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FarseerQuest [Warhammer 40k]

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I like this guy. We have word of god that he's as chill as archons get, and he's not asking for something unreasonable. It's rather balanced. We don't know when and what for he'll want Vendris, but Tenyl also doesn't know what we're going to use his Kabalites for.

Somic said:
And this could turn ugly if his goals lead him to discover the vault or the discovery comes before calling in the Veldris action...
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This, I think, is the one thing that really concerns me. If Archon learns of the Vault and decides to take it for himself. But our deals are not magically binding and if we start to foresee such a future, we can try to influence it away and if it doesn't work, we can backstab him.
 
The Vault thing is a definite risk, but it's also a risk that's to some extent applicable to everyone else we could ally with. There are ways to mitigate the danger and Tenyl really isn't untrustworthy as far as Archons go. We have to give up something in the future but that's also the ask we're making with them so it seems pretty reasonable.
 
I think the ceasefire should be enough for us, we certainly do not want a bloody war with our Deldar kin right now.
 
@Faith can we get a star map of the sector some time in the future? Might make planning things easier to visualize.
 
Varder said:
But our deals are not magically binding and if we start to foresee such a future, we can try to influence it away and if it doesn't work, we can backstab him.
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Very good point. A ceasefire would make him easier to influence and predict, as we'd have an option of just, talking to him. Since a core part of the deal is us sharing future information, ...

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@Faith question! Since the Kabal isn't under our command, but would benefit from our prophesies, making their every action the result of meddling - would Calalya think it's a good idea to ask them to communicate a bit about what they're going to do with the information they got, either in general or just in some cases, or would it a) tell them too much about our weaknesses, b) be rude?

How much does Calalya think it'd matter at all, anyway? (Since we can probably assume the Archon will do the optimal thing for himself at every opportunity, so she'll probably be able to predict his reaction to future info in a mundane way...)
 
Somic said:
Very good point. A ceasefire would make him easier to influence and predict, as we'd have an option of just, talking to him. Since a core part of the deal is us sharing future information, ...

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@Faith question! Since the Kabal isn't under our command, but would benefit from our prophesies, making their every action the result of meddling - would Calalya think it's a good idea to ask them to communicate a bit about what they're going to do with the information they got, either in general or just in some cases, or would it a) tell them too much about our weaknesses, b) be rude?

How much does Calalya think it'd matter at all, anyway? (Since we can probably assume the Archon will do the optimal thing for himself at every opportunity, so she'll probably be able to predict his reaction to future info in a mundane way...)
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The drukhari may not have Farseers of their own but they are aware vaguely of how precognition works, and so would know the importance of keeping the Seers in mind when deciding what to do, especially since their end of the deal is "trying not to be in the same place at the same time".

Because of this, they will be keeping the Seer Council aware of their various goals and intentions, at least on a basic level, and that is indeed enough for the Seers to encorporate his forces into their visions - all they have to do is give him the first draft of the prophecy turn, let him choose his action, and then do a quick editing pass to see what his actions would affect before passing the properties onto you, the players.
 
The more I think about it... this might just be a power play by the Archon. We have near-overwhelming information advantage over him, and he knows it. He came here to fight but was instead expected and corralled into a negotiation, to his obvious displeasure. He took his sweet time in the morning to show that he does what he wants, when he wants.

Now, he knows that we'll know what he'll ask us to do, but he doesn't have the same advantage. Putting a blind choice before us is likely him trying to even the playing field, for once, and see whether we'll go with it. And if we try to divine the future now, it'd tell him that we refuse to deal with him as anything but another pawn in our Farseer future manipulation games.

Mind you, I might be entirely off mark, but this is what this feels like.
 
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Normally cutting a deal with the drukkari would just be a hilariously bad idea, but in this case we can literally see the future, and they know it.

I think a helpful way of gaming this out is to think about the worst possible thing this task could be and considering whether its worth it.

Then realising we're a farseer, we should foresee whatever it is and if its too bad we can turn on the Kabal and destroy them. So the worst outcome is basically that we need to fight the dark eldar, a force of comparable strength to our own. Not great. Really quite dangerous, especially since they will no doubt have a contingency for this event.

Of course, they would probably know we would foresee the task they request so they'd be unwise to make it too unreasonable. Could still happen, but we have just made a pretty clear demonstration of 'we know the future, don't try to trick us'.

Thus I feel its worth the gamble.
 
Somic said:
The more I think about it... this might just be a power play by the Archon. We have near-overwhelming information advantage over him, and he knows it. He came here to fight but was instead expected and corralled into a negotiation, to his obvious displeasure. He took his sweet time in the morning to show that he does what he wants, when he wants.

Now, he knows that we'll know what he'll ask us to do, but he doesn't have the same advantage. Putting a blind choice before us is likely him trying to even the playing field, for once, and see whether we'll go with it. And if we try to divine the future now, it'd tell him that we refuse to deal with him as anything but another pawn in our Farseer future manipulation games.

Mind you, I might be entirely off mark, but this is what this feels like.
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This is a good point. It makes sense that he's trying to feel out how far we're willing to go. It's not necessarily a bad sign, it makes sense to do from his perspective, but it's definitely something to keep in mind. I'm still of the opinion that it helps us more than it harms us. I struggle to think of anything he'll make us do that would be actively detrimental to our interests unless he wants us to attack a future ally we might team up with?

And like, come on now. A choice between Eldar and mon'keigh (or Eldar and ork...) should really not be a choice at all, even if they're weird decadent torture Eldar.
 
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It's not necessarily a bad sign, it makes sense to do from his perspective, but it's definitely something to keep in mind.
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We did open up with a demonstration of power of our own, like Argent Citadel pointed out. To me, this reads like mutually establishing the very important question of "why you shouldn't mess with us" which is healthy for long term cooperation when it comes to Eldar :p
Astra said:
And like, come on now. A choice between Eldar and mon'keigh (or Eldar and ork...) should really not be a choice at all, even if they're weird decadent torture Eldar.
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I mean, depends on your moral values, worldview and the wider context. I'd say there are definitely Eldar who abhor their dark cousins because what Drukhari do is objectively messed up, and pay appropriate respect to other sapients. It's just that we here are playing something of a normal Eldar supremacist... and the Opal Blade are a known quantity, speaking more or less our language, so cooperation is possible (and we need allies in the coming mess).
 
It's good to remember that Archon, even with our precog, is still a force to be reconed with, even in the information games. After all, we still have no idea how he learned of our involvment here, especially before we even did anything.
 
Contacts within the Corsairs maybe? Or even in our own guys. Possibly worth looking into later on.
 
[x] Ceasefire + 1-time use of the Opal Blade <> 1 Calalya action, 1 Veldris action in unspecified future turns.
 
[X] Ceasefire + 1-time use of the Opal Blade <> 1 Calalya action, 1 Veldris action in unspecified future turns.

Give me more Dark Eldar on the side of the good guys
 
[x] Ceasefire + 1-time use of the Opal Blade <> 1 Calalya action, 1 Veldris action in unspecified future turns.
 
[X] Ceasefire + 1-time use of the Opal Blade <> 1 Calalya action, 1 Veldris action in unspecified future turns.
 
I would say that went as well. as it possibly could.

We showed our mojo and why it would be a good idea to have us onhis side and he is as reasonable as a commorite eldar can be.
I suggest we take the ceasefire and the favor, to have the Opal Blade as a known factor in our corner makes this whole endeavour a good deal simpler and the favor could be something like a joint action against the forces of Chaos, Necrons or the Tyranids when they arrive in earnest.

The actions we owe him then is something we can plan around, I think.

[X] Ceasefire + 1-time use of the Opal Blade <> 1 Calalya action, 1 Veldris action in unspecified future turns.

By the way @Faith, as I understand it, Yau-Fenni is a comparatively small craftworld that used to control or guard this subsector.

Can you tell us a little bit about it came to its departure from here and how it relates to other craftworlds?
 
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Wellhello said:
By the way @Faith, as I understand it, Yau-Fenni is a comparatively small craftworld that used to control or guard this subsector.
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Correct!

Wellhello said:
Can you tell us a little bit about it came to its departure from here and how it relates to other craftworlds?
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I will pull together my notes and make a more detailed backstory post at some point , but the pre-emptive TL;DR answers are:

1) They saw how good the Imperium was getting at xenocide and decided they'd rather not deal with that themselves, so they grabbed up the Exodites and bailed.
2) For the most part, it doesn't interact with the other Craftworlds. It's not a big enough player for other Craftworlds to actively seek out, nor in a dire enough situation it needs to reach out to others in turn, so it just kind of drifts around and does its own thing.
 
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