosives/the next Minato seal.
      • Eschew prep, use SSA, reroll -9/-12 on Sealing/Calligraphy rolls.
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[X] Action Plan: Life Carries On

I don't love all parts of it, but a seance at this point I actively think would be harmful, so on we go.
 
Halberdier said:
[X] Action Plan: Life Carries On

I don't love all parts of it, but a seance at this point I actively think would be harmful, so on we go.
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Hm.

@RandomOTP @acidshill @Ishtar @cog-nito @Orisha91 @Shrooms @Twinnstars @Esryok @Kiba @AntiSanity One of the recent additions I have made to my plan is a seance to attempt to contact dead!Akane. Is anyone strictly opposed to this, such that they would want to remove their vote? And is anyone strictly supporting this, such that they would want to remove their vote if it gets removed?

I'm generally in favor of the seance but not to the point where it is a necessity to my plan. Let me know y'alls thoughts.
 
faflec said:
Hm.

@RandomOTP @acidshill @Ishtar @cog-nito @Orisha91 @Shrooms @Twinnstars @Esryok @Kiba @AntiSanity One of the recent additions I have made to my plan is a seance to attempt to contact dead!Akane. Is anyone strictly opposed to this, such that they would want to remove their vote? And is anyone strictly supporting this, such that they would want to remove their vote if it gets removed?

I'm generally in favor of the seance but not to the point where it is a necessity to my plan. Let me know y'alls thoughts.
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While I'm obviously not voting for this, I am strongly pro-seance but at least a week later. We only get one chance at it, most likely, and doing it now is an extra scene in a big plan and liable to go sideways given how upset we are.
 
faflec said:
One of the recent additions I have made to my plan is a seance to attempt to contact dead!Akane. Is anyone strictly opposed to this, such that they would want to remove their vote? And is anyone strictly supporting this, such that they would want to remove their vote if it gets removed?
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I'm not going to unvote because seal research is my single issue this cycle. But I do think waiting a bit until the feelings are less raw might be a good idea. The plan is pretty packed, so there's a good chance it will get offscreened. In which case it most likely will not work
 
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