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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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TalonofAnathrax said:
[X] Train Hazou : Improve both scribe skills
-[X] Earth Release: PEA 30 (105 XP)
-[X] Inkbrush skill 30 (30 XP)
-[X] Earth Release: 3D Seal writer 40 (79 XP)

All these people who say they like it, but don't make a vote. Wham, done, vote for it if you like it.

[X] XP to Spend Akane: My partner is a WMD
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As I understand it, we intend to level PEA to 20, not 30. I just checked Hazou's pyramid and that's the only way the pyramid stays valid, plus the XP expense you indicated corresponds to a level 20 PEA. It's a simple fix, so I have no qualms about my vote here:

[X] Train Hazou : Improve both scribe skills
 
faflec said:
On a less [FORBIDDEN LETTER] matter, does anyone else feel that we should nip the Uchiha Minori situation in the bud before certain others become involved? She's 12 and I feel that this is the sort of situation that will lead to BAD ENDS everywhere, in and out of thread.
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Mfw this is a Sasuke plot because he wants to tie our clan to his
 
Veedrac said:
Prototype section to motivate EM training, if this is a thing that is decided to be done. I know we don't technically need it, but logically we should have a reason for this, and prepare so as not to commit suicide.
  • Plot hook: Akane asks about EM snow at very low temperatures
    • Do only if seen
    • Observe:
      • Snow evaporates, doesn't melt
        • (it's a frozen gas)
      • Put in box, heat, add animal, it dies
        • (only a part of the air has frozen)
      • After initial cast, snow comes from the jutsu shell
        • (it's not just the gas initially in the zone)
      • Snow formation slows over time, persists between casts, but never stops
        • (it's diluting the resource concentration)
      • Measure a piece's evaporated volume, compare to quantity of snow produced
        • Measure via balloon or water displacement
        • (total deposit ≫ initial zone)
    • Thoughts:
      • Effect if all air froze eventually?
    • Security:
      • Hazō + Akane secret only
      • Could be dangerous, train with positive temperatures or on underwater zones with limited air
      • Use jutsu sparingly, don't show extreme temperature deltas publically
Note: My very rough guess is you'd make <10t of dry ice, or a <2×2×2m cube solid dry ice, or a <5×5×5m cube of loose dry ice snow, over the course of a 200 minutes cast in still air. Wind would increase this significantly. I don't have good evidence for this number and would prefer someone actually did the differential equations. This compares to 300kg of gas in a 5m radius hemisphere.
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⬆️ Alternative way to not hopefully destroy the quest from some time back.

If the quest ends to my idea because y'all don't listen to me...
 
Veedrac said:
⬆️ Alternative way to not hopefully destroy the quest from some time back.

If the quest ends to my idea because y'all don't listen to me...
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I personally believe a skywalker-equipped Hazou and Akane can outrun a stationary EM nuke. That is, I do not feel the risk of this operation is in Hazou and Akane's continued survival. My rationale is as follows:
  • The nuke has a substantial wind-up time, measured in multiple rounds of ninja combat.
  • Akane does not need to be within the zone the jutsu is cast in, and thus can cast it a fair ways away from her.
    • Hazou doesn't even need to be as close as Akane, since his role is only to observe and direct.
  • Skywalkers bypass borders and allow Hazou and Akane to move at ninja-sprint speeds, which lets them cross multiple zones in a turn.
All in all I feel it is unlikely that Hazou and Akane would be unable to escape the lethal zone of the nuke before it completely winds up. Notably, even after the jutsu reaches full temperature delta it is not likely to be at full force for some few seconds afterwards, and thus Hazou and Akane will have even more room to escape.

(I assume that, as a baseline practice, Hazou and Akane will be prepared to immediately evacuate the area if they notice unusual phenomena)

There are other concerns at play, such as the risk that other parties could spot the nuke and identify us as its creators, but I do not particularly fear for Hazou and Akane's safety here. Furthermore, while I do not have a bullet-point list for this, I do not feel like your list of experiments are very intuitive for Hazou to test, even with our thumb on the scales of his intuitions. It is already somewhat of a stretch that Hazou has come to believe that extremely cold temperatures will have any notable effects at all. My attention specifically points to physics concepts like 'only part of the air has frozen' that relies on assumptions like 'the air is made of a composite of substances which can each be separately manipulated' when we know that Hazou believes in a much less scientific model of physics. Remember that these are societies that can believe myths like 'rats are spontaneously created out of lost food' and 'skysliders stay aloft because the wind spirits can be convinced to push upwards on them'.

All in all, I do not feel like your procedure is either necessary or sufficient to keep Hazou and Akane safe, I'm sorry to say. I do think there is room to improve our route still, to contrive reasons for Hazou and Akane to test this far away from civilization, but I think it is both optimal and sufficient for core of our survival plan to be 'perform the jutsu ready to flee, flee when the jutsu nukes'.
 
[x] Action Plan: Like Reasonable Adults
[X] XP to Spend Akane: My partner is a WMD
[X] Train Hazou : Improve both scribe skills
 
Lysbeth Succubus said:
Well, there are several ways to read that sentence. Did Hazō find a... relic?

Finally someone who UNDERSTANDS IT. ("It" means Project: Omnicule)

Not yet you can't. We work on it. A man who doesn't UNDERSTAND IT.

Lavabender, metamorphic power, or stone seals by chakra ways/shifts in the stone in another dimension? All well.


I swear to Tobirama's abysmal fashion sense, if there was a secret code to the dance at all, and it was for Hazō to decode at all, and it was in the rhythm rather than in the pattern (such as morse)...


There's a solution to the tune of "Tower-mandated paid intellectual property and licence to teach with veto from the KEI" but that will have its own issues. There may even be ways to enforce this with personal seals (think ROOT loose-lips seals in canon) but that's a bit dark side of the force if you ask me. (V: I did SAY that I [represented Belkar]'s viewpoint in this.)
Further down the line, if no action is taken, the KEI will essentially be a non-voter clan politically, except its best members are taken out of it, and its secrets are sold, all the time. If they start to parcel out their secrets, everyone loses. If they don't, only they lose. Also, there's the constant increase risk of a radical who betrays their adoptive clan and distributes clan secrets to the KEI. Which would be a terrible landmine. Of course, there's the matter of the Kei clan and its obvious ties to KEI. To prevent that eventual explosion, the Tower should probably step in and do an act that values the KEI for its jutsu production. To prevent jutsu poachers, promote sales of the jutsu they create except at an incredibly steep cost, which would be Tower-enforced?

To be a waterbender is incredible.

Edit: I'M SORRY I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A SECOND POST ;w; PLEASE FIND IT IN YOUR HEART TO DO THE TWO VERBS THAT START WITH "FOR-" WHICH ELEPHANTS NEVER DO
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I found this hilarious, especially the edit itself. +2 XP to a PC of your choice, chosen by 1d4 if you don't choose in 24 hours.

Oneiros said:
[X] XP to Spend Akane: My partner is a WMD
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I also cracked up when I read this and realized that even plan names had to avoid the forbidden letter. +1 XP to a PC of your choice, chosen by 1d4 if you don't choose in 24 hours.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
I personally believe a skywalker-equipped Hazou and Akane can outrun a stationary EM nuke. That is, I do not feel the risk of this operation is in Hazou and Akane's continued survival. My rationale is as follows:
  • The nuke has a substantial wind-up time, measured in multiple rounds of ninja combat.
  • Akane does not need to be within the zone the jutsu is cast in, and thus can cast it a fair ways away from her.
    • Hazou doesn't even need to be as close as Akane, since his role is only to observe and direct.
  • Skywalkers bypass borders and allow Hazou and Akane to move at ninja-sprint speeds, which lets them cross multiple zones in a turn.
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  • It is a hard transition. There is no wind-up time. One moment it is just cold, the next it is a nuke. This is the case because of feedback effects.
  • This undersells the power at play here, by a massive factor. Ninja are not close to sufficiently fast to escape.
  • This assumes Skywalkers function in Mach-1 winds.
  • Relevant distances are measured in miles. The nuke expels immense quantities of supercooled liquid at probably supersonic speeds. A zone is not even close to sufficient distance.
  • Even if they do escape, if they are near Leaf when they do it, Leaf is destroyed.
  • Why would you even risk this? Maybe it's a warm day and doesn't do a nuke. Doesn't mean you should roll the dice!
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
I personally believe a skywalker-equipped Hazou and Akane can outrun a stationary EM nuke. That is, I do not feel the risk of this operation is in Hazou and Akane's continued survival. My rationale is as follows:
  • The nuke has a substantial wind-up time, measured in multiple rounds of ninja combat.
  • Akane does not need to be within the zone the jutsu is cast in, and thus can cast it a fair ways away from her.
    • Hazou doesn't even need to be as close as Akane, since his role is only to observe and direct.
  • Skywalkers bypass borders and allow Hazou and Akane to move at ninja-sprint speeds, which lets them cross multiple zones in a turn
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Also there's no reason Primes have to cast it. Just use an SC and have Prime 2 miles away with more clones to do observation.

Edit: Ninja'd
 
(unfortunately the forbidden letter must remain in titles for consistency)

Hazou Notes XP:
6 * 16 = 96 XP, so Jiraiya's notes are finished
  • Jiraiya's Sealing Notes: S:1378, B:122, R:0
18 days remain for study.
13 * 16 = 208 (the extra 8 will apply to the next notes)
  • Orochimaru's Sealing notes #1: S:0, B:200, R:0
5 days remain for study.
5 * 16 + 8 = 80 + 8 = 88
  • Orochimaru's Sealing notes #2: S:0, B:88, R:112

Akane Notes XP:
24 * 3 = 72 XP

Only 20 remained in MedNin notes 1, so 52 left over.
  • Oro MedNin Notes #1: S: 65, B: 35, R: 0
  • Oro MedKnow Notes #2: S: 0, B: 52, R: 48

Noburi Notes XP:
24 * 3 = 72 XP
  • Oro MedNin Notes #2 : S:0, B:86, R: 14
 
[X] XP to Spend Akane: None

Nothin[-] in the winnin[-] plan allows Akane to accomplish this, in makin[-] it possible or doin it safely.
 
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