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[X] B. Agree with Kitan and Lightning Hoof, but try to work out a compromise to keep Seto and Satoshi from potentially leaving the group.
-[X] propose that everyone who is training help pitch in to help feed those unable to fight by donating however many mealers and money (only for food) they feel comfortable parting with since the guards are feeding us. In the meantime, We can use our free time to try and help stabilize the living situations of those unable to fight. Those able to fight can join us training in the barracks or exploring as they see fit. With the ultimate goal of the group getting strong enough to clear the way to yamato for non combatants.

My proposed solution and this format is better for keeping things clear in the tally.
 
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[X] B. Agree with Kitan and Lightning Hoof, but try to work out a compromise to keep Seto and Satoshi from potentially leaving the group. -[X] propose that everyone who is training help pitch in to help feed those unable to fight by donating however many mealers and money (only for food) they feel comfortable parting with since the guards are feeding us. In the meantime, We can use our free time to try and help stabilize the living situations of those unable to fight. Those able to fight can join us training in the barracks or exploring as they see fit. With the ultimate goal of the group getting strong enough to clear the way to yamato for non combatants.
 
[X] B. Agree with Kitan and Lightning Hoof, but try to work out a compromise to keep Seto and Satoshi from potentially leaving the group.
-[X] propose that everyone who is training help pitch in to help feed those unable to fight by donating however many mealers and money (only for food) they feel comfortable parting with since the guards are feeding us. In the meantime, We can use our free time to try and help stabilize the living situations of those unable to fight. Those able to fight can join us training in the barracks or exploring as they see fit. With the ultimate goal of the group getting strong enough to clear the way to yamato for non combatants.
 
Mr. Prokosch said:
[X] Write-In: we don't need to feed the other players, the NPCs have plenty of food. Find the local leader and try to convince them to open a shelter for the needy.
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I hadn't considered, but like the idea of going to a local leader about this. But perhaps a shelter for the needy is not the best solution to advocate for? Perhaps instead we can tell local leaders that our Awakening has wiped many of our memories, and we need local leaders to help us organise and situate the Awoken so that they can begin preparing for their provings. The various preists I'm sure would be able to take people in.

So would you be willing to vote for a rewording to
[X] B. Agree with Kitan and Lightning Hoof, but try to work out a compromise to keep Seto and Satoshi from potentially leaving the group.
- [X] We don't need to feed the other players, the NPCs have plenty of food. Find the local leaders and try to convince them to find places and guidance for us all, like the situation we have at the Guardhouse.

@Triage my write in above seems in line with your post below. Would you consider switching?
 
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If all of us gave away all of our rations it wouldn't be enough to give the rest of the Awoken even one extra day of food. We've only received one free meal so far. If we continue to get one free meal a day then we need our own rations to last through training. We don't know how much gold it costs to buy food, but even if we gave away everything it's being split among a large enough group to disappear pretty quickly, and we might really need those funds. We don't know when we'll make more money or what we might turn out to need it for. We also don't know how long training takes as advancing to the next stage is based upon a determination of our progress by an NPC rather than a fixed amount of time.

This city has a problem. Its dozens upon dozens of Awoken heroes are completely hopeless right now. We have a legitimate argument that the guards need to step up here to fix the problem or their heroes will remain useless. If they don't have the capacity to train in the barracks then we can ask them to train us outside in larger classes. If they still don't have enough capacity we can ask them if they could get more volunteers or direct the Awoken elsewhere before they turn into murderhobos. Similarly we can try to lobby for more meals while we train, or hands-on lessons where we can earn enough to fill our bellies.

[x] E. Try and convince the guards to let more players train with them, and try to convince the players to train if they say yes, to make both sides happy.

I'm confident both the instructions and mechanical rewards offered by finishing the tutorial are significant and could provide us with a massive advantage in building up our guild. Especially if we can get more players into the tutorial. Sweet-talking the NPCs is probably the highest value act we could take here. Surely the game designers didn't want to make the tutorial available to only a small fraction of the players, so there should be a solution here.
 
[X] B. Agree with Kitan and Lightning Hoof, but try to work out a compromise to keep Seto and Satoshi from potentially leaving the group.
- [X] We don't need to feed the other players, the NPCs have plenty of food. Find the local leaders and try to convince them to find places and guidance for us all, like the situation we have at the Guardhouse.
 
Triage said:
If all of us gave away all of our rations it wouldn't be enough to give the rest of the Awoken even one extra day of food.
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This isn't quite true. You need to eat about 2.5 times per day, if you're using beginner meals. As in, two times on fay one, 3 times on day 2, repeat. As long as you keep to an optimal setup.

You all ate one of your meals before you went training, since you spent a few hours comforting and then recruiting people.

With 7 of you, that's 133 meals. Split between about 50 of them, that's enough for an extra day or so. With everyones gold added in you'd manage probably another day.

It's not a long term solution...
 
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[X] B. Agree with Kitan and Lightning Hoof, but try to work out a compromise to keep Seto and Satoshi from potentially leaving the group.
-[X] propose that everyone who is training help pitch in to help feed those unable to fight by donating however many mealers and money (only for food) they feel comfortable parting with since the guards are feeding us. In the meantime, We can use our free time to try and help stabilize the living situations of those unable to fight. Those able to fight can join us training in the barracks or exploring as they see fit. With the ultimate goal of the group getting strong enough to clear the way to yamato for non combatants.

Edit: I'm ambivalent about the Vessels staying or going - more like "sure, go and help out if you want, but here's some ways we can still help everyone while sticking with this training quest".
 
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I just think very quickly we are going to need people to organize stuff we have planned, and they probably arn't going to be able to adventure as much as we should. Already, trying to figure out how shelter and feed 50 people is going to be not a small task that we arn't going to focus on if we are going the training. And the pair seems the most driven, so why not just let them do it and support them?

Basic food shouldn't cost too much so we should be able to afford to feed people and have spare fairly quickly. Especially if we can bring back ingredients. And if we can pool all 7 of the characters resources we can hopefully make it through the training days in terms of starvation.

I'm not saying we should just cut off Seto and Satoshi and let them do everything... but we also cannot do everything. What happens if we have to travel the field for multiple days or even a week or longer? There are going to have to be stuff in place to handle us being gone, so even more organizational work, or someone there that we trust to make sure it's done. I feel like not splitting things now will cause us to spread ourselves too thin and we are just starting out.
 
Triage said:
If all of us gave away all of our rations it wouldn't be enough to give the rest of the Awoken even one extra day of food. We've only received one free meal so far. If we continue to get one free meal a day then we need our own rations to last through training. We don't know how much gold it costs to buy food, but even if we gave away everything it's being split among a large enough group to disappear pretty quickly, and we might really need those funds. We don't know when we'll make more money or what we might turn out to need it for. We also don't know how long training takes as advancing to the next stage is based upon a determination of our progress by an NPC rather than a fixed amount of time.

This city has a problem. Its dozens upon dozens of Awoken heroes are completely hopeless right now. We have a legitimate argument that the guards need to step up here to fix the problem or their heroes will remain useless. If they don't have the capacity to train in the barracks then we can ask them to train us outside in larger classes. If they still don't have enough capacity we can ask them if they could get more volunteers or direct the Awoken elsewhere before they turn into murderhobos. Similarly we can try to lobby for more meals while we train, or hands-on lessons where we can earn enough to fill our bellies.

[x] E. Try and convince the guards to let more players train with them, and try to convince the players to train if they say yes, to make both sides happy.

I'm confident both the instructions and mechanical rewards offered by finishing the tutorial are significant and could provide us with a massive advantage in building up our guild. Especially if we can get more players into the tutorial. Sweet-talking the NPCs is probably the highest value act we could take here. Surely the game designers didn't want to make the tutorial available to only a small fraction of the players, so there should be a solution here.
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I think you aren't quite understanding exactly how, at least my plan works.

A. We aren't offering anything to those willing and able to fight besides an open door to join us in training. It was said in update that the community is about 50 players not including our band.

KittyEmpress said:
"Uhmmm." You butted in as you sensed the conflict, "I'm right here. I'd be happy to try and help, but I don't know if they'll be able to take everyone. There only seems to be like a dozen of them... and theres like, fifty? of us? Not including us six!" You tried to think hard about it.
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I think we can reasonable expect at least 10 to 20 of them to fight and take up quests themselves, which reduces the amount we need to take care of to about 30.

B. We are only going to help people once food runs out. Everyone started with twenty food kits which at a rate of 3 or two a day should help them last about 5-7 days.

C. In our time off we are going to try and help those non-combatants find a way to earn food, That might be helping them gain the courage to fight, that might be finding them menial jobs around town. Regardless By the time that we actually get to the point were we need to provide meals to the unemployed, for lack of a better term, There should be significantly less of them than there are now. Much less since seto and satoshi seem to be intent on helping them. Their courage is pretty high after all.

D. Between our spare mealers we should be able to assist everyone left at the end of those 5-7 days at least long enough to make it to the end of guard training. Also don't forget that those "unemployed" also started with 100 gold so that should extend how long they can last even longer.

E. So since we can make it to the end of our training, we can do that and reevaluate our approach once its done.

F. This training is garnering good will with the guards. If we complete it then they will likely become allies barring unexpected drama. Having the village guards good will would go a long way in say, making that deal for help taking care of the awoken until we can escort them to yamato. Or even more long term arrangements if needed.



I think my plan reasonable covers all of our bases. If you find issues with it then i am open to feedback and revision. At least on my own vote.
 
[X] E. Try and convince the guards to let more players train with them, and try to convince the players to train if they say yes, to make both sides happy.
 
[X] B. Agree with Kitan and Lightning Hoof, but try to work out a compromise to keep Seto and Satoshi from potentially leaving the group.
-[X] propose that everyone who is training help pitch in to help feed those unable to fight by donating however many mealers and money (only for food) they feel comfortable parting with since the guards are feeding us. In the meantime, We can use our free time to try and help stabilize the living situations of those unable to fight. Those able to fight can join us training in the barracks or exploring as they see fit. With the ultimate goal of the group getting strong enough to clear the way to yamato for non combatants.
 
[X] E. Try and convince the guards to let more players train with them, and try to convince the players to train if they say yes, to make both sides happy.

7 people cannot support 50, we need to get other players competent enough to be self-supporting. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime after all.
 
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Yatr said:
An Alternative Proposal
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This feels like a 'i want both options at the dame time' kinda plan.

[X] B. Agree with Kitan and Lightning Hoof, but try to work out a compromise to keep Seto and Satoshi from potentially leaving the group.
-[X] propose that everyone who is training help pitch in to help feed those unable to fight by donating however many mealers and money (only for food) they feel comfortable parting with since the guards are feeding us. In the meantime, We can use our free time to try and help stabilize the living situations of those unable to fight. Those able to fight can join us training in the barracks or exploring as they see fit. With the ultimate goal of the group getting strong enough to clear the way to yamato for non combatants.
 
Hum...
I don't like any of the proposed plans.
They are all too broad.

Why should Hita and co be responsible for everyone?
Maybe I'm just a cynic, but in my experience, a minimum of 33% of other players would be the kind of people I would not want anything to do with.
Let's be generous and say that no more than 20% percent of the players in our starting area would be jerks.
That is still 10 people.

And, before someone accuses me of being misanhropic
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"If you don't have any official business here, please move along. We're too busy to deal with kids today. Four assaults and a robbery in just a couple hours." He glares for just a moment, "You Awoken aren't exactly living up to your storied standards."
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It is no more than frustrations and acting/lashing out, for now.
But this is a game, and despite the circumstances, people will still treat it as a game.
And games are famously where people give in to their baser and darker impulses.
And, for the most part, I consider this a healthy thing. Annoying when I'm on the recipient end, but not bad, per se.
But not in the situation our heroine finds herself in.


We should see about helping those most endangered, always, but universal good-will is not something humans are built for.
So, my suggestion would be to seek out solutions for those that most need it, but for the others just spread out the news that we found a quest that provides us shelter and a meal per day for the immediate future, without going into specifics, and advise the rest to seek out solutions of their own.
Teaching people to fish, rather than feeding them fishes, as it were.

Does all of that make sense?
 
beardetmonkey said:
This feels like a 'i want both options at the dame time' kinda plan.
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Well, the option I was voting for was explicitly described by the QM as 'trying to find a compromise' and said to write in if we have a specific plan for said compromise. Sooo... yeah.

KittyEmpress has already agreed with my assesment that the physical training will not take all day, and has added that althought it's Very Exhausting and we could not do another strenuos activity simultaneously, talking to people, organising and finding people places would be possible.

So to summarise, the QM has confirmed that it's possible to do, and it achieves all of our goals.

- [X] We don't need to feed the other players, the NPCs have plenty of food. Find the local leaders and try to convince them to find places and guidance for us all, like the situation we have at the Guardhouse.

However I've since changed my mind, and my new proposal is above. The best part is it acheives all the same goals, with less material costs to ourselves, requires we ask less of our allies, and will probably end in better outcomes long term due to the whole 'teach to fish eat for a yada yada' dynamic.

Speaking of, @yannoshka I think you'll find my proposal is in line with what you described in your post above. The main reasons that we want to sort out the problems with the Awoken is not niave altruism, it's to stabilise our area, prevent desperation from setting in before it leads to unnecessary conflict, and lastly, to build a following. It's what Hita knows how to do: be fun and lighthearted, build a following and create a positive reputation locally and abroud. Imagine the Secret Quests that could be found here? There could be many opportunities to claim Fame by solving a large problem for the village. Additionally, I agree we don't want just anyone in our guild, many players would ruin the kind of community Hita would want to build; and to build a strong guild with trustworthy, skilled players will require we have a good reputation. This reputation could preceed us once people begin leaving the starter village. In the end, we and our party at the time will probably all go to the same place together, but if we have a great reputation and fame with other Awoken who go to other places once they leave the starter village, word could reach other fans of Hita or just other Awoken in general who may be looking to join a Guild with a helpful, trustworthy reputation.
 
[x] E. Try and convince the guards to let more players train with them, and try to convince the players to train if they say yes, to make both sides happy.
 
@Yatr
counterargument - you are hoping it would go that way.
But, from my perspective, it is still protagonitis at it's worst.

Hita is not responsible for everyone, nor, to be quite frank, would I ever trust her with my fate, thankyowery much.
With and without Ooc info.

And I try to imagine myself as one of those trapped.

So, I asked myself, if I were in that situation, would I be happy that this Otaku-flake is coming over and telling me she has fixed, or is trying to fix aaaaalll of my problems?

Heck no.
It'd get me to promptly turn around and vacate asap.
It'd make me distrustful as all heck.
It'd get me even more annoyed, and perturbed and paranoid.

It is my personal opinion that doing or trying to do too much is as bad as doing nothing. And who does and/or tries to do stuff also matters.

So, give reasonable aid.

I don't want to play this as if Hita is one of the regular isekai protags.
That is boring, annoying and frankly insulting to everyone else.
Help those who need help, do not just assume everyone needs your aid.

Again, teach people to fish.
Until and unless people nominate and/or elect Hita as a problem solver, she should help as needed, and for the most part, keep her nose out of other people's affairs.
 
[X] A. Agree with Kitan and Lightning Hoof - you don't want to see your friends get hurt by being unprepared. Stick with the training hidden quest.
 
[X] A. Agree with Kitan and Lightning Hoof - you don't want to see your friends get hurt by being unprepared. Stick with the training hidden quest.
 
KittyEmpress said:
A very loud horse woman entered the room - and if you thought the other three Guards you had met looked old, this woman looked practically ancient. Her face was sunken in to the point where you could make out every bone in her body. And yet she was still moving, and still quite loud, "You'll be with me, kiddo. The important thing for us is learning how to support our spirits.
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Hmn, "horse woman" that means she is a kirin right? But then she talked as if she also was an Azure Necromancer, so either kirin have an advanced especiality that also allows spirit summoning or there is some other factor in play here that we don't know about.

Edit: Ignore all of the above. Thanks kitty for the answer!
 
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SleepyCaterpilar said:
Hmn, "horse woman" that means she is a kirin right? But then she talked as if she also was an Azure Necromancer, so either kirin have an advanced especiality that also allows spirit summoning or there is some other factor in play here that we don't know about.
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That was a typo. She is loud and *hoarse*. Because she is clearly unwell! Thanks for noticing.
 
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