Clarifying FOOM Opsec with our clan elders. Something that we need if we want to be able to FOOM safely, or if we want to know how long not to FOOM.
Not relevant Mari has already told us what we need to know

It has Hazou working to add a personal touch to the new estate, such as building the Jiraya Statue and integrating greenery into our new land. This will give us a boost in reputation with the wider Leaf.
This is just a complete nothing that will never be relevant to anything. You might like it but it doesn't move anything forward

It has us respecting Snowflake, Noburi, and Akane's agency (with regard to their bedrooms for the former, and their futures for the latter).
This does nothing that Hazou pilot wouldn't do

It has us continuing to soft-sell Mareo unto the Goketsu Clan so that we can one day get the Bear Scroll (and also secure a ninja Grandpa)
You've boiled this down to an offscreen misc item. It might be a useful move if executed properly but this ain't it
It has us continuing to be a positive male role model for Harumitsu, so that we can one day use his importance within the Hagoromo to leverage internal change within the Hag Clan (and also Harumitsu is a good kid that deserves better than what he has)
Once again does nothing to address any of my points. It doesn't advance anything. It's at best cute fluff which is what I want to avoid

It has us continuing to make progress on Minato's sealing stuff for Necromancy
Literally any plan would have us move that forward. There's nothing here that actually makes your plan different than any other replacement level plan

I think that it makes a lot of progress on our longterm projects, and is a pretty safe plan for having less than a day before voting close (and thus, less time to Sanity check and filter through the hivemind).
It might be safe but by that vey essence means it's a do nothing plan.

If you want a different action plan, then... write one?
There's not really a point for me to write plans. I tried to get back on the train for a while but never get any traction. I know when I'm being ignored
 
Why do you have gremlins in your computer? I think you're the person I've seen have tech issues the most out of anyone I know.
Thank you!

But actually, it was less of a tech issue than a hand cramp issue.

Also, rather than gremlins, I have Minori the official Marked for Death cat, but her threat rating has fallen considerably since I changed the power button to turn sleep mode on instead. (Now, she has to keep her weight on the button, since apparently holding it down to reset is hard-wired.)
 
There's not really a point for me to write plans. I tried to get back on the train for a while but never get any traction. I know when I'm being ignored
I am reading (emphasis 'reading' - might not have been what you meant) an assertion that your plans are discarded because they come from you, which is to say that they would have passed or gotten more votes if someone else had written them. If this is what you're saying, I'd disagree: it's a little hard to draw a clean line because your plans are yours, in that they have a certain style and pursue certain courses of action, so there's a personal element in it, but IMO they've been judged on their merits. If you're feeling ignored, I'd ask if you've considered that people just don't want to re-tread old debates where no one is changing their mind and that there's no real other way to engage with your ideas/plans than to debate them, so people don't engage. I can certainly see how this comes across as being ignored but it also makes perfect sense that people don't want to have the same conversations over and over when no one is moving.

Moreover, 'there's no point' isn't actually a rebuttal to ROTP's comment about strictly negative feedback adding nothing of value. If you want a better plan, make suggestions, write one of your own, vote for one you do like, throw out ideas, etc. etc. etc., but if you just don't like it and don't want to do anything about the situation (for whatever reasons! not wanting to do anything about the situation is valid and your reasons for not wanting to invest effort in changing the situation are valid!) then I'm curious as to why you didn't let it lie. Maybe the internet really flattened out your intended tone? This came across blunt to the point of harsh.

FWIW I agree with most of your plan criticisms and will likely be writing my own or throwing out some ideas for substantive action.
 
This is just a complete nothing that will never be relevant to anything. You might like it but it doesn't move anything forward

If nothing else, it flavors the text. Some people like the idea.

You've boiled this down to an offscreen misc item. It might be a useful move if executed properly but this ain't it

I agree that if something is critically important, then it shouldn't be offscreened,

Once again does nothing to address any of my points. It doesn't advance anything. It's at best cute fluff which is what I want to avoid

Literally any plan would have us move that forward. There's nothing here that actually makes your plan different than any other replacement level plan

As I noted before, all we have to do is loom over Asuma as S rankers. The hokageship contains nothing what we want that we could get any other way. It is mostly headache.

If you have a different idea in mind, that would be welcomed.
 
I am reading (emphasis 'reading' - might not have been what you meant) an assertion that your plans are discarded because they come from you, which is to say that they would have passed or gotten more votes if someone else had written them. If this is what you're saying, I'd disagree: it's a little hard to draw a clean line because your plans are yours, in that they have a certain style and pursue certain courses of action, so there's a personal element in it, but IMO they've been judged on their merits. If you're feeling ignored, I'd ask if you've considered that people just don't want to re-tread old debates where no one is changing their mind and that there's no real other way to engage with your ideas/plans than to debate them, so people don't engage. I can certainly see how this comes across as being ignored but it also makes perfect sense that people don't want to have the same conversations over and over when no one is moving.

It's not that I think my plans are ignored because I write them. I do think what I want in plans and the style I write them in means I won't get traction.


Moreover, 'there's no point' isn't actually a rebuttal to ROTP's comment about strictly negative feedback adding nothing of value. If you want a better plan, make suggestions, write one of your own, vote for one you do like, throw out ideas, etc. etc. etc., but if you just don't like it and don't want to do anything about the situation (for whatever reasons! not wanting to do anything about the situation is valid and your reasons for not wanting to invest effort in changing the situation are valid!) then I'm curious as to why you didn't let it lie. Maybe the internet really flattened out your intended tone? This came across blunt to the point of harsh.

I actually already suggested what I want before the chapter vote. Make Asuma pay for not delivering for Noburi and see what sealing 70 and ES 40 does to figure out the GS

@RandomOTP the one easy thing that would make me like your plan enough to vote for it is instead of burning a scene asking Akane and Noburi about apprenticeship we actually sit it up. I'd like to get something from Asuma for him not delivering for Noburi but that wouldn't be a deal breaker for me
 
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It's not that I think my plans are ignored because I right them. I do think what I want in plans and the style I write them in means I won't get traction.

@RandomOTP the one easy thing that would make me like your plan enough to vote for it is instead of burning a scene asking Akane and Noburi about apprenticeship we actually sit it up. I'd like to get something from Asuma for him not delivering for Noburi but that wouldn't be a deal breaker for me
Also, look into those tower jutsu and seals that Asuma promised.
 
@RandomOTP the one easy thing that would make me like your plan enough to vote for it is instead of burning a scene asking Akane and Noburi about apprenticeship we actually sit it up.
Sure, got any wording suggestions with regard to how we approach it?
Also, look into those tower jutsu and seals that Asuma promised.

As for jutsu, IIRC, Paper said that the only jutsu that would be available for character use would be the ones we-the-players audit, and that the audits had to contain each segment (even an "I can
can't t think of any exploits").

I've churned through a small amount of them, but there's still a good chunk remaining.
Each ninjutsu must pass a player audit in order to become available
 
[X] Action Plan: Tutorships and Trials
Words: tbd
  • Sanity check with Kei and Mari (under opsec conditions)
  • FOOM
    • Does everyone need to stop FOOMing, or just Akane?
    • Should we limit it to a more normal amount, or cut it out completely?
    • Is there any way we can continue, or is it too much of a risk?
    • Do as is suggested.
  • If Noburi and Akane would, hypothetically, be interested in an apprenticeship with Tsunade, meet with Asuma to make it happen.
    • Mention the Tower seals and jutsu. We've learned Skywalker. What's the ETA on those?
    • Be polite, take the best approach, as suggested by Mari and Kei.
  • Focus on building the new estate to be as great as possible (Koi ponds, gardens, Jiraiya Gate Statue, much better apartments than last time) and make Kei's room to her specifications.
    • Ask Snowflake, Crystal, Winterlight, Scalpel, etc, if they want a room/for their preferences.
  • Misc
    • Visit Mareo, bring gift basket. Chill, talk about family (maintain opsec).
    • Tutor Harumitsu, introduce to wider Goketsu family (to give him a social support network outside of the Hagoromo)
    • Work on Minato's Notes
 
Let's get this started, shall we?

Earth-4: Mud Trap.

  • Strength change:
    • This jutsu specifies 'enemy' unnecessarily. Allies might be aware of the effects of it in a way enemies are not, but that does not preclude them from being affected by it. Posited change: Allies get +AB Athletics to avoid it, but still must make the roll. Alternately, if this still seems a little too strong, that could apply to only the user (because mumble mumble they're connected to the jutsu mumble mumble).
  • Exploit Potential:
    • No new things here, unless you consider the effects of Mud Trap to be distinct from those of Syrup Trap or Goo Bomb, in which case yes, there's that.
  • Combination Potential:
    • Combine with explosives or wide-area techniques to prevent dodging. May require additional adjudication if the techniques are sufficiently-expansive -- ie, if it covers the whole area regardless of cover (requires dodging out of the zone), will those stuck be forced to take the hit? If so, how is the amount of stress taken adjudicated?
  • Potential edge case:
    • How does this interact with explosives (zone-wide, implied damage if within the aoe at the end)? How does this interact with Vacuum Step or other non-substitution movement techniques? Suggestion: roll (non-substitution) jutsu level versus set TN (20? 30? AB+1*10?)
  • Soundness:
    • Rules clarification necessary here. Does this penalize other things similar to taijutsu and melee weapons, like Water Whip? Proposed solution is the addition of the phrase "Or jutsu of similar function" to the end of the phrase " the target takes a penalty to Athletics, Taijutsu, and Melee Weapons".

Thanks for the reminder, though, updated this post.
 
Why don't we also get apprenticeship under Tsunade? Personally i would ask for someone else if it would help mechanically, but everyone else of note(that isn't Oro) is dead and she is the in the top 3ish Taijutsu masters of Leaf.
Jounins do get 3-man teams, after all, maybe we can sanity check it with Mari? Ask for other options?
 
[X] Action Plan: Tutorships and Trials
Words: tbd
  • Sanity check with Kei and Mari (under opsec conditions)
  • FOOM
    • Does everyone need to stop FOOMing, or just Akane?
    • Should we limit it to a more normal amount, or cut it out completely?
    • Is there any way we can continue, or is it too much of a risk?
    • Do as is suggested.

It would be vastly simplified: follow Mari's recommendations. Unless there are actual disagreement or that the hivemind think Mari is not being paranoid enough.

  • If Noburi and Akane would, hypothetically, be interested in an apprenticeship with Tsunade, meet with Asuma to make it happen.
    • Mention the Tower seals and jutsu. We've learned Skywalker. What's the ETA on those?
    • Be polite, take the best approach, as suggested by Mari and Kei.

There's no need to frame it 'hypothetically'. This is like talking about doing instead of just doing.

Ask Akane/Noburi if they want an apprenticeship with Tsunade, then go talk to Asuma about making it happen.

The ETA is limited
  • Focus on building the new estate to be as great as possible (Koi ponds, gardens, Jiraiya Gate Statue, much better apartments than last time) and make Kei's room to her specifications.
    • Ask Snowflake, Crystal, Winterlight, Scalpel, etc, if they want a room/for their preferences.

Just ask if any of Kei's shadow sisters want their own room. The rest can be summarized as 'continue to work on the move.' since we already defined what it will look like.
 
It would be vastly simplified: follow Mari's recommendations. Unless there are actual disagreement or that the hivemind think Mari is not being paranoid enough.



There's no need to frame it 'hypothetically'. This is like talking about doing instead of just doing.

Ask Akane/Noburi if they want an apprenticeship with Tsunade, then go talk to Asuma about making it happen.



Just ask if any of Kei's shadow sisters want their own room. The rest can be summarized as 'continue to work on the move.' since we already defined what it will look like.
I'm at work for several more hours. I'll move on to word count Optimization once I get back home. Definitely going to lift from this, though
 
  • If Noburi and Akane would, hypothetically, be interested in an apprenticeship with Tsunade, meet with Asuma to make it happen.
    • Mention the Tower seals and jutsu. We've learned Skywalker. What's the ETA on those?
    • Be polite, take the best approach, as suggested by Mari and Kei.


Asking the tower about seals and jutsu is basically asking the QM when they will come out with it. It might be better to just ask the QM directly and save the wordcount for something else.

Also, Mari and Kei would already be advising us on the best approach. So no need to include 'be polite' unless we have an idea for a specific approach.
 
Asking the tower about seals and jutsu is basically asking the QM when they will come out with it. It might be better to just ask the QM directly and save the wordcount for something else.

Also, Mari and Kei would already be advising us on the best approach. So no need to include 'be polite' unless we have an idea for a specific approach.
...That's a good point, but may as well do both.

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Any word on Tower seal/jutsu progress? Anything we can do to help?
 
[X] Bulging Folders
Word Count <300.
  • Use the wake up call from Kei to reevaluate how the clan handles information sharing and decision making.
    • Work together to create the first steps of a lasting solution.
    • Divide clan and close associates into security compartments and secrets by clearance level.
    • Require plan signoff from relevant compartment members for go ahead. Review weekly.
  • Snowflake
    • No letting slip her personal apology.
  • Taking the new clan protocol out for a spin.
    • Have a conversation with Shikamaru about Asuma without sharing or asking anything off limits.
      • Deeply include Kei and Snowflake.
      • Try for long series of free ranging discussions. Fluidly bringing in or excusing others like Ino or Choji if helpful.
      • Gain insight into Asuma.
        • Respect privacy.
      • Why pessimism about Asuma's decision making? Does he have doubts in the Nara?
        • Do not spill Kei's tip off without permission.
        • Nothing to be done or focusing on the highest odds?
          • What can we do to verify or make the most of lucky odds?
            • Probe for more domestic transparency, interdependence?
            • Convince Asuma AMITY is not poison fruit?
      • Giving Asuma an easier time trusting our clan.
        • Members living away from home? Deeper ties with the Sarutobi?
        • Cooperative projects to improve Leaf?
        • Would sharing nonessential clan secrets help? Voluntary surveillance?
        • What types of rewards delineate allies from turkeys fattened to slaughter?
        • Can we trade with the Yamanaka for better genjutsu defenses?
      • Can Shikamaru teach us to fill his role in the *mumble* compartment?
        • How would proliferation concerns change if the storm was not hard to TH with the right knowledge?
  • Mareo
    • Bring a gift basket. Chill, talk about family. OPSEC.
    • ES some ribald statues.
    • Ask Bears about Pasafutsu, that time period.
      • Look for more leads with Pangolin neighbors.
  • Read Pure Land lore.
    • Prefer 'accurate' sources.
  • Research Minato seals.
    • Outside the city.
 
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Any word on Tower seal/jutsu progress? Anything we can do to help?
More suggestions for Tower seals and especially jutsu are always appreciated. In turn I ask: would it be helpful for me to reply to suggestion-posts with reasons why specific suggestions are desk-rejected or brought to the next stage for further consideration?

Hm. @eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Noburi's character sheet has him listed as having 1800 total chakra, but if he has the Akimichi Chakra Enhancement stunt shouldn't he have 1802 total chakra?
No, his internal reserves were never counted in his CP total.

@Velorien @Paperclipped @eaglejarl updated SC XP
Hazou SC XP: 5*1.5*3 = 22.5XP
Akane SC XP: ???
Kei SC XP: 5*1.7*3= 25.5XP
Done.

Aside: 96 notes XP added to Hazou's sheet to buy Sealing 48, update your trackers. You will not have the Sealing notes XP to buy a level of Sealing this cycle.
 
Notice: Sealing research progress has been edited into the recent update:
Hazō (Calligraphy): 34 + 3 (IN) + 8 (4x prep days) - 3 = 42
Hazō (Sealing): 48 + 22 (SSA) + 8 (4x prep days) + 8 (invoke "Promising Sealing Student") + 8 (invoke "Gōketsu Research Facilities") + 6 = 100

Hazō has made massive progress on the second seal in the Fourth's seal chain. He thinks he's 2/3rds done, and could probably have already finished it if it weren't for his massive headache.
 
Any QMs want to weigh in @Velorien @eaglejarl @Paperclipped, can you do the Summoning training in advance as to skip the three month process when finally getting a scroll? Or does it need to be done right before you sign the contract?
Yes, you can do the training in advance. Like with new Elements, you must pay the full XP cost of the stunt at the conclusion of your training. You do not need to sign a scroll in order to complete the training and acquire the stunt.
 
In turn I ask: would it be helpful for me to reply to suggestion-posts with reasons why specific suggestions are desk-rejected or brought to the next stage for further consideration?
Yes.

Representative examples are probably just as or more useful than comprehensive ones, and likely easier for you, too.

Any insight into the QM process is also fascinating.
 
[X] Action Plan: Goketsu-style Food and Necromancy
Word Count: 294
  • Sanity-check/optimize with Mari and Kei.
  • Don't reveal Haru's cooling seal.
  • Maintain OPSEC.
  • Food bank Negotiations:
    • Approach Hagaromo Ritsuo (*Ask Harumitsu for advice/insight first*) and Akimichi Chowza about establishing their own storage-seal food banks.
    • Or a Hagaromo cold food bank using Haru's cooling seals (*Ask Haru first, don't pressure him*). Get Akimichi's advice on food preservation.
      • The intent is to signal to Asuma that we took his word about deepening our Leaf integration to heart, begin chipping at the conservative clan block, rehabilitate the image of food banks, and boosting Haru's prestige.
      • Provide expertise, negotiate resources, fees to each clan, locations, and promotion.
    • Disclose Risks
      • Be forthcoming with why the Goketsu seal bank experienced a seal failure.
      • Advise they dedicate someone to making storage seals only. No research.
      • Clients should schedule appointments to mitigate congestion.
  • Necromancy:
    • Use SSA to gain a consequence temporarily reopen Hazou's Out-connection.
    • Set up another necromancy ritual with all of the Goketsu clan ninja, Naruto, and Kei.
    • Use the following:
      • Sitting in a pentagram, where on each star-point is one of Jiraiya's cherished possessions.
      • Wearing Jiraiya's bloody clothes.
      • The bust of Jiraiya.
      • The toad summoning scroll.
      • Meditating on Jiraiya.
      • Reading a passage from Icha Icha.
      • Subtly requesting aid from Jashin.
      • Activating a Jiraiya's Voice Says Boo Seal as Naruto blasts us.
    • If Hazou contacts Jiraiya, ask for the following:
      • Landmarks to find him.
      • A code/secret/memory/etc to verify this is real.
      • Recommend he gather as many allies and Goketsu (QM faves) as possible on his end for when the rescue party arrives.
    • Guage clan interest in optimization and contacting other deceased Goketsu in the future.
  • Offscreen:
    • Check on Akane and her parents.
      • Limit FOOM.
    • Continue working on Minato's seals.
    • Continue clan re-location.
 
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Work together to create a lasting solution with room to adapt as circumstances change.
It would help to have a suggestion from Hazō or at least some criteria to give an idea of what he's looking for.

Use SSA to gain a consequence and examine dragon parts to temporarily reopen Hazou's Out-connection.
You sold the Dragon parts to Orochimaru and would need his cooperation to do this.
 
More suggestions for Tower seals and especially jutsu are always appreciated. In turn I ask: would it be helpful for me to reply to suggestion-posts with reasons why specific suggestions are desk-rejected or brought to the next stage for further consideration?
Yes, it definitely would. Would you like suggestions posted in thread?
 
Current Action plan, feedback welcome.

[X] Action Plan: Tutorships and Trials
Words: 141
  • Sanity check with Kei and Mari (under opsec conditions)
  • FOOM
    • Does everyone need to stop FOOMing, or just Akane?
    • Is there any way we can continue (in a more "normal" amount?), or is it too much of a risk?
    • Do as is suggested.
  • If Noburi and Akane are interested in an apprenticeship with Tsunade, meet with Asuma to make it happen.
    • Follow Mari/Kei's advice.
  • Work on making the new estate awesome
    • Koi ponds, gardens, Jiraiya Gate Statue, much better apartments than last time, and make Kei's room to her specifications.
    • Ask Snowflake, Crystal, Winterlight, Scalpel, etc, if they want a room/for their preferences.
  • Misc
    • Visit Mareo, bring gift basket. Chill, talk about family (maintain opsec where necessary).
    • Tutor Harumitsu, introduce to wider Goketsu family (to give him a social support network outside of the Hagoromo)
    • Work on Minato's Notes
 
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