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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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[X] Action Plan: In Which Hazou Lives Up To His Reputation
  • Mari sanity check all:
  • Precautions for Akane's Elemental Mastery practice:
    • We have chosen to focus on this because we think the jutsu may have weird behaviour when pushed to the extreme.
    • 'Extreme' and 'weird behaviour' are not nice words in sealmaster speech.
    • Furthermore, it's important that nobody else learns what we discover.
    • Therefore, we should only practise Elemental Mastery well outside of Leaf, with as much safety as possible. Think of it like TH tests without the need to hack the jutsu first.
    • Whenever Akane pushes the limits of the jutsu, it should be cast by a Shadow Clone proxy with Prime over a mile away.
    • We're aware that this is paranoid, but paranoia pays off sooner or later.
  • The concerns of the KEI:
    • We know that the law affords clan heads unilateral control over their clan, and thus no punishment can be levied by the Tower, we can still create a civil contract that punishes foul play.
      • When Hazou requests a ticket for a specific KEI ninja, he cannot use the ticket on anyone else.
      • A KEI ninja adopted into Hazou's clan will never be ordered to share their KEI jutsu with others in the clan.
        • This can be waived on a jutsu-by-jutsu basis based on future deals made with KEI leadership.
      • If a KEI jutsu somehow ends up as solely in Hazou's clan, we will teach it back to the KEI.
      • Very expensive penalties for breach of contract.
    • With this, it should be possible to permit adoptions without fear of jutsu theft. Are these terms acceptable?
  • Start research on one of the more basic Isan/Sarubetsu seals. Try to avoid FP expenses.
I must sleep now, so no updates for a little while. I expanded the KEI section because I think it is important for the deal to be an enforceable contract with penalties for breaches, as much as is possible under the circumstances. The KEI cannot stop Hazou if he chooses to adopt whoever he pleases with the ticket, but if he does so it will be in breach of a contract intended to be as punitive as possible: thus the KEI will be afforded some measure of security from the principle of self-interest. Naturally, for other clauses the question becomes 'do they catch Hazou in breach of contract?' which erodes its ability to create trust, but I cannot think of a way to be more transparent in a way that Counterfactual Evil Hazou could not evade.

But more importantly, this plan provides precautions for Elemental Mastery tests, and rationale to justify them, which should allow for people to safely vote for the Elemental Mastery XP-expense plan. If you feel the precautions or rationale are insufficient, let me know and I'll try my best to improve the plan when I wake up.

I also avoid a necromancy timeskip here because, as much as I love necromancy, we need FP to do research and our source of FP (at least, when we have so few of them) is more updates. This plan sources us another FP in relatively short order while we finally reach a major milestone in our destructive ambitions. This is, in my opinion, necromancy-optimal.

EDIT: I have added some low-level seal research that shouldn't need any FP to complete.
 
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[X] Action Plan: In Which Hazou Lives Up To His Reputation

I find this plan acceptable. I'm concerned about doing additional sealmastery at such a low level of FP in MadScientist's plan, however.

e: We could also use this time of uncommonly low FP to make friends with Choji.
 
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MadScientist said:
KEI
  • Hazou offers them a deal:
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ea@lejarl said:
"It does seem a bit extreme," Asuma said slowly. "Althou@h I believe the issue can be resolved simply by requirin@ that the KEI distribute a certain number of tickets to each clan at the start of the year and then settin@ up rules to ensure that the sales are fair and unbiased." He nodded thou@htfully. "Yes. There's a lot more work to be done on this topic but the basic idea is sound and what's left is details. I'm not committin@ to it either for or a@ainst, but I want to think about it. Let's table it and move on. Lady @ōketsu?"
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It mi@ht be worth brin@in@ this up. Asuma si@ned off on this idea with the understandin@ that the KEI would actually sell these tickets. He would not be thrilled to hear that they are refusin@ to sell alto@ether.
 
We may need to arran-e an or-anization to enforce contracts, if such does not already exist. If so, we should jump on that, before Ami does.
 
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MadScientist said:
My previous plan name had a forbidden letter.

[x] Action Plan: Like Reasonable Adults
  • Mari check all:
  • KEI
    • Hazou offers them a deal:
      • Adopted KEI ninja will not be required to share their jutsu with other members of Hazou's clan, unless deals are made with the KEI leadership on a jutsu-by-jutsu basis.
      • If a KEI jutsu somehow ends up as purely in Hazou's clan, we will teach it back to the KEI.
      • The KEI stop the prevention of our purchase of tickets, and offer us non-raised ticket prices.
  • Necromancy
    • Hazou and his sensei continue their work for as massive a duration as EJ is comfortable with.
    • Purchase sufficient FP for any rolls needed.
  • Offscreen
    • Continue to visit Mareo.
    • Continue to train Harumitsu.
    • Warn Akane that EM is an air-conditioner not a combat jutsu, so our current level of experimentation with it should be considered novel research and afforded safety protocols appropriate for such.
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MadScientist said:
My previous plan name had a forbidden letter.

[x] Action Plan: Like Reasonable Adults
  • Mari check all:
  • KEI
    • Hazou offers them a deal:
      • Adopted KEI ninja will not be required to share their jutsu with other members of Hazou's clan, unless deals are made with the KEI leadership on a jutsu-by-jutsu basis.
      • If a KEI jutsu somehow ends up as purely in Hazou's clan, we will teach it back to the KEI.
      • The KEI stop the prevention of our purchase of tickets, and offer us non-raised ticket prices.
    • Can set up expensive penalties for breach of contract.
  • Necromancy
    • Hazou and his sensei continue their work for as massive a duration as EJ is comfortable with.
    • Purchase sufficient FP for any rolls needed.
  • Offscreen
    • Continue to visit Mareo.
    • Continue to train Harumitsu.
    • Warn Akane that EM is an air-conditioner not a combat jutsu, so our current level of experimentation with it should be considered novel research and afforded safety protocols appropriate for such.
      • Far outside of leaf.
      • Cast via SC proxy.
      • Seal research conditions.
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[X] Action Plan: In Which Hazou Lives Up To His Reputation

faflec said:
[X] Trainin' Plan Hazou: None

I have become suitably convinced via Discord conversation that the previous Train Hazou Plan would harm our pyramids and the next FOOM step, so have altered my vote appropriately.
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How would it harm our pyramids and FOOM step?We still need to up^rade those skills for the pyramid, ri^ht?

Inferno Vulpix said:
[X] Action Plan: In Which Hazou Lives Up To His Reputation
  • Mari sanity check all:
  • Precautions for Akane's Elemental Mastery practice:
    • We have chosen to focus on this because we think the jutsu may have weird behaviour when pushed to the extreme.
    • 'Extreme' and 'weird behaviour' are not nice words in sealmaster speech.
    • Furthermore, it's important that nobody else learns what we discover.
    • Therefore, we should only practise Elemental Mastery well outside of Leaf, with as much safety as possible. Think of it like TH tests without the need to hack the jutsu first.
    • Whenever Akane pushes the limits of the jutsu, it should be cast by a Shadow Clone proxy with Prime over a mile away.
    • We're aware that this is paranoid, but paranoia pays off sooner or later.
  • The concerns of the KEI:
    • We know that the law affords clan heads unilateral control over their clan, and thus no punishment can be levied by the Tower, we can still create a civil contract that punishes foul play.
      • When Hazou requests a ticket for a specific KEI ninja, he cannot use the ticket on anyone else.
      • A KEI ninja adopted into Hazou's clan will never be ordered to share their KEI jutsu with others in the clan.
        • This can be waived on a jutsu-by-jutsu basis based on future deals made with KEI leadership.
      • If a KEI jutsu somehow ends up as purely in Hazou's clan, we will teach it back to the KEI.
      • Very expensive penalties for breach of contract.
    • With this, it should be possible to permit adoptions without fear of jutsu theft. Are these terms acceptable?
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We could research easier seals, such as the Isan seals, while we recover FPs.
 
Paperclipped said:
"Worse, KEI can't plug the hole. Adoption tickets aren't assigned on a ninja-by-ninja basis, so any adoption ticket they print could adopt any ninja, and even if they refuse to print extra ones, they still need to give out two per year to the clans. The ninja that benefit the most from the exchange will end up with strong mission records, so they'll be the ones the clans try to adopt. Sure, some will have KEI pride and refuse, but others will be salivating over the chance to get access to the secret techniques of the Akimichi or the Motoyoshi or the Yamanaka that have been perfected over a hundred generations."

Mari sighed. "I've put them between a rock and a hard place. It's become their responsibility to issue tickets, yet the tickets might end up killing their ninjutsu exchange and a ton of their internal trust and cohesion. I'm wracking my brain for a solution and I'm sure the coordinators are trying to pull something off, but I don't see an easy way out of it. Asuma won't ban or even limit clan adoptions because the point of the ticket system was to make the clans share their secrets more and make Leaf stronger. Most of all, he definitely wants the strongest KEI ninja to join the strongest clans, because advantages compound and he'd rather have a couple star jōnin, like yours truly, than dozens of chūnin with adequate skills.
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I was wondering about that from the start. There's no incentive for the KEI, other than some money, to sell any more tickets than absolutely necessary. The only time they would do so is when they are so in need of something a Clan (other than Kei) can provide that they begin being willing to trade away their own members to get it.

But what we could do is have the Goketsu sign a binding contract that they are willing to teach any technique an adoptee got through the KEI system to at least one currently alive KEI ninja if there are none anymore that know it. On top of that we could encourage our adoptees to continue teaching techniques to KEI ninja, provided that the techniques were learned before they joined the Clan. Provided there's spare time and an adequate recompense for the time invested of course.

Also, we should ask Mari to find out how many ninja the Clan Kei has adopted ever since the new system was implemented.
 
Rafin said:
I was wondering about that from the start. There's no incentive for the KEI, other than some money, to sell any more tickets than absolutely necessary. The only time they would do so is when they are so in need of something a Clan (other than Kei) can provide that they begin being willing to trade away their own members to get it.

But what we could do is have the Goketsu sign a binding contract that they are willing to teach any technique an adoptee got through the KEI system to at least one currently alive KEI ninja if there are none anymore that know it. On top of that we could encourage our adoptees to continue teaching techniques to KEI ninja, provided that the techniques were learned before they joined the Clan. Provided there's spare time and an adequate recompense for the time invested of course.

Also, we should ask Mari to find out how many ninja the Clan Kei has adopted ever since the new system was implemented.
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@faflec

It appears your warnin' bears repeatin' once more
 
Rafin said:
I was wondering about that from the start. There's no incentive for the KEI, other than some money, to sell any more tickets than absolutely necessary. The only time they would do so is when they are so in need of something a Clan (other than Kei) can provide that they begin being willing to trade away their own members to get it.

But what we could do is have the Goketsu sign a binding contract that they are willing to teach any technique an adoptee got through the KEI system to at least one currently alive KEI ninja if there are none anymore that know it. On top of that we could encourage our adoptees to continue teaching techniques to KEI ninja, provided that the techniques were learned before they joined the Clan. Provided there's spare time and an adequate recompense for the time invested of course.

Also, we should ask Mari to find out how many ninja the Clan Kei has adopted ever since the new system was implemented.
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EDIT: eliminated, too a^^ressive, there were no forbidden letter in it

faflec said:
DO NOT USE THE SEVENTH LETTER OF THE ALPHABET, OR ANY WORD THAT CONTAINS SAID LETTER, IN YOUR POSTS

PLEASE USE SEARCH (Ctrl + F) / (⌘ + F) TO REMOVE ALL INSTANCES OF THE SEVENTH LETTER BEFORE YOU POST

FAILURE TO DO SO WILL RESULT IN XP LOSS FOR HAZOU​

QMs if you don't want these posts to be made, please tell me and I'll stop.
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*wakes up*

*internally* OK, check the thread, how bad could it be?

*checks the thread*

*disappointed exhalation of breath*

It's literally worse than I expected. I never expected people to deliberately fuck around and use the forbidden letter for their own amusement.
 
Yeah... This is torture.

Thats said KEI always went for the short term power over the clans. One of the main reasons that I particularly (and likely many on the tread) never joined hands with the faction was that is screamed "The oppressed that turn into the oppressor the moment it obtain power".

For this particular conundrum the answer would be take a "paje" of the inter clan marriaje clauses and say that for effect of adoptions, jutsu learnt from the KEI jutsu deal must be treated as an "clan secret" wich means that the adopted ninja cannot teach the jutsu that they learned to the clans they join, the obtention of said jutsu must be a formal deal with the KEI board.
This would probably need an council vote, but if this idea come to be would drive away some of the more conservative clans, temporarily. Temporarily because eventually clanless ninja would catch on to the less oportunities for join a clan if you are part of the jutsu deal and start to make deals behind KEI to avoid this clause.
There's no solution to make this problem disappear permanently, due the way people are KEI itself was on a unwinnable scenario if be like a clan was their desired endpoint.

(Praise me because avoid the forbiden letter was a pain)
 
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