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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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yrsillar said:
"Gui thinks that he can protect Big Sister better here. Grandmother and little Sister are still under the eyes of the big dragon king. Sisters people here only have Mr. Hugs and Zhengui."

"Mr. Hugs?" Ling Qi asked.

"Mhm, the red snake man. His arms are very strong, Gui bets he could break lots of things in them," her little brother said guilelessly.

She looked back into his innocent eyes. So why did it feel like he was leaving something out?
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Zhengui entering into the Husbando Propaganda game here :V

Zhen filtering his pro-snek bias through "innocent" Gui.
 
Doramas said:
Man, it really seems as if we should only start Center when we see we are hitting 8 permanent manpower in exactly 5 months. So it's better to do the other projects two at a time until reaching that point, so we can get their benefits.
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That part doesn't follow. All the boosts are useful, but not more useful than getting Hamlet early. At most, if we want quarry, we should start Admin Center in 2 months, but otherwise in just 1. So the only question is which exact bonuses do we want immediately.

I've edited my list-of-plans post with more analysis a couple times.

Doramas said:
Having them at 2/3 for a bit is fine though
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That's suboptimal. Once we get more Fishing upgrades, they will be strictly superior to Fields, so we'll generally fully-staff some buildings while ignoring or minimally staffing others.
 
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Okay, that's the 2 hour mark, moratorium's over:

[X] Plan Don't Run with Scissors
-[X] Subsistence Granary
-[X] Subsistence Pastures

Again, see my comparison between all plans.

Edit: approval voting since a scary number of people are taking the self-destructive Admin plans:

[X] Plan: Funny name
[X] Plan Sheep on a Boat
[] Plan: We Built This City On Rocks And Docks
(the last would take 7 turns, so I'm skipping it unless all 6-turn plans fail)
 
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[] Plan: I didn't want your vote anyway Neshuakadal
-[] I don't actually have a plan
-[] I'm about to go to bed, sue me

Edit: I admire this was added to an analysis post, can't help but respect the dedication.
 
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[X] Plan: Funny name
-[X] Subsistence Granary
-[X] Fishing Docks

[X] Plan: We Built This City On Rocks And Docks
-[X] Subsistence Quarry
-[X] Fishing Docks

[X] Plan Sheep on a Boat
-[X] Fishing Docks
-[X] Subsistence Pastures

[X] Plan: A Funny Name
-[X] Subsistence Granary
-[X] Subsistence Quarry

[X] Plan Don't Run with Scissors
-[X] Subsistence Granary
-[X] Subsistence Pastures
 
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[X] Plan: A Funny Name
-[X] Subsistence Granary
-[X] Subsistence Quarry

[X] Plan: We Built This City On Rocks And Docks
-[X] Subsistence Quarry
-[X] Fishing Docks
 
[X] Plan: Where We Dump the Leftovers & Paperwork
-[X] Administration Center
-[X] Subsistence Granary
 
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[X] Plan: Funny name
-[X] Subsistence Granary
-[X] Fishing Docks

[X] Plan: Where We Dump the Leftovers & Paperwork
-[X] Administration Center
-[X] Subsistence Granary


Food security as the priority for now, Granary isn't as much growth, but while we're distracted it does mean we can ride out various food logistics challenges.
 
[X] Plan: Where We Dump the Leftovers & Paperwork

Ultimately, we still need to get the Admin Center online as soon as possible, and it generates more Admin, which is the god stat for any settlement given how it's universal cost reductions the higher it gets.

It just means we need to spend another turn afterwards getting some more stuff sorted out before we continue. Which sucks, but them's the breaks.
 
Okay @yrsillar during my most recent edit, I discovered our stockpiles of Agriculture and Material are wrong. On previous turns we've taken three 25A projects but only been charged for two. Less significantly, we should've got some A from fish last month, along with our automatic +1M.

I vaguely recall seeing someone else make the same correction earlier, but a quick Google doesn't find anything easily ... if someone could link that post that'd be great.

I would once again like to remind people: completing Admin Center early gives us literally nothing of use. We have to take 6 turns for Hamlet anyway (or 7 if we want Quarry).
 
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[X] Plan: We Built This City On Rocks And Docks
-[X] Subsistence Quarry
-[X] Fishing Docks

I like this one because

1. Even if we do admin center now, no way in hell we can upgrade to hamlet directly after it finished. Or start the project. And also how many P adding projects we have if we do admin center now? Granary, pasture, boat's a maybe, so, 4 months on potentially 3 P? Then we hit quarry which doesn't give us P and it leave us at maybe 5 P. If someone can tell me if boat give P i appreciate it.
2. This one at least let us have the M income while we're doing the admin center. And an A boost without having to use more P. We can only deploy four more to do jobs, i rather have a boost to existing job rather than an empty slots.
3. We don't desperately need permanent P do we? Sure hired manpower cost W, but is the manpower upkeep in A for everyone or for permanent only? Please clarify so i can improve my statements. And reading about wealth, it says "Later wealth will also determine taxation." So, not now? If wealth is just "how much upkeep you can pay until you're even" then i rather keep using it while we can.

[X] Plan Don't Run with Scissors
-[X] Subsistence Granary
-[X] Subsistence Pastures

I like this one because it let us use all the P while we're doing the admin center, and you know, all that math cabal calculation. So i'll be voting for it too.

[X] Plan: A Funny Name
-[X] Subsistence Granary
-[X] Subsistence Quarry
 
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SeekerofStory said:
If someone
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  1. Boat gives P, but since it's hidden it is not certain that it gives exactly 1P or takes only 1 month. Given the past those are reasonable assumptions though. From the pattern, it's possible that future Fields (locked behind Granary) or Pasture upgrades also grant P (but also might be gated behind additional months of prerequisites).
  2. The downside of going M of course is the lack of long-ish-term A income. If we assume Boats gives the same bonus as Docks, we only have 8.5A/month without Pastures (which we can't staff at the same times as Quarry - though we still need them before hamlet for the +P), not enough for 10 native P and with minimal upgrade paths remaining. We need 8P to staff those food sources + granary + admin, so without hiring manpower we only have half a P to assign to the Quarry. Still, it does give flexibility I guess.
  3. Correct, actually getting the permanent P isn't important, the other side effects dominate as long as we're on track for the 7-month hamlet rush (it would be 6 if we skipped quarry).
 
SeekerofStory said:
If someone can tell me if boat give P i appreciate it.
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Boats - not the Docks, to be clear, but the next step up - gives some (indeterminate) amount of permanent P. Probably just the 1.

SeekerofStory said:
We don't desperately need permanent P do we?
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Urgently? No. We're fine on wealth, and honestly the 1/turn trickle of food we get for using hired pop instead probably worth more than the wealth is at the moment.

It's probably a requirement for Hamlet, though.

[x] Plan Sheep on a Boat
-[x] Fishing Docks
-[x] Subsistence Pastures

My plan. I still want full information on agriculture multipliers ASAP, the admin center can start next turn.

[X] Plan: We Built This City On Rocks And Docks
[X] Plan Don't Run with Scissors
[X] Plan: Funny name

... but I'll take putting up the docks or opening the pastures alone, so long as we're not locking in the admin center immediately.
 
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