Gondorian Colony Builder Quest
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Kir the Wizard
The Sun King
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- Ukraine
Are the tormented women expecting half-orc children, or was the worst prevented?
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- Kiel; Germany
Time will tell.
Kir the Wizard
The Sun King
- Location
- Ukraine
Hmmm...
That could impact our choice-making in regards to where we settle in Eriador. If women are expecting half-orc children, and do not want to terminate the pregnancies, we could decide to settle closer to lands where that'd be less of a problem... I imagine whatever Angmarim hillsmen remain in Aughaire would be less averse to that happenstance than the Gondorians, and they could use Numenorean craftsmen and fresh blood.
Or maybe... Can we choose to settle under Saruman's rule(he should already have Isengard's keys by the time of the desertion of Ithilien)? That would be pretty interesting.
If they did have half-orcs, the bigger issue also involves their nature the orc side is irredeemably evil. Moreover, I do not know of any instance were half-orcs were any different.
Kir the Wizard
The Sun King
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- Ukraine
While they are "naturally evil", due to being shaped by Morgoth's corruption of previous works, nurture or free will would allow them to escape being irredeemably evil, per Tolkien's Letter 153:
"They would be Morgoth's greatest Sins, abuses of his highest privilege, and would be
creatures begotten of Sin, and naturally bad. (I nearly wrote "irredeemably bad'; but that
would be going too far. Because by accepting or tolerating their making – necessary to
their actual existence – even Orcs would become part of the world, which is God's and
ultimately good)."
Tolkien here actually goes into "all-powerful vs all-good nature of God", deciding that if God tolerates things (that mortals generally see as bad) as part of the world, then there is some ultimate good meaning or possibility behind them. And we know that Ilúvatar was depicted a rather proactive God, who did not tolerate Numenor's attempt to invade Valinor, for example.
And in Letter 154:
"That God would 'tolerate' that, seems no worse theology than the toleration of the calculated dehumanising of Men by tyrants that goes on today."
So, even if "orcness" stems from Morgoth's corruption, their evil is more akin to the evil of men ruled by tyrants. So killing orc babies would definitely not be an act of good in Tolkien's Legendarium.
But anyway, if it happens, the decision should be made by violated women themselves. Abortion techniques existed in antiquity and the middle ages, but do we have the wise men necessary to operate if it goes into later stages? Who knows.
[x] offer them a place with your people.
[x] some wealth was spent for good information.
[x] some wealth was spent for good information.
[X] Offer them a place with your people.
[X] No cost was spared, no effort too great.
Very interesting start, a little inactive but hopefully we can keep this LOTR quest alive for many many months as we know nothing about Eriador better to spend good money to get all the info we need so there are no screw ups with the new settlement.
[X] No cost was spared, no effort too great.
Very interesting start, a little inactive but hopefully we can keep this LOTR quest alive for many many months as we know nothing about Eriador better to spend good money to get all the info we need so there are no screw ups with the new settlement.
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- Lake Wobegon
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Isn't the vote closed?
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- Kiel; Germany
It is indeed closed for some time.