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As to the even more complicated tampering with time, pendejos indeed. Hm, one hopes that Jacob will offer more choice Spanish insults in the future.
A Harry Potter Quest: He who was not
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DarkKing98
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Is why I think we need Empathy. Jacob thinks he can brute force his way into any answer, not realizing that no, he at times needs a gentler or more subtle approach.
trooperist
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Damn it Jacob. Why are you like this?
Damn it Jacob!
Jacob really not holding back. To think that one comment by Lupin said in an attempt to reassure a student could have such repercussions.
So the werewolf has the time turner and Jacob has to fight to get it so he can go back in time. But he only know where it is because his future self told him. Damn time loops. Can't help but think that Accio would have rendered this fight easy. Since we could have just summoned the time turner away from Lupin.
Hopefully we can get through this without anyone getting bit. Or without Sirius dying since it looks like he got hurt.
DC of 4000 to become an animagus?
I suppose that makes sense since Jacob seems set on setting up the whole ritual himself. Plus the whole process is a pain. Daily incantations and having to keep a mandrake leaf in your mouth for that month and then having to remove the leaf under the light of a full moon and immediately brew it into the transformation potion. If clouds cover the moon that month you have to repeat the process all over again.
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The safety and welfare of the children must be the foremost priority. Anything else in this instant is secondary. As much as Jacob has grown, one would hardly think that he has grown to the point that he can afford to hold back against a werewolf.
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Wow, this case is really getting to Jacob. Never seen him doubt himself so much. Though I wouldn't expect him to feel any other way. Once he sticks his teeth into something, he can't let it go.
Ooh boy, that is a huge time investment. I suppose it makes sense as to why there are so few Animagi now. If the only requirement was to be talented in Transifguration then more people would be capable of it. The real bottleneck is that it is just a time-lengthy process and most people have better things to do.
At least he told Megan about it. That is some progress. Before he wouldn't have told anyone. If I had to guess, it is possible that Megan told Snape about what Jacob found? That would explain him coming down to the Shack. And alternate explanation would be that Snape checked in on Lupin and found him not in his room and then followed his trail from there. Lupin escaping the castle probably wasn't too discrete.
Oof. About what I expected to be honest. Jacob isn't much of a people person. One of his flaws.
I didn't expect this for a end of year event. Though, it makes sense. If Pettigrew had the chance he would definitely go for the Time Turner. And him hanging around Ron all year would provide him plenty of opportunities to learn about it.
I don't think we should be stingy here. Maybe put 6 for the Werewolf Fight, 4 for Saving Potter, and 3 for the Last Act? Leave 2 TE's in reserve?
[] Plan Not To Stingy – 6 TE for [Werewolf Fight], 4 TE for [Saving Potter], 3 TE for [Last Act]
Something like this? Either way, most of the TE's should probably go towards thew Werewolf Fight, because that is probably the most dangerous encounter.
Not really in favor of the first one. If Jacob tries to keep all of them alive, he probably won't succeed. He can't hamper himself like that. I'm not sure handicapping himself against Lupin is a good idea either. You don't want to mess around with Werewolves, they are fast, mobile, and one bite and it's over.
Learning towards this one right now.
[ ] This could be a Tragedy – You still don't know if Black and Pettigrew are innocent or not. Maybe only one of them is a criminal, maybe its both of them. It's very simple. You don't care. Lupin would be a tragedy. But it is more important to save the students and keep both of yourselves without bites.
Also, I know that Lupin is depressed and all, but would it have killed him to take his potion to control the transformation. Like seriously, if a Werewolf takes a job at Hogwarts, you can't have this sort of negligence. When I first read this book I felt bad for him, but now that I'm older I'm just shaking my head. What were people thinking hiring him on. Can't believe I'm on Snape's side right now. All it takes is one mishap and you have a massacre on your hands.
It was more the bad roll, but yeah, working on Empathy should probably be done.
Jacob values his Case more than Lupin, which isn't surprising. He wanted answers from Lupin without explaining why he wanted those answers. If it was someone like Megan it would probably be different and Jacob would be more understanding.
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I wonder how much of Lupin was a persecution complex over his pool of sad man, with his emotional equilibrium buoyed up by students liking him.
[X] Plan As All Things Should Be – 5 TE for [Werewolf Fight], 5 TE for [Saving Potter], 5 TE for [Last Act]
[X] This could be a Tragedy – You still don't know if Black and Pettigrew are innocent or not. Maybe only one of them is a criminal, maybe its both of them. It's very simple. You don't care. Lupin would be a tragedy. But it is more important to save the students and keep both of yourselves without bites.
[X] Plan As All Things Should Be – 5 TE for [Werewolf Fight], 5 TE for [Saving Potter], 5 TE for [Last Act]
[X] This could be a Tragedy – You still don't know if Black and Pettigrew are innocent or not. Maybe only one of them is a criminal, maybe its both of them. It's very simple. You don't care. Lupin would be a tragedy. But it is more important to save the students and keep both of yourselves without bites.
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I'm not sure if this is the fault of our low empathy. I think its his obsessive trait instead. Whenever his mind latches on to something he doesn't know the answers to when he is in a fey mood he'll brute force his way to answers. Notice how his previous questions about Pettigrew were all forgotten in favor of finding out what made Lupin make his decisions regarding Sirius. Even when that wasn't relevant to the greater mystery at all, it was about sating his curiosity when he couldn't logically understand Lupin.
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Yes, as noted, once again, Lupin neglected to take the crucial potion. Even if one were sympathetic to Lupin, and one is not, then or now, such gross negligence should rightfully be grounds for immediate dismissal, considering the great danger to the students.
Not just Lupin, the dear Headmaster should be under a stringent audit for hiring a werewolf and not taking far more rigorous measures and placing safeguards to ensure that the werewolf in question would not forget or refuse to take the critical medicine to prevent danger to the students.
Not just Lupin, the dear Headmaster should be under a stringent audit for hiring a werewolf and not taking far more rigorous measures and placing safeguards to ensure that the werewolf in question would not forget or refuse to take the critical medicine to prevent danger to the students.
I need to be off to bed, but I really want to vote, so apologies for ignoring the moratorium...
[X] This could be a Tragedy – You still don't know if Black and Pettigrew are innocent or not. Maybe only one of them is a criminal, maybe its both of them. It's very simple. You don't care. Lupin would be a tragedy. But it is more important to save the students and keep both of yourselves without bites.
[X] This could be a Tragedy – You still don't know if Black and Pettigrew are innocent or not. Maybe only one of them is a criminal, maybe its both of them. It's very simple. You don't care. Lupin would be a tragedy. But it is more important to save the students and keep both of yourselves without bites.
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It'd be nice if Peter got some agency by having switched the potion for some flavored water.
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Especially since Dumbledore knows about the curse Riddle put on the position might cause malarcky to happen. The fact that he hasn't taken extra steps to make sure that malarcky doesn't involve a wild werewolf on Hogwarts grounds (with a triple check system of some sort) shows that he's no longer fit to be Headmaster.
trooperist
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So in canon I think Lupin originally goes to the Shack because he sees Pettigrew on the map which he confiscated from Harry. He leaves so quickly he forgets to take his Wolfsbane potion or to erase the map. Snape then finds the map in Lupin's office and also heads to the Shack. The trio originally leave the castle to go to Buckbeak's execution but Ron (and Pettigrew) are kidnapped by Sirius in dog form who takes Ron to the Shack. Lupin shows up and Pettigrew is captured. Snape shows up and gets knocked out by the Trio. Lupin transforms into a werewolf allowing Pettigrew to escape. Sirius fights werewolf Lupin and drives him off. He and Harry are attacked by Dementors which are driven off by time travel Harry and Sirius ends up captured.
Here it seems canon events are happening later since Lupin is already transformed. Probably still reeling from that emotional barrage from Jacob, Lupin doesn't take his potion or perhaps isn't provided with one by Snape and doesn't look at the Map causing him to leave. Instead he is led toward the Shack by time travel Pettigrew. If the Map isn't available, Snape is probably here because he's tracking down Lupin after noticing the transformed werewolf has left his locked office during a full moon.
Also currently no time travel Harry and Hermione. Time will tell if that is still happening.
I'm not sure the whole Buckbeak situation is still happening but Jacob has been shown to be ignorant of such things before, though you'd think he'd pick up on it if it was happening since he's friends with Hagrid.
Here it seems canon events are happening later since Lupin is already transformed. Probably still reeling from that emotional barrage from Jacob, Lupin doesn't take his potion or perhaps isn't provided with one by Snape and doesn't look at the Map causing him to leave. Instead he is led toward the Shack by time travel Pettigrew. If the Map isn't available, Snape is probably here because he's tracking down Lupin after noticing the transformed werewolf has left his locked office during a full moon.
Also currently no time travel Harry and Hermione. Time will tell if that is still happening.
I'm not sure the whole Buckbeak situation is still happening but Jacob has been shown to be ignorant of such things before, though you'd think he'd pick up on it if it was happening since he's friends with Hagrid.
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Ok, this is my preliminary allocation of Time Echoes, we get a +35 bonus in the fight against Lupin and then a generous +20 on the other tasks...
[] Plan: A wise man knows when to pile up bonus – 7 TE for [Werewolf Fight], 4 TE for [Saving Potter], 4 TE for [Last Act]
And I feel like betting so let´s try this.
[ ] Alive and well - Prioritize keeping Black, Pettigrew and Lupin alive. This will impact the rolls against you. When one tries to get it all … one might lose it all.
[] Plan: A wise man knows when to pile up bonus – 7 TE for [Werewolf Fight], 4 TE for [Saving Potter], 4 TE for [Last Act]
And I feel like betting so let´s try this.
[ ] Alive and well - Prioritize keeping Black, Pettigrew and Lupin alive. This will impact the rolls against you. When one tries to get it all … one might lose it all.
[X] Alive and well - Prioritize keeping Black, Pettigrew and Lupin alive. This will impact the rolls against you. When one tries to get it all … one might lose it all.
Jacob seems like the type of guy to go for it all.
I don't care too much about the final act so I'mma go with
[X] Plan No bites allowed – 6 TE for [Werewolf Fight], 6 TE for [Saving Potter], 3 TE for [Last Act]
Jacob seems like the type of guy to go for it all.
I don't care too much about the final act so I'mma go with
[X] Plan No bites allowed – 6 TE for [Werewolf Fight], 6 TE for [Saving Potter], 3 TE for [Last Act]
I could change it to 7/7/1
but I want some buffer for the last act
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We should use our entire Echo stockpile, no holding back, all cannons loaded. This is the climax.
It's only relevant if you want to understand Lupin himself, to break him open like a puzzle.
But even then. Look at his question. "Why didn't you betray Sirius?" and then just goes of rambling in both directions. Giving reasons why he should or shouldn't have betrayed Sirius. There is no follow-up to that that ties into the main mystery. Aside from maybe hearing that Lupin thinks Sirius is innocent. The far more pressing question is "Why is Pettigrew hiding in his rat form?".
It's only relevant if you want to understand Lupin himself, to break him open like a puzzle.
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Voting still isn't open yet.
Damn time travel.
So Peter knew about the time turner due to Jacob solving the fourth case? I don't remember Peter's canon escape being so articulately planned.
Maybe if Jacob rested a bit, the meeting with Lupin would have been less brutal. But obsession takes its' course and there are no free meals with an action economy.
I never really expect to manage keeping Lupin's secret from the rest, or even a chance for him to continue teaching in this quest. But him dying here, like this, and after the awful confrontation with our boy? What a damn shame.
So Peter knew about the time turner due to Jacob solving the fourth case? I don't remember Peter's canon escape being so articulately planned.
Maybe if Jacob rested a bit, the meeting with Lupin would have been less brutal. But obsession takes its' course and there are no free meals with an action economy.
I never really expect to manage keeping Lupin's secret from the rest, or even a chance for him to continue teaching in this quest. But him dying here, like this, and after the awful confrontation with our boy? What a damn shame.
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Peter has been hanging around the Trio all year, he likely learned it from them. All he has to do is hang around Hermione a bit. It's extremely unlikely for Peter to somehow have learned it from Jacob.
really? whoops, I've never been around for moratorium time
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One does rather wish that Jacob had learned Accio by now. It would have made the situation less perilous than it already is. Apparently, Jacob needs to retrieve the Time Turner, then do what his future self did to point himself in the right direction and close the stable time loop. As if such were not difficult enough, he must also ensure that he and his fellow students survive against a currently rampaging werewolf without being bitten. No pressure and all that.
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*shrugs* Not to brag (kidding, totally bragging), but I saw Accio as likely making a difference, and included it right after Immobolus on the plan I made. While I was thinking more 'secure wands' rather than 'secure timeturner', others didn't seem to see its huge utility for whatever reason. Oh well. Lesson hopefully learned—spell choice matters and is worthy of careful thought and debate.
