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Doccer said:
I'll add colorful origami folding leaves because that's interesting, but just say fruits because any further and that's too much.
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I want to point out that I already proposed a fruit idea this turn.

And I chose to give Stone Seedlings smelly fruit specifically for this because it allows us sends a new creature population to populate the now empty plains and preventing the Roundmen following the Krowgard from extincting the Nosemen. Which I think will happen. The current advantage for the Nosemen is that they live in groups and are better able avoid danger better, which is an advantage that will lose value due to how the territorial Roundmen working together with the Krowgard.

As it stands your fruits will just become another foodsource for the Krowgard's Roundmen.
 
Pandemonious Ivy said:
I want the seedlings to grow a second mouth. This might do nothing. It might be hilarious.
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You just have to find a way to justify it.

If my plan succeeds then the inland will turn into a arid dessert.

A vampire plant, that doesn't acquire their nutrients of their water from the soil, but from creatures that it manages to take a bit of. Could then be sensible adaptation.

If we then develop a small and numerous creature desert creature that has a reason to move towards the plants. Then the seedling decadents could have a reason to develop a way to catch multiple one prey animal at the same time.

And there you have it a reason to have multiple mouths.

EDIT: for those wondering why I'm so actively trying to sell my fruits I want to point out that my first plan in this quest were also fruits.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Tam Lin on Mar 30, 2022 at 2:02 AM, finished with 21 posts and 9 votes.
  • [X] [Roundmen] Some spend enough time hunting in and around the water that they develop amphibious fins, webbing, and gills.
    [X] Stone Seedling: Neigbors are always a pain, that is why Stone Seedlings do the smart thing and go out of their way to starve them of resources. In addition to draining the ground of minerals the Stone seedlings have begun draining the soil of as much water as possible in order to deny their neighbors their resources. They have begun storing the water in fruits in which they will slowly turn the water into a smelly sugary syrup. If they have a large excess of water, like after a good rainshower they would rather have their fruits sweat that syrup than to leave it in the ground for their neighbors. They have also begun putting their babies in these fruits, since they kept getting taken away and it seemed to be a good way to prevent their children from becoming their neighbors.
    [X] Krow: Krebs are growing into short supply, so start trying to protect and farm them(while also forcefully gathering and grouping them).
    [x]Some Roundmen learn to swim, moving into the shallow waters to eat Seadlings and escape Krows and Digkrebs
    [X] [Seedlings] Most of the body remains underground. Only sending up their colorful leaves when sensing warmth and light. Then retracting the leaves down via origami folding during cold and darkness where they can safely regrow any loss. With larger leaves for more sunlight and deeper roots for more water and nutrients. Any excess that doesn't go into making their bulb bigger and tougher gets periodically used to make rich fruit above ground.
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    • Unable to obtain territory on land, some Roundmen have migrated to the sea, consuming the Seadlings that periodically migrate there.

    Despite Seadling presence being somewhat seasonal, the Finmen find success by alternating between land and sea.

    This reduces the pressure on Seedlings during Seadling season.

    However, the continued presence of Krowgards have rendered Krebs extinct. With one less predator to worry about, Roundmen experience a population boom and the population boom comes with renewed territorial wars.

    The Roundman population boom greatly increases the consumption of Seedlings. seedlings will become extinct in 3 turns

    Furthermore, selection pressures from both the Nosemen and Finmen as well as increased infighting are threatening to render Roundmen extinct. However, they are being protected from extinction by the Krowgards, who favor certain Roundmen families.

    Select one monster to evolve
    >Roundman
    >Noseman
    >Finman
    >Rokreb
    >Digkreb
    >Krow (Will go extinct in 5 turns)
    >Krowgard
    >Seedling (Will go extinct in 3 turns)
    >Stone Seedling
    >Seadling
     
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    • [X] The Digkreb and some Seedlings have formed a symbiotic relationship. Seedlings will grow in the Carnivorous Digkreb pits where they are protected from the Roundmen and Rokrebs by the Digkreb and in turn the leaves that are are shown above-ground by the Seedlings will lure prey into the pit for the Digkreb.

    Seedling legitimately cannot go extinct, it will mess up the ecosystem.
     
    [X] The Digkreb and some Seedlings have formed a symbiotic relationship. Seedlings will grow in the Carnivorous Digkreb pits where they are protected from the Roundmen and Rokrebs by the Digkreb and in turn the leaves that are are shown above-ground by the Seedlings will lure prey into the pit for the Digkreb
     
    [X] The Digkreb and some Seedlings have formed a symbiotic relationship. Seedlings will grow in the Carnivorous Digkreb pits where they are protected from the Roundmen and Rokrebs by the Digkreb and in turn the leaves that are are shown above-ground by the Seedlings will lure prey into the pit for the Digkreb
     
    [X] The Digkreb and some Seedlings have formed a symbiotic relationship. Seedlings will grow in the Carnivorous Digkreb pits where they are protected from the Roundmen and Rokrebs by the Digkreb and in turn the leaves that are are shown above-ground by the Seedlings will lure prey into the pit for the Digkreb
     
    [X] The Digkreb and some Seedlings have formed a symbiotic relationship. Seedlings will grow in the Carnivorous Digkreb pits where they are protected from the Roundmen and Rokrebs by the Digkreb and in turn the leaves that are are shown above-ground by the Seedlings will lure prey into the pit for the Digkreb.
     
    [X] The Digkreb and some Seedlings have formed a symbiotic relationship. Seedlings will grow in the Carnivorous Digkreb pits where they are protected from the Roundmen and Rokrebs by the Digkreb and in turn the leaves that are are shown above-ground by the Seedlings will lure prey into the pit for the Digkreb

    Huh, I expected roundmen to outcompete the Nosemen.
    I guess that being ruled by a leader who wants to eat you isn't very good for your long term survival.
     
    [X] The Digkreb and some Seedlings have formed a symbiotic relationship. Seedlings will grow in the Carnivorous Digkreb pits where they are protected from the Roundmen and Rokrebs by the Digkreb and in turn the leaves that are are shown above-ground by the Seedlings will lure prey into the pit for the Digkreb
     
    [X] [Seedlings] Most of the body remains underground. Only sending up their colorful leaves when sensing warmth and light. Then retracting the leaves down via origami folding during cold and darkness where they can safely regrow any loss. With larger leaves for more sunlight and deeper roots for more water and nutrients. Any excess goes into making their bulb bigger and thicker.

    [X] [Seedlings] Most of the body remains underground. Only sending up their colorful leaves when sensing warmth and light. Then retracting the leaves down via origami folding during cold and darkness where they can safely regrow any loss. With larger leaves for more sunlight and deeper roots for more water and nutrients.

    [X] [Seedlings] Develop lighter bodies that requires less nutrition with big airy leaf structures for catch the wind to fly\float away from danger and to spread. The airy leaves can also catch nutrients in the air. Will occasionally poop excess nutrients as edible "nuts" that can be consumed by all species. Air Ferns.

    [X] [Krow&Seadlings] The Krows start lashing Seedlings together to form a base with which to nest their eggs well away from predators. Resulting in Seadlings that naturally grow in clumps and Krows that are skilled in sea navigation, long flights, some diving, and quick attacks.
     
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    [X] The Digkreb and some Seedlings have formed a symbiotic relationship. Seedlings will grow in the Carnivorous Digkreb pits where they are protected from the Roundmen and Rokrebs by the Digkreb and in turn the leaves that are are shown above-ground by the Seedlings will lure prey into the pit for the Digkreb
     
    Doccer said:
    [X] [Seedlings] Most of the body remains underground. Only sending up their colorful leaves when sensing warmth and light. Then retracting the leaves down via origami folding during cold and darkness where they can safely regrow any loss. With larger leaves for more sunlight and deeper roots for more water and nutrients. Any excess that doesn't go into making their bulb bigger and tougher gets periodically used to make rich fruit above ground.

    [X] [Krow&Seadlings] The Krows start lashing Seedlings together to form a base with which to nest their eggs well away from predators. Resulting in Seadlings that naturally grow in clumps and Krows that are skilled in sea navigation, long flights, some diving, and quick attacks.
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    The seedling mutation is a bit much in my opnion. I might will vote for it if it is only the leave mutation.

    The Crow/seadling symbiosis seems interesting, but seedlings have my priority at the moment.
     
    [X] The Digkreb and some Seedlings have formed a symbiotic relationship. Seedlings will grow in the Carnivorous Digkreb pits where they are protected from the Roundmen and Rokrebs by the Digkreb and in turn the leaves that are are shown above-ground by the Seedlings will lure prey into the pit for the Digkreb
     
    WallFlower said:
    The seedling mutation is a bit much in my opnion. I might will vote for it if it is only the leave mutation.
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    What are you talking about? That's all mutations. And I'm starting with the basic Seedlings so the room for mutations is at it's highest.
    WallFlower said:
    Yes, that is why I'm proposing to include those changes as pre-requisites to be done before we send them up into the air where they won't be able to gather enough nutrition.

    As for too many changes being a problem. The Seadlings had longer roots in their proposal and those were automatically filtered out, so I expecting Tam Lin to be capable of sanity checking us.
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    And your the one that made this as a prerequisite for the Air Ferns. Why complain now?
     
    Doccer said:
    What are you talking about? That's all mutations. And I'm starting with the basic Seedlings so the room for mutations is at it's highest.

    And your the one that made this as a prerequisite for the Air Ferns. Why complain now?
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    I was unclear in my communication and chose wrong words that. I should have used less ambiguous language to make it sound less like I'm complaining. And more like what I'm meaning to do which is provide constructive criticism for concepts.

    What I meant to say, and probably should have said is that I'm a bit leery about package deal mutations in general.

    Tam Lin said:
    >Roundman
    >Noseman
    >Finman
    >Rokreb
    >Digkreb
    >Krow (Will go extinct in 5 turns)
    >Krowgard
    >Seedling (Will go extinct in 3 turns)
    >Stone Seedling
    >Seadling
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    Nosemen are roundmen that can sense whether others die Roundmen eachother dying
    Finmen are Roundmen who took to the sea.
    Rokreb are Kreb developed to eat stone seedlings.
    Krowgard are Krow that herd roundmen
    Digkreb are Kreb that dig holes.
    Stone Seedlings are seedlings that became difficult to eat.
    Seadlings are Seedlings that have became seaborne.

    They have all developed around a single concept or idea.

    What you are proposing in my eyes is retracting leaves+fruit. Maybe I should just propose my itteration, it feels ruder than giving criticism, but if you don't like it then I will just retract it.

    [X] [Seedlings] Most of the body remains underground. Only sending up their colorful leaves when sensing warmth and light. Then retracting the leaves down via origami folding during cold and darkness where they can safely regrow any loss. With larger leaves for more sunlight and deeper roots for more water and nutrients.

    I think that wasting less resources is what the seedlings need right now, and the movable leaves can be adapted to interesting effect. Like this it feels less like trying to shove two concepts at the same time to me.

    I will also keep this one as a preference vote for now:
    [X] The Digkreb and some Seedlings have formed a symbiotic relationship. Seedlings will grow in the Carnivorous Digkreb pits where they are protected from the Roundmen and Rokrebs by the Digkreb and in turn the leaves that are are shown above-ground by the Seedlings will lure prey into the pit for the Digkreb
     
    [X] The Digkreb and some Seedlings have formed a symbiotic relationship. Seedlings will grow in the Carnivorous Digkreb pits where they are protected from the Roundmen and Rokrebs by the Digkreb and in turn the leaves that are are shown above-ground by the Seedlings will lure prey into the pit for the Digkreb
     
    WallFlower said:
    I was unclear in my communication and chose wrong words that. I should have used less ambiguous language to make it sound less like I'm complaining. And more like what I'm meaning to do which is provide constructive criticism for concepts.

    What I meant to say, and probably should have said is that I'm a bit leery about package deal mutations in general.


    Nosemen are roundmen that can sense whether others die Roundmen eachother dying
    Finmen are Roundmen who took to the sea.
    Rokreb are Kreb developed to eat stone seedlings.
    Krowgard are Krow that herd roundmen
    Digkreb are Kreb that dig holes.
    Stone Seedlings are seedlings that became difficult to eat.
    Seadlings are Seedlings that have became seaborne.

    They have all developed around a single concept or idea.

    What you are proposing in my eyes is retracting leaves+fruit. Maybe I should just propose my itteration, it feels ruder than giving criticism, but if you don't like it then I will just retract it.

    [X] [Seedlings] Most of the body remains underground. Only sending up their colorful leaves when sensing warmth and light. Then retracting the leaves down via origami folding during cold and darkness where they can safely regrow any loss. With larger leaves for more sunlight and deeper roots for more water and nutrients.

    I think that wasting less resources is what the seedlings need right now, and the movable leaves can be adapted to interesting effect. Like this it feels less like trying to shove two concepts at the same time to me.
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    Ah. Well that's fine. I don't care about the fruit and thought it a bit much at this stage but kept it because fruit was popular at the time. I removed that from my vote and just had excess go to strengthening the Seedlings.
    I think it's fine to have a packaged deal. It can inspire numerous varients For later.
    Like the Airy version I originally imagined The leaves just being puff balls going where the wind takes them. But while that can still be these origami ones could allow directional flying or even stay grounded.
    And being underground could lead to a pitcher plant scenario where they get the energy to love by being a carnivorous plant. Could prove deadly to the Nosemen.
    Only time will tell if these plants will do best in swampy or desert lands.
    The bulb thickness could make the Digkreb raise and cultivate them.
    I'm already seeing a possibility where these plants violently expell the Air Ferns up into the atmosphere for maximum spread
     
    Adhoc vote count started by Tam Lin on Mar 30, 2022 at 8:21 PM, finished with 16 posts and 12 votes.
    • [X] The Digkreb and some Seedlings have formed a symbiotic relationship. Seedlings will grow in the Carnivorous Digkreb pits where they are protected from the Roundmen and Rokrebs by the Digkreb and in turn the leaves that are are shown above-ground by the Seedlings will lure prey into the pit for the Digkreb.
      [X] [Seedlings] Most of the body remains underground. Only sending up their colorful leaves when sensing warmth and light. Then retracting the leaves down via origami folding during cold and darkness where they can safely regrow any loss. With larger leaves for more sunlight and deeper roots for more water and nutrients.
      [X] Roundmen learn how organize and grow Seedlings sustainably.
      [X] [Seedlings] Most of the body remains underground. Only sending up their colorful leaves when sensing warmth and light. Then retracting the leaves down via origami folding during cold and darkness where they can safely regrow any loss. With larger leaves for more sunlight and deeper roots for more water and nutrients. Any excess goes into making their bulb bigger and thicker.
      [X] [Seedlings] Develop lighter bodies that requires less nutrition with big airy leaf structures for catch the wind to fly\float away from danger and to spread. The airy leaves can also catch nutrients in the air. Will occasionally poop excess nutrients as edible "nuts" that can be consumed by all species. Air Ferns.
      [X] [Krow&Seadlings] The Krows start lashing Seedlings together to form a base with which to nest their eggs well away from predators. Resulting in Seadlings that naturally grow in clumps and Krows that are skilled in sea navigation, long flights, some diving, and quick attacks.
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