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Sanity checks with Mari should mention to not tell her more info than necessary at first, until she says its okay to tell her. keep it vague, 'we discovered a breakthrough in minato's classified sealing notes. should we tell the tower? can we tell you more details for you to help decide?'

comparable

An offscreen action we should do is get a civilian or ninja on our estate to check leaf's public documents for info about the earthshaping jutsu and its founder
 
It's worth noting that hospitals staff more aggressively on full moons. Modern hospitals.
And there's a good reason for this! They're staffed more aggressively because there are more incoming patients on the full moon. Crime rate in general is up, too. And the reason for that...

It's brighter on the full moon. That's about it. People are more likely to be out and about (and maybe getting hurt/doing crimes) when they can actually see what they're doing, and crimes that do happen are more likely to be spotted because people can see better than on a new moon.

In a strict sense this is 'cosmological stuff', the movement of the celestial spheres and how it affects our daily lives, but it's no more mystical than the tides.
 
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Given the previous killbox incidents, Word of Mari saying that Asuma would kill Hazou if he thought Hazou was trying to gain Tsunade or Naruto's loyalty, and Asuma's interlude where Asuma said he would kill Hazou "and damn the consequences" if he even suspected Hazou was trying to manipulate him?
Because he's not trying to manipulate him. This is plausible deniability in that it's just the nice thing to do as well as uniting Asuma, Naruto and Hazou in shared issues and experiences in absent fathers. It can also be examined as a political move and a concession to the clans, by reinforcing blood-related inheritance in contrast to KEI and our various initiatives, which makes Leaf more secure politically. Look, the reason we keep getting killboxed is because we're playing against the system/society in ways that raise Asuma's hackles. Every part of this, in addition to just being a good person thing to do, is moving in concert with that society's norms. Hell if you need more, Asuma literally can't start shit on this, because it might signal to the Clans that the Tower is trying to steal secrets from ninja and preventing them from passing down to their children.

Tl;dr this is a thing that a good moral person will do, that someone who wants to treat Naruto as Jiraiya would have wanted him to would do, that someone who cleaves entirely to the norms of the Elemental Nations would do and that has minimal chance of even causing strife, and zero chance of a killbox. There is literally no reason to take any other path, and doing so is likely to make relations between us and Naruto colder when we need his help to verify info on Jiraiya.
Do we know why he doesn't seal? Jiraiya would have taught him in a heartbeat. Because the risk of failure is so much greater?

He's going to understand why we took third to Jiraiya first...or Mari will tell us who to talk to first if it's a big deal.
IIRC its the Fox's chakra fucking with his ability to infuse seals.
 
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Because he's not trying to manipulate him. This is plausible deniability in that it's just the nice thing to do as well as uniting Asuma, Naruto and Hazou in shared issues and experiences in absent fathers. It can also be examined as a political move and a concession to the clans, by reinforcing blood-related inheritance, which makes Leaf more secure. Look, the reason we keep getting killboxed is because we're playing against the system/society in ways that raise Asuma's hackles. Every part of this, in addition to just being a good person thing to do, is moving in concert with that society's norms. Hell if you need more, Asuma literally can't start shit on this, because it might signal to the Clans that the Tower is trying to steal secrets from ninja and preventing them from passing down to their children.

Tl;dr this is a thing that a good moral person will do, that someone who wants to treat Naruto as Jiraiya would have wanted him to would do, that someone who cleaves entirely to the norms of the Elemental Nations would do and that has minimal chance of even causing strife, and zero chance of a killbox. There is literally no reason to take any other path, and doing so is likely to make relations between us and Naruto colder when we need his help to verify info on Jiraiya.
We know that Hazou's not trying to manipulate Naruto. But Asuma's reign relies on three people. If it even looks like Hazou (with a history of treason, and tried to outright plotted against Hiashi with Naruto) is doing that? If there's even a small chance? Asuma can't afford to take chances. "I'll kill him, and damn the consequences," remember? Asuma's own words. "I've had to learn that I'm not [Hiruzen]."

One of Naruto's gripes with Hazou is that he knows Hazou isn't loyal to Leaf, and that Naruto doesn't trust Hazou with power. We asked Kei if she could convince Naruto to sell us the Uzumaki adoption tickets, and Kei said that Naruto "wouldn't trust you to have more ninja under your power."

Naruto, who has been educated in taxes, leadership, justice, law, and everything Hokage since he was in diapers, wouldn't take kindly to a major breach in opsec. Naruto, who is very intimately aware of the dangers of jinchuuriki, wouldn't be happy we leaked the info about the Bijuu Seal, even if it was to him.

Naruto, who wanted to report the Hamlet of tax-dodgers back in the Salterns update, wouldn't view it as a gift. He'd see it as Hazou flouting/ignoring the chain of command and the authority of the Hokage.

You say it would gain us points with the Clans, reaffirming legitimacy of inheritance? Awesome. Let's give it to Naruto, after we ask Asuma's permission. Minato's bijuu notes are under Tower lock and key, and this is about Minato's bijuu notes.

You assert that Asuma "literally can't start shit" over this? I disagree. Asuma is Godking Dictator of Leaf, with a wealth of institutionalized power backing him. He can do a lot, and Minato's bijuu notes aren't Uzumaki clan secrets. They're literally the property of the Tower. Further: we're sanity checking this all with Mari, and if Mari-pilot agrees with your assessment, and decides that the trade offs are worth it? Then she'll tell us.

I really don't care about Naruto's opinion of us, provided Naruto doesn't decide to kill us, outright.

I vehemently disagree with your threat-assessment, but I'm willing to leave that up to the Mari-sanity check.

I don't care about commiting a treason because "it's how Jiraiya would want us to treat Naruto!" Jiraiya also wanted Naruto to be Goketsu Clan Head, but that isn't happening any time soon, if at all.

Naruto is more than a kid with daddy issues. He was raised to be a political leader, and he would know this (going to him before going to Asuma) as the treasonous break in opsec that it is. And Naruto, who already loathes and distrusts Hazou, would not look kindly upon that. And this is disregarding Asuma's "and damn the consequences" reaction.

Again: Godking Dictator > Blonde Demigod with Daddy Issues
 
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You are literally fabricating a breach in OPSEC where none exists. Naruto has incredibly high rank at this point. He's likely the next Hokage. He may have formal rank that I am forgetting, but at the very least he outranks every sealmaster who was previously given access to these notes. What exactly do you think we are breaching and how, because you have yet to provide any substantive breach as far as I can see.
 
I mean, Naruto literally has the same seal on his stomach, so stopping him from obtaining info on the Seal that was used on himself seems just stupid, to be honest. Regardless, as i said, we can just do both easily, it's not that complicated.


[X] Action Plan: Flashbacks and Memories
Word Count: ???
  • Flashback the Yuno conversation. For reference:
    • Yuno:
      • Sanity-check with Noburi/Mari. Heal consequences. Include Noburi if he wants.
      • Tone: respectful, following Isanese customs.
        • Employ Isanese 'clan head requests favour of valued clanswoman' forms if they exist.
      • Also, Fujisawa.
        • A key clan value is communication. What happened was the opposite of that.
        • This is not a dressing down. We know you feel bad. We know you'll apologize.
        • If you ever want support - advice, someone to talk to, whatever - let us know. We say this as a clan head and friend.
          • (Employ Isanese 'I mean this with utterly sincerity' forms if they exist.)
        • Relatedly: you need to stop assaulting people.
          • Not for Noburi, not for the clan. For her. If this continues, there will be consequences. We cannot lose her.
            • She's an incredible asset, but more importantly, family.
          • Please come to us. Whatever it is, we will help.
          • (Intensify previous Isanese forms if possible.)
  • Biju Sealing Notes:
    • Revisit the notes with the corrected journals. Update our theories accordingly.
    • Sanity-check with Mari.
      • Goal: Check if we should update Asuma/talk to Naruto. Optimize the approach.
    • Asuma:
      • Update him on our breakthrough, and our theory that the seal molds onto a chakra system.
      • We'd like to continue studying these notes. This might, eventually, involve studying Naruto's seal.
        • Confirming the theory would advance the state of sealcraft in Leaf significantly. It's possible we'd have to study Naruto's seal. May we approach him to request permission?
          • We're asking you, the Hokage and someone who knows Naruto well.
        • We'll limit ourselves to strict observation and what's necessary to confirm our theories - nothing that could disrupt the seal.
    • Naruto (if permitted):
      • Share Minato's notes and poetry.
        • Explain there's research notes mixed in.
      • We imagine he's already read them.
        • We have some memories of our Dad doing romantic things for Hana. The notes in the margin aren't the same, but if our Dad kept a journal or something, we know that we'd want to get to read through it and feel close to him.
      • Explain our chakra system theory and feel him out on eventually studying his seal.
        • Tread very lightly.
  • Get caught up on what we've missed.

Could i suggest telling Naruto about the progress on the necromancy project if he is interested? He is interested in that, after all.
 
You are literally fabricating a breach in OPSEC where none exists. Naruto has incredibly high rank at this point. He's likely the next Hokage. He may have formal rank that I am forgetting, but at the very least he outranks every sealmaster who was previously given access to these notes. What exactly do you think we are breaching and how, because you have yet to provide any substantive breach as far as I can see.
The breach in opsec is going to Naruto rather than Asuma. Naruto might be high up there, but "jonin-commander" isn't "Hokage." And Hazou needed the Hokage's permission to get Minato's Bijuu Notes, not the Jonin-Commander's.

So that means that the Hokage is the one with the authority to know about developments regarding Minato's Bijuu Notes, not the Jonin-Commander.

Minato's Bijuu Notes were a Tower secret, not an Uzumaki clan secret. Asuma didn't check with Naruto, to see if Naruto (in his capacity as Uzumaki Clan Head) approved of Hazou getting the notes. Asuma, in his capacity as Hokage, decided that Hazou could have Minato's Bijuu Notes.

Asuma even made a joke about "standard promise to kill you if you reveal these to anyone" and Hazou replied with a joking "standard quailing in terror and acknowledgement of boundaries."

If we go to Naruto, in his capacity as Uzumaki Clan Head, and go "Hey, here's new information regarding the Demonic Nuclear Aiming Software that the Fourth Hokage made!" Then Naruto, in his capacity as Jonin-commander, will see that we've broken chain of command an opsec.

I will not be voting for any plan that has Hazou skipping Asuma's check. I'll go back later and make sure that none of the plans I've voted for have it in.
 
[X] Men Will Really Open Portals to Hell Before Talking About Their Feelings
Sanity checks with Mari should mention to not tell her more info than necessary at first, until she says its okay to tell her. keep it vague, 'we discovered a breakthrough in minato's classified sealing notes. should we tell the tower? can we tell you more details for you to help decide?'
Could i suggest telling Naruto about the progress on the necromancy project if he is interested? He is interested in that, after all.
Changes made.
[X] Action Plan: Flashbacks and Memories
Word Count: ???
  • Flashback the Yuno conversation. For reference:
    • Yuno:
      • Sanity-check with Noburi/Mari. Heal consequences. Include Noburi if he wants.
      • Tone: respectful, following Isanese customs.
        • Employ Isanese 'clan head requests favour of valued clanswoman' forms if they exist.
      • [...]
      • Also, Fujisawa.
        • A key clan value is communication. What happened was the opposite of that.
        • This is not a dressing down. We know you feel bad. We know you'll apologize.
        • If you ever want support - advice, someone to talk to, whatever - let us know. We say this as a clan head and friend.
          • (Employ Isanese 'I mean this with utterly sincerity' forms if they exist.)
        • Relatedly: you need to stop assaulting people.
          • Not for Noburi, not for the clan. For her. If this continues, there will be consequences. We cannot lose her.
            • She's an incredible asset, but more importantly, family.
          • Please come to us. Whatever it is, we will help.
          • (Intensify previous Isanese forms if possible.)
  • Biju Sealing Notes:
    • Revisit the notes with the corrected journals. Update our theories accordingly.
    • Sanity-check with Mari.
      • Goals: Check if we should update Asuma/talk to Naruto. Optimize the approach. Don't break OPSEC talking to Mari.
    • Asuma:
      • Update him on our breakthrough, and our theory that the seal molds onto a chakra system.
      • We'd like to continue studying these notes. This might, eventually, involve studying Naruto's seal.
        • Confirming the theory would advance the state of sealcraft in Leaf significantly. It's possible we'd have to study Naruto's seal. May we approach him to request permission?
          • We're asking you, the Hokage and someone who knows Naruto well.
        • We'll limit ourselves to strict observation and what's necessary to confirm our theories - nothing that could disrupt the seal.
    • Naruto:
      • Give an update on studying the rift.
      • Minato (if permitted):
        • Share Minato's notes and poetry.
          • Explain there's research notes mixed in.
        • We imagine he's already read them.
          • We have some memories of our Dad doing romantic things for Hana. The notes in the margin aren't the same, but if our Dad kept a journal or something, we know that we'd want to get to read through it and feel close to him.
        • Explain our chakra system theory and feel him out on eventually studying his seal.
          • Tread very lightly.
  • Get caught up on what we've missed.
 
"I've come to pay my respects, Naruto. Your father was a better poet than anyone in Leaf understood. I don't know if I can tell you why, but I thought you should know."
 
Minato (if permitted):
Maybe include something like "can we share this with Naruto?" In the Asuma section, it's not clear who would be permitting us telling Naruto.

I don't know that we can just give the notes to Naruto, by the way. These are seemingly the originals, since they include the little notes between Minato and Kushina. Naruto hasn't wanted to share the Jutsu J left him (with us or with Leaf in general) and I can't imagine he would share this either.

Biggest concern is that this plan includes at least three scenes, I worry that there would be spillover to the next cycle.
 
Maybe include something like "can we share this with Naruto?" In the Asuma section, it's not clear who would be permitting us telling Naruto.
This has been changed.

As for the rest...We're not giving the notes to Naruto so much as sharing part of his family legacy, and we've gotten permissions from Asuma so I don't see Naruto unilaterally disobeying like that. I'd also honestly intended the plan to be a two-scene thing, with the Yuno conversation being one scene and the Naruto conversation being the other (with Asuma off-screened). @Velorien what are your thoughts on the plan?
[X] Action Plan: Flashbacks and Memories
Word Count: ???
  • Flashback the Yuno conversation. For reference:
    • Yuno:
      • Sanity-check with Noburi/Mari. Heal consequences. Include Noburi if he wants.
      • Tone: respectful, following Isanese customs.
        • Employ Isanese 'clan head requests favour of valued clanswoman' forms if they exist.
      • [...]
      • Also, Fujisawa.
        • A key clan value is communication. What happened was the opposite of that.
        • This is not a dressing down. We know you feel bad. We know you'll apologize.
        • If you ever want support - advice, someone to talk to, whatever - let us know. We say this as a clan head and friend.
          • (Employ Isanese 'I mean this with utterly sincerity' forms if they exist.)
        • Relatedly: you need to stop assaulting people.
          • Not for Noburi, not for the clan. For her. If this continues, there will be consequences. We cannot lose her.
            • She's an incredible asset, but more importantly, family.
          • Please come to us. Whatever it is, we will help.
          • (Intensify previous Isanese forms if possible.)
  • Biju Sealing Notes:
    • Revisit the notes with the corrected journals. Update our theories accordingly.
    • Sanity-check with Mari.
      • Goals: Check if we should update Asuma/talk to Naruto. Optimize the approach. Don't break OPSEC talking to Mari.
    • Asuma:
      • Update him on our breakthrough, and our theory that the seal molds onto a chakra system.
      • We'd like to continue studying these notes. This might, eventually, involve studying Naruto's seal.
        • Confirming the theory would advance the state of sealcraft in Leaf significantly. It's possible we'd have to study Naruto's seal. May we approach him to request permission?
          • We're asking you, the Hokage and someone who knows Naruto well.
        • We'll limit ourselves to strict observation and what's necessary to confirm our theories - nothing that could disrupt the seal.
        • If possible, can we share any of this with Naruto? This is part of his family legacy...
    • Naruto:
      • Give an update on studying the rift.
      • Minato (if permitted):
        • Share his notes and poetry.
          • Explain there's research notes mixed in.
        • We imagine he's already read them.
          • We have some memories of our Dad doing romantic things for Hana. The notes in the margin aren't the same, but if our Dad kept a journal or something, we know that we'd want to get to read through it and feel close to him.
        • Explain our chakra system theory and feel him out on eventually studying his seal.
          • Tread very lightly.
  • Get caught up on what we've missed.
 
A few notes:
With the quoted section, the plan weighs in around 396 words. It's one day so I don't (personally) mind the 1 XP hit of failing to hit wordcount, if the QMs (reasonably) rule that the words count. Without them, we're around 250.
Asuma:
  • Update him on our breakthrough, and our theory that the seal molds onto a chakra system.
  • We'd like to continue studying these notes. This might, eventually, involve studying Naruto's seal.
    • Confirming the theory would advance the state of sealcraft in Leaf significantly. It's possible we'd have to study Naruto's seal. May we approach him to request permission?
      • We're asking you, the Hokage and someone who knows Naruto well.
    • We'll limit ourselves to strict observation and what's necessary to confirm our theories - nothing that could disrupt the seal.
    • If possible, can we share any of this with Naruto? This is part of his family legacy...
I want to make it very clear to everyone that telling Asuma that our insight will 'significantly advance the state of sealcraft in Leaf' is tantamount to telling him that we plan on making our findings public - at the very least, accessible to non-Goketsu sealmasters cleared for Minato's notes. I think this is a good idea. I also think that it's important to do this mindfully.

With that context, it's a little weird to ask about telling Naruto specifically, given that we've told Asuma we think we should tell some, non-Naruto, people. So, suggested changes below.
Asuma:
  • Update him on our breakthrough, and our theory that the seal molds onto a chakra system.
  • May we continue investigating this? Our goal is to (eventually) make our findings available to Leaf's (cleared) sealmasters.
  • May we approach Naruto to discuss this? It's part of his legacy.
  • May we approach Naruto to ask if we can study his seal?
    • Strict observation, only what's necessary to confirm our theories, and nothing that could disrupt the seal.
    • We're asking you as the Hokage and someone who knows Naruto well.
This saves ~20 words, and IMO is clearer. We ask three separate questions, each of which is motivated, instead of something of a jumble.

If we aren't planning on eventually making this available to Leaf's cleared sealmasters, then we should at a minimum not talk with Naruto (he won't be impressed that we plan to turn his father's notes into a Goketsu clan secret) and very likely not discuss it with Asuma, because he doesn't need to know about theoretical research we're doing and he certainly doesn't need to know about something that might wind up being a clan secret. FWIW this is not a course of action I support - I think we have a responsibility to disclose at least some of what we've figured out.
 
Changes made. Given that it makes explicit the desire to give away this knowledge to cleared Leaf sealmasters, I want to ping everyone who voted for the plan. Thus @Inferno Vulpix @Shrooms @FaintlySorcerous @RandomOTP @coldcutconvict @MrRobot @ContextBot @Lord Marshal @ProperAttorney Let me know if this works for you all.
[X] Action Plan: Flashbacks and Memories
Word Count: ???
  • Flashback the Yuno conversation. For reference:
    • Yuno:
      • Sanity-check with Noburi/Mari. Heal consequences. Include Noburi if he wants.
      • Tone: respectful, following Isanese customs.
        • Employ Isanese 'clan head requests favour of valued clanswoman' forms if they exist.
      • [...]
      • Also, Fujisawa.
        • A key clan value is communication. What happened was the opposite of that.
        • This is not a dressing down. We know you feel bad. We know you'll apologize.
        • If you ever want support - advice, someone to talk to, whatever - let us know. We say this as a clan head and friend.
          • (Employ Isanese 'I mean this with utterly sincerity' forms if they exist.)
        • Relatedly: you need to stop assaulting people.
          • Not for Noburi, not for the clan. For her. If this continues, there will be consequences. We cannot lose her.
            • She's an incredible asset, but more importantly, family.
          • Please come to us. Whatever it is, we will help.
          • (Intensify previous Isanese forms if possible.)
  • Biju Sealing Notes:
    • Revisit the notes with the corrected journals. Update our theories accordingly.
    • Sanity-check with Mari.
      • Goals: Check if we should update Asuma/talk to Naruto. Optimize the approach. Don't break OPSEC talking to Mari.
    • Asuma:
      • Update him on our breakthrough, and our theory that the seal molds onto a chakra system.
      • May we continue investigating this? Our goal is to (eventually) make our findings available to Leaf's (cleared) sealmasters.
      • May we approach Naruto to discuss this? It's part of his legacy.
      • May we approach Naruto to ask if we can study his seal?
        • Strict observation and only what's necessary to confirm our theories. Nothing that could disrupt the seal.
        • We're asking you as the Hokage and someone who knows Naruto well.
    • Naruto:
      • Give an update on studying the rift.
      • Minato (if permitted):
        • Share his notes and poetry.
          • Explain there's research notes mixed in.
        • We imagine he's already read them.
          • We have some memories of our Dad doing romantic things for Hana. The notes in the margin aren't the same, but if our Dad kept a journal or something, we know that we'd want to get to read through it and feel close to him.
        • Explain our chakra system theory and feel him out on eventually studying his seal.
          • Tread very lightly.
  • Get caught up on what we've missed.
 
Let me know if this works for you all.
I would also mention the intention of using the biju seal to seal the dragons.
Also we probably don't need to state the intention to share with leaf's clear sealmasters this should be property of the tower, asuma would decide ho get's it.

Said that you plan would not get us in needlessly hot water in my view so i still would vote for it as is.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Jun 14, 2022 at 2:04 PM, finished with 130 posts and 13 votes.


Voting is closed early.

Hi, folks. I'm still enjoying my hand injury, but Yog-Sothoth willing, I'm on the way to recovery. As such, I'll be aiming to publish a short interlude on Thursday, giving an overdue introduction to the new Gōketsu chūnin.

 
Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Jun 14, 2022 at 2:04 PM, finished with 130 posts and 13 votes.


Voting is closed early.

Hi, folks. I'm still enjoying my hand injury, but Yog-Sothoth willing, I'm on the way to recovery. As such, I'll be aiming to publish a short interlude on Thursday, giving an overdue introduction to the new Gōketsu chūnin.

*screaming in Kagome*
 
@eaglejarl, does this conversation (current incarnation of faf's plan, quoted above) with Asuma and Naruto feel high-stakes enough to be an interesting update to write?

I'm trying to feel you out on whether or not we'll be able to recycle most of it when the next voting cycle rolls around.
 
Interlude: The Mission that Time Forgot, Part 2
More Kagome backstory! I wonder how long the QMs have been sitting on this one?
Kōgami Yūna hated absolutely everything about this mission, she reflected as she planted another seal from her steadily-dwindling supply on the chest of a shambling monstrosity, then backflipped away to avoid two others' tentacle lashes before the seal activated. Standing on the opposite wall, she allowed herself a second's smug grin as Kōgami's Spatial Distortion Seal activated, blowing all three of them into tiny chunks which were instantly sucked away into interdimensional space to avoid contamination (or lucky survivors). Then the bleeding faces started appearing under her feet again.
I can't help but notice that this is a different protagonist than the last one. And also female.
She hated everything. She hated the locals in Fire Province, who'd been too scared to show her the way to the lair in the city ruins, and she hated her own oath not to shed civilian blood again after the excesses of the War. She hated the malodorous fools on the Council who'd sent her here, especially Lady Uzumaki— Yūna was a loremaster, the very best, not some expendable field agent. Who had uncovered and deciphered the ancient scrolls containing the terrible truth about the Sage's brother? Who had forced Firelord Madara to the bargaining table by identifying the Sharingan's secret weakness? Whose mastery of eldritch lore had allowed Whirlpool to locate and secure the Great Seal on Nagi Island before some ingenious fool found a way to power the array? Not Lady Uzumaki's, that's for sure.
Is this even the same world as ours? I think this implies that she's an agent of Whirlpool's?
But most of all, Yūna decided as she abandoned her sandals before they were devoured, she hated Surgeon General Orochimaru and every idiot with a scalpel who thought it was a great idea to imitate his work with neither the safety constraints he'd pioneered nor the ethical constraints he'd grudgingly accepted. The Spiritual Society of Sublime Slithering Superiority should count themselves lucky they'd all died particularly excruciating deaths and/or turned into mindless abominations before Yūna could get to them. Those sandals had been a gift from family.
That's a different SSSSS! How many ways are there to make that acronym???
Yūna's litany of curses was interrupted by an eardrum-shattering smash as the biggest flesh golem she'd seen yet took out the entire wall to her right. The misshapen abomination reached for her with two many-jointed, elongated arms while three smaller ones held it upright on its stubby childlike feet. Its battle cry was less a roar and more a piteous squeal raised to Greater Banshee Seal volume, but Yūna had heard worse only today.

"Come on, then, you miserable thing!" she snarled with bared teeth. "I've been waiting for a chance to field-test the Recursive Implosion Seal!"
Alright, alt-Kagome. Maybe better at Sealing if she's got fancy implosion upgrades.
-o-​

"Captain Miyu, the enemy's breached the third defensive layer."

"Then deal with it and stop bothering me, you reeking moron!" Kaga Miyu spat at Satoshi, then regretted it instantly. Satoshi was a good comrade. He'd agreed to follow her into this hellhole with only a second's hesitation, despite knowing that, likely as not, they would all die here.
Okay.... another alt-Kagome?
"Sorry," Miyu muttered.

Satoshi just gave a calm nod before heading down Passage L, the one they'd cleared of booby-traps (and then Miyu had thoroughly re-booby-trapped) only yesterday. A good comrade. Probably not a traitor, which was the highest evaluation Miyu was comfortable giving anyone. In another life, maybe she could've—
This one is more of a trapper and less of a "loremaster", that's something.
A distant explosion. A 4-3-7 on the Kaga Scale. Her next project would have to be to up the shockwave intensity so it didn't drop off quite so fast over distance.
All the Kagomes seem enthusiastic about explosions!
What next project?

Miyu shook her head and picked up the next report. They'd lost so many good men and women to get this far. Team Yuki had stopped reporting in after sending them the intel on Facility Zero. Teams Kōmori and No-Name had dropped back to divert pursuit and never caught back up. And, of course, if it hadn't been for Team F, they'd never have escaped the farms to begin with. Maybe at least Master F had made it out alive.
Was Komori the jounin in Hot Springs? F is a real character. I'm not sure how much of this is like fever dreams.
A 4-3-1. One of them had managed to disarm the primary detonator, but the fool had missed the secondary. There was still time.

Miyu snapped the scroll shut and threw it over her shoulder, then unrolled the next one on the rack. No good. Next.

It had taken so long to get to the master workroom. Masashi, the brave fool who'd told her off for slowing them down with all the extra paper, had ignored her warnings and walked right in. He'd been squished before making it past the door. Kuro, even careful as he was, couldn't have predicted the genjutsu seal, and seeing that level of protection had been proof that there was something here after all. And then Ayako... Ayako, her one and only...
Genjutsu seals are real in this reality! Also, Ayako also exists and is dear to this Kagome.
Several blasts in a row. They were past the first ring. Was this it? The final assault already?

No good. Next.

They'd been here for days. Three squads had volunteered to escort her here, and now they had a squad and a half left. Miyu couldn't fail.

No good. Next.

Faint screams in the background. She'd placed the Force Walls so they weren't obvious even after they started chopping them up. Who was paranoid now?

No good. Next.
This one has a lot more "Kagome" vibe than the last one, though still a little less than the one from last interlude.
The answers had to be here. Somebody had made them, here at Facility Zero. Somebody had left behind the trick to keeping them under control, even if they'd failed at it somewhere along the way. There had to be a means to destroy them. There had to be.
What is them? Zombies of some sort? Uncontrolled Lupchanzen?
A ragged breath came from behind her. She nearly planted a kunai in Michiko's chest as she spun around, before recognising her comrade (likely not a traitor, the next step down).

Michiko was holding her left side. Blood trickled down between her fingers, dripping abstract patterns onto the floor.

"They just keep coming. This is the one, Miyu. With that many bodies to throw at the array, they'll be here in minutes. Take what you can and get out. Me and Yoshi'll fake them out with the Transformation Technique, but we won't be able to hold them for long."
The what?
A 5-5-5. They'd reached the good stuff.

Miyu shook her head. "I'm nearly there, Michiko, I swear. We'll all get out together."

Michiko gave a sudden hiss of pain. "There's no time, Miyu. You have to live. You're the only one with enough crypto to figure this shit out. Get... going, dammit."

Cursing everything, Miyu began grabbing the scrolls in the "promising" pile and stuffing them in her sealmaster satchel. Just as well she was down to only a couple of thousand seals. Plenty of room.

"We'll meet again..." Miyu hesitated. With the Mōnai area swarming with them, which rendezvous points wouldn't be compromised?
That's the town that other Kagome's in, and the other pov in this chapter was in "Fire Province"... is this some sort of "convergence of parallele universes" thing?
Michiko gave a slow, melancholy smile. "Well meet again in a better world, Miyu. Now get your ass to the escape tunnel before I have to kick it down there."

Miyu couldn't find any words to say. She never could, when it mattered. Instead, she gave Michiko the Resistance salute and ran yet again.
A Resistance, so they is some sort of evil government?
They were waiting for her at the exit.

Miyu should probably have been proud. They thought she was important enough to send the best. Instead, all she could feel was a weary, pale despair.

"You are the first to make it this far in twelve years, Subject 3314," Nara Shikaku told her in a precise voice that made the numbers feel like needles pinning her down. "Furthermore, you have broken the previous record for length of survival. Though, in fairness, by the time Jiraiya reached this place, we had more than enough data on him to be efficient.
So the previous thing was some sort of test? The recurring characters so far have been Madara, Orochimaru, Shikaku, and Jiraiya, apart from the Kagomes and Ayako.
"Limited comfort though it may be to you, anyone who reaches the Origin Shrine is assigned a master-class at least. It is a much more beneficial experience than you imagine."

"It was a trap," Miyu whispered.

"Quite," Nara said. "Shimura Yuki was the traitor, in case you were wondering."

"We scanned her with the Lupchanzen Detector Seal," Miyu exclaimed. "Those have been tested to Naraka and back!"
So both!
"Jiraiya's original was a miracle of sealcrafting," Nara allowed. "It required only slight modification before being released into your hands. How many uses do you suppose it takes before it ceases to give accurate results?"

They'd all died for nothing. There were no secrets in the scrolls in her satchel—or worse, they were lies for anyone who got this far and managed to escape.

Nara—or the thing inside Nara—had started to lower its guard. It liked to talk, and would expect some last defiant speech for sure before Miyu tried to fight against impossible odds.

Miyu wasn't a reeking moron.

"Kaga's Joy!" she yelled as her final seal turned all the chakra in her body into raw destruction, and the last, joyful thing she saw was the look of shock on Nara's face as he and Facility Zero were erased from existence.
An old classic. I wonder if the chakra-energy tradeoff is any better than the mass-energy one.
-o-​

"Hurry up, you useless meatbag," Kimura muttered over Yūsuke's shoulder. "All hell's gonna break loose if we're still here when the window closes."
Okay, so we're back to... real Kagome?
Yūsuke bit back a retort. The stinking idiot had no idea how complicated it was, setting exploding tags at exactly the right structural weak points in a castle about which he knew practically nothing, under time pressure, with constant distractions. Worse, he'd underestimated how many seals he'd need. If he was going to finish the job, he'd have to make more here and now, with no time to double-check his work.
And that's why you can never have enough explosives. 5 minutes per seal is unacceptable in the field.

Aside: if we ever get 3D Sealing, no doubt it'll be even harder than regular sealing. No way we're doing it in live combat.
A few minutes later, while his teammates alternated between nervously patrolling the halls and yelling at him to hurry up (all except Ayako, perfect, patient Ayako), Yūsuke pulled out his calligraphy set and got to work. With so little time, he couldn't afford to scribe the ordinary tags he could make in his sleep. He'd need to make a handful of his more advanced seals, the ones he was less experienced with, and he didn't like how that stacked risk on top of risk. Next time, he'd use a loadout with a bigger margin of error.

"We're behind schedule," that fool Yasaka snapped at him. "Are you even trying, Kagamoron?"
I can see why this is would be frustrating to the field members of the team, to be defending a point so that their teammate can do some annoying painting.
Yūsuke didn't know what set his teeth on edge more—the fact that Yasaka thought he was being witty, or the fact that Yūsuke couldn't think of a clever comeback when there must've been a million.

"Chill, Ryūji," came Ayako's calming voice. "I know we're all tense, but I'm sure Kagami is working as hard as he can, and you looming over his shoulder's not going to get the job done any faster."

Yūsuke's frustration began to ebb as the feeling of her presence washed over him. Stroke after stroke, dot after dot. Just like his instructors had taught him. Simple. Systematic. Yūsuke was the brush. The paper was the world. Nothing else mattered. Nothing else existed. To master the seal, one mastered oneself. To master oneself, one mastered the seal.
I'm always curious about what seals actually look like. What does it mean if a seal is simple or complex?
Next, the infusion. His chakra was the river. The seal was the channel. His will would keep the course smooth and the water pure.

"Sorry, babe. You know how I can get when things aren't going to plan."

A note of wrongness in the trance. Despite himself, Yūsuke let his eyes flick upwards, away from the paper, for just a moment.

"Let me take your mind off it, then," Ayako purred. Then, she reached up on tiptoe and kissed Yasaka. Slowly. Deeply. As if she was his girlfriend.
Did not see that coming.
Yūsuke's chakra exploded through the sealing blank, sweeping away the nodes and flooding the converters, demolishing the carefully-laid structure as surely as he'd meant to demolish the castle.
Well, that is one way to demolish the castle.
It took him an unforgivable second to realise what he'd done.

"Run!" Yūsuke screamed as he leapt away from the seal with every bit of strength in his body.

He was too late. No, he could only have been too late.

Everything was in slow motion as Yūsuke's feet hit the ground. Ayako, staring at him in horror. Yasaka, already turning towards the exit. Ayako and Yasaka's skins, slowly melting into nothingness, exposing raw pink flesh. The stone of the walls beginning to fade out. Flesh melting into nothingness, exposing eyeballs, teeth, viscera, hearts pulsating. As bone began to erase itself…
Well, at least he got one back at Yasaka? Shame about Ayako though.
KAGAMI/yūsuke.

It was not a voice. He understood it, but it was not a voice. It was knowledge, like two plus two being four. He knew that someone, something, had said his name.

The suddenness of it was like a lid over his mind. The terror, the panic, the guilt—they were still there, bubbling away beneath the surface, but they were covered by something he could pretend was calm.

KAGAMI/yūsuke has been judged ANOMALOUS/forbidden.
Is this the universe talking to him? This seems extremely weird. Everything about this seems very unusual and unlikely. It doesn't seem like some Out entity or similar, and it's not in quotes or anything. It's styled weird, like CAPS/lower, but that's just used to divide the name up, not like it's some kind of filesystem.
What was happening? Something was wrong with his memories. His thoughts didn't make sense. Yūsuke felt an impulse to clutch his head, as if having it in his hands would be proof it was still in one piece, but he couldn't move.

A CORRECTION/shift will now be implemented with a ????/????.

Yūsuke didn't understand. It was as if he'd forgotten something the second he learned it, leaving only a memory-shaped gap. Panic rose up from his very depths as he felt… What was this? It wasn't death, but it wasn't not death. What was happening to him?
So this is the grue?
KAGAMI/yūsuke will be ????/unwritten.
Yeah. Interesting. I assume the ????s are some sort of "unknowable" concept or word?
"No!" Yūsuke screamed inside his head.

Briefly, all was still.

There had to be a way out of this. Something was talking to him, or at least giving him information. Maybe it was listening too?

As everything hung in the balance, Yūsuke got an idea. It was a brilliant idea, even better than the seal he was working on. All he had to do was bluff the unknown being from the Out.
I hope this Kagome is good at Deception. This really doesn't seem like an Outer being from what I'd expect, style-wise. More like a universal custodian, which is weird.
Kagami Yūsuke: Deception 1 - 12 = -11

?????????????????????:????????????????????
Sometimes, you fail a TN -10 check. At least he put 1 rank in Deception??
"You've got the wrong guy!" Yūsuke mentally shouted. "I'm not Kagami Yūsuke at all. I'm… I'm… Kagome Yū! Yeah! Kagome Yū is the name that is… my name!"
So he just made the name up? And Kagome is the made up family name?
Everything was still for a second longer as the being was completely taken in by his amazing feat of deception.





ERROR/inaccuracy is acknowledged. The ????/???? will be updated.
And sometimes it works out? I guess you fail a check hard enough and you succeed instead, just in a way far, far more horrifying than any failure.
Just as Yūsuke was sure he'd pulled it off, one last memory changed everything.

KAGOME/yū is missing. MANIFESTING/reconstructing from ????/????.

-o-​

In the depths of the cult lair, Kōgami Yūna covered her eyes as the Recursive Implosion Seal consumed the victim(s) of experimental biosealing, only to release a flash of light that had definitely not been in the design specifications…
So it's pulling in similarly named people from similar situations in alternate universes?
-o-​

Kaga Miyu felt a flash of panic as she suddenly remembered the two thousand infused seals she was carrying on her person, before they too were consumed by the fires of perfect annihilation…

-o-​

Professor Ka Gimon dove for cover as his noxious imbecile of an apprentice began to infuse the incomplete blank…

-o-​

Mei, scavenging in the heart of the lost city, froze as a decaying seal left over from the Last War flared to life beneath her…

-o-​

High Watcher Kuge Maya accepted her fate with grace as the panicking sealmaster slammed his seal down on the table and triggered a deliberate sealing failure…
Six Kagomes... six continues to be a recurring number, all present at the site of a sealing failure, probably in the Land of Fire...
-o-​

Kagome ran full pelt through the city streets/fortress corridors/cavernous depths/emergency tunnels/… as reality unmade and remade itself around him. Walls and roofs faded into nothing, exposing startled people. People faded into nothing, from the outside in, with—he prayed—no time for fear or pain. Paving stones became grass beneath his feet, twigs, rocks. By the time he got to the city outskirts, there was nothing ahead of him but trees, painting themselves into existence suddenly enough that at ninja speed, what had been a clear plain became a deadly obstacle course. Kagome kept running anyway. Behind him lay only a city he'd erased/a maze made of bio-horrors/Facility Zero/the cursed ruins/.../Ayako. Behind him lay only... lay only...
Is this reality changing around him, or him dipping in and out of different realities? Or just inconsistent memories being composited?

I wonder if the operation was destructive, and sucked in the other Kagomes, or if they are still out there and kicking.
His head was a mess. There was no time to figure it out now. Kagome kept running.

Kagome kept running. He already knew he'd never, ever be able to stop.
Strange interlude. Almost too strange to believe.

@Velorien Was this interlude canon?
 
Defensive techniques are still good, since they let you survive long enough for your summons to sweep up. Still, 1000 XP for PEA is expensive. Even HM 50 is only 500 XP for him. When you compare against the opportunity cost of raising Alertness so he can move first, or Ath/Sub to dodge (both of which move him closer to jounin), or even his other good armor techniquu or HitM or WDB... it seems really hard to justify.
I think this was sitting on my quotes buffer and I responded previously, but repeating just in case: It costs 1000 XP to buy the element but you immediately get 500 XP refunded which you must invest in techniques for that element (fluff: the ones that you've been practicing in order to figure out the element).


@eaglejarl, does this conversation (current incarnation of faf's plan, quoted above) with Asuma and Naruto feel high-stakes enough to be an interesting update to write?

I'm trying to feel you out on whether or not we'll be able to recycle most of it when the next voting cycle rolls around.
Sounds like fun to me.

OTOH, to keep things simple, when Saturday rolls around I'll run the tally from chapter 523 so that it includes these votes.

EDIT:
I have been persuaded to run the tally the normal way, from the threadmark that will come out Thursday. (Or maybe Friday, depending on how much Velorien's hand is bothering him.)
 
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Six Kagomes... six continues to be a recurring number, all present at the site of a sealing failure, probably in the Land of Fire...
I think it's actually likely there are more than six alt-universes involved in... whatever this is. Partly intuition, based on how we started with a few detailed examples but then got a few scattershot glimpses, but more precisely I note how "Behind him lay only a city he'd erased/a maze made of bio-horrors/Facility Zero/the cursed ruins/.../Ayako." follows a pattern that devolves into an unambiguous 'etc.'

Of course, only four of the six realities are listed before the etc., but the impression it gives me is that there are probably more than two hidden there. So my accounting of things is that there are 'at least six alt-Kagomes' (including Kagami Yusuke), with potential for who-knows-how-many more.

I also think it's likely Captain Kaga Miyu died in Whirlpool's area, since Kagome says the Lupchanzen were created in Whirlpool and Kaga Miyu died in their Origin Shrine. Not rock solid, but seems more likely than not.
 
OTOH, to keep things simple, when Saturday rolls around I'll run the tally from chapter 523 so that it includes these votes.
While I really appreciate what I'm reading as 'hey, this would be easier for the players', I would personally prefer you re-open voting. The plans that are currently in contention (with a decent number of votes) are tailored for Vel to one degree or another. (Unless you feel good about writing the Yuno flashback, too?)

Alternately, @faflec, would you like to post this or a similar plan? Full disclosure, I made a few edits I personally feel are small/common-sense, but it isn't an exact copy of your plan. It also has room for some offscreen fun if we're so inclined.

[Y] Action Plan: Wait, EJ Said This Meeting Sounded Fun
Word Count: 251
  • (offscreen?) Get caught up on what we've missed.
    • MARI, AMITY, other acronyms and goings-on.
    • Catch up with family and friends. Spend time with Harumitsu.
  • Biju Sealing Notes:
    • Revisit the notes with the corrected journals. Update our theories accordingly.
    • Talk/sanity-check with Mari.
      • Confirm it's appropriate to update Asuma/talk to Naruto. Optimize our approach. Don't break OPSEC talking to Mari.
    • Asuma:
      • Update him on our breakthrough, and our theory that the seal molds onto a chakra system.
      • May we continue investigating this? Our goal is to (eventually) make our findings available to Leaf's (cleared) sealmasters.
      • May we approach Naruto to discuss this? It's part of his legacy.
      • May we approach Naruto to ask if we can study his seal?
        • Strictly observation and only what's necessary to confirm our theories. Nothing that could disrupt the seal.
        • We're asking you as the Hokage and someone who knows Naruto well.
    • Naruto:
      • Give an update on studying the rift.
      • If permitted, share Minato's notes/poetry.
        • We imagine he's already read them, but we have some memories of our Dad doing romantic things for Hana. The notes in the margin aren't the same, but if our Dad kept a journal or something, we'd want to read through it and feel close to him.
      • Explain the poetry contains instructions/notes.
      • Explain our chakra system theory.
      • Feel him out on eventually studying his seal.
        • Tread very lightly - we don't need to do this any time soon, so don't bring it up unless it seems likely it'll be well-received.
 
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