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The young Prince Stanisław Radziwiłł is many things: a rising diplomat and general, an aspiring politician, and a son of one of the newborn Commonwealth's most powerful houses. Now gravely wounded by war and illness, he finds himself coping with profound change in a world that will not wait for him to catch up. In this era of great instability and even greater opportunity, will you drown in your loss or ascend into the skies of greatness despite it?
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New readers beware! It was two years ago and I didn't know what I was talking about. Check Informational Threadmarks!

It's me, Rolman, welcome to Si Deus Nobiscum. This is going to be a historical scion quest similar to my Hellenistic Egyptian Eagles of Alexandria (this is basically a soft reboot) in which you play a Polish-Lithuanian nobleman coming of age around the time of the election of 1575, a dynamic and deliciously unstable period early in the Rzeczpospolita's formal existence.

Like with Eagles, I will be making a serious attempt at realism and authenticity, but will of course be learning alongside all of you! Any real life Polish/Lithuanian/Belarussian/Ukrainian/etc. people are actively encouraged to help me with historical knowledge, cultural accuracy, and obscure non-English sources! Ask me questions, though, for now, and I will do my best to answer.

Some works I will be using for the purpose of historical reference include God's Playground by Norman Davies, The Polish-Lithuanian State by Daniel Stone, and a variety of dusty journal articles and 1575 election-era primary sources that you can ask me about if you want.

The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is a weirdass country with a weirdass government. This is pre-Liberum Veto, and the Sejm and Senat vote by majority, so things aren't ruined yet. The section below will detail the system, your rights as a nobleman, and an overview of Poland's situation at home and abroad. At the very least, read "The Political Situation" and "The Golden Liberty: How the Government Works".

Also, a brief warning: Early Modern Europe, like most of the past, was a pretty ugly time. Sexism, slavery, xenophobia, and general brutality were all facts of life during the period, and characters may say or do some pretty reprehensible things by today's standards. While I will not go out of my way to shove the gross bits down anybody's throats, I will also not compromise when they must be necessarily depicted -- I did commit myself to historical accuracy, after all. Content warnings will be provided at the beginning of entries as needed. Thank you for your understanding! We also have a Discord channel for game discussion, on the GSRP server. Here's a link, and the channel is called
#council-of-quests. And remember, there's only one rule: be respectful both on the thread and on Discord!



The Golden Liberty: How the Government Works
Please consult "Sertorius Corrections 1" in the informational threadmarks to see all the stuff I got wrong. And so you won't be wrong too.

The Golden Liberty is the name for the "Nobles' Republic" of the young Commonwealth of Poland-Lithuania, having been formed officially from the long-standing personal union of Poland and Lithuania six years ago, in 1569. King Henryk signed articles of the monarchy and the szlachta's rights two years ago, to supplement the many long-standing traditions and checks of the old Polish monarchy.

Here is an outline of how the Commonwealth operates, and the rights and privileges of the king:

  • The King is to be elected by all nobles willing to come and participate in a Free Election. Right to rule only comes from the Sejm, so children of Kings have no inherent right to the throne.
  • The King may call a Sejm for whenever he pleases or whatever he pleases, but can go for no more than two years without calling one.
  • Nihil novi: no new laws or taxes can be made without the Sejm's consent via a simple majority vote.
  • The King cannot declare war, make peace, or call up the nobles' private armies without the consent of the Szlachta.
  • The King must uphold and obey the religious freedom laws of the Warsaw Confederation.

And the rights of the Szlachta:
  • To maintain their own armed forces.
  • To control the rights, work, and movements of peasants in their holdings.
  • To buy and sell all land outside of towns and royal holdings as they please.
  • To rebel, either violently or politically, in an organized, legal, declared rokosz should they feel the law or their rights infringed.
  • Immunity from legal punishment unless a specific warrant is issued. A noble may only be arrested after being found guilty.
  • A promise from the crown that all "high positions" would be given to them or to the clergy.
  • And to propose and pass laws independently of the King in the Sejm.


The Commonwealth at a Glance

The Commonwealth stretches from Vitebsk in the East to Poznan in the West, from Dorpat (disputed) in the North to Kiev in the South.

The Commonwealth is a nation of about seven million, populated primarily by Poles, Ruthenians, Lithuanians, Ashkenazi Jews, and Baltic-Prussian Germans, in that order. The Poles and Lithuanians are Catholic, with small minorities of Mennonites and Calvinists, while the Ruthenians are overwhelmingly Orthodox, with some Catholic converts. The Germans are Lutherans. Religious freedom and tolerance is state-sanctioned, though Catholicism is still the official state religion.

Around 15% of the population belong to the szlachta class, one of the largest proportions of nobility in Early Modern Europe. Szlachta exist on a wide gradient of wealth and status, ranging from ultra-wealthy magnates to almost-impoverished gentleman farmers. The leading magnate families are primarily of Polish and Lithuanian extraction, rising to prominence within the past two to three hundred years. Several notable Ruthenian magnate families exist as newcomers, having entered into the elites of the elites within the century.

All official documents are written in Polish, Latin, and sometimes Lithuanian. The primary languages of the szlachta and the court are Polish, Latin, and Lithuanian, though the Ruthenian dialects supplant the role of Polish in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Among the common folk, a wide range of languages are spoken: Polish, Lithuanian, Ruthenian, Yiddish, German, Russian, Bohemian, and Hungarian, amongst others, depending on the location.

A majority of the country, as one would expect of the period, live agricultural lives in serfdom or near-serfdom -- especially so for Baltic peoples and Ruthenians. Polish farmers are generally somewhat freer, and around a quarter of the Polish population live in towns or cities, and in the Polish Crownlands there is a burgeoning Renaissance in these urban centers. While Krakow, Warszawa, and Gdansk are barely suitable rivals to Prague or Leipzig, let alone the great cities of the West and Italy, they are respectable centers all the same, with a growing capacity for the arts and commerce.

The Royal Army is large, adequately-equipped, and rather malleable as a force thanks to liberal usage of mercenaries -- good for the low-intensity wars with Russia and for fighting off Crimean and Ottoman incursions. If need be, the King with the Sejm's approval may call for the pospolite ruszenie, or "mass mobilization". It is analogous to the traditional medieval levy: the szlachta are obligated to provide a force of soldiers. Magnates and wealthy nobles send portions of their own private armies, while lesser families send some of their able-bodied peasants or a well-equipped second son. Soldiers yielded from a pospolite ruszenie usually vary wildly in quality, but add a great deal of manpower.


The Political Situation

The Szlachta are divided, more or less, into three political factions in the year 1575.

The Piasts are those who back any "descendant of Piast", the semi-legendary Polish Prince: in practice, this means backing any of the surviving Jagiellons (descendants of the very real Piast Dynasty), one of the cadet Piast branches in Silesia, or really any local Polish lord, more broadly. Piasts are conservative, aristocratic, and overwhelmingly Polish, and are concerned primarily with maintaining Polish primacy over the Lithuanians and Ruthenians. For the election of 1575, many have thrown their support behind the 52-year old Anna Jagiellonka, and have declared that they will elect King whoever she marries: candidates include Duke Alfonso d'Este of Ferrara, Archduke Ernst Habsburg of Austria, Duke Fryderyk Piast of Legnica, and Prince Istvan Bathory of Transylvania. Others, however, look to the King of Sweden, John III, who is married to Anna's sister, Catherine.

The pro-Habsburg faction wishes to invite the Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian II to become King of the Commonwealth, seeing it as a method to unite the power of Austria with Poland, in order to deal decisive blows against the Russians, Turks, and Crimeans, officially. More unofficially, the pro-Habsburgs find sweeping support from the Lithuanian and Ruthenian szlachta, who see Maximilian's election as a great way to stymy the ever-expanding and power-hungry Polish magnates.

The Executionists don't back one person or the other for the throne as a movement, but rather they wish to make the Republic theirs. Composed largely of disgruntled members of the lower and middle aristocracy and led by the Royal Secretary Jan Zamoyski, who seek the proper enforcement of the laws (calling for the laws' execution), an increase of Sejm power, reform of the military and the vassal fiefdoms of Prussia and Courland, and a curbing of the power of the large magnate families. Individual Executionists back the Piasts or Habsburg factions, though some particularly radical and devoted members of the movement wish for their leader, Jan Zamoyski, to sit the throne.


Foreign Policy

The szlachta's concerns lie chiefly in the long war with Russia over Livonia, a medium-intensity conflict now entering its seventeenth year. The war has been a constant concern for the treasury, the army, and diplomatic corps alike, as the Commonwealth works closely with Denmark and Sweden (interrupted and complicated by the Northern Seven Years' War) to stave off the incessant and often ruthless Russian campaigns. Fighting has been seen throughout Livonia and the White Ruthenian hinterlands of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. By 1575, the Russians are gaining the upper hand, occupying Livonia as far south as Daugavpils, threatening Riga, and Polotsk in White Ruthenia now finds itself in Russian hands.

With the abandonment of King Henryk, the effort to align the Commonwealth with France was, needless to say, abortive. The departure of the king has generally soured relations with France too, though the dislike will only be temporary.

Even in spite of the issues with France and the constant raids of the Crimean Khanate, the Commonwealth remains on relatively good terms with the Ottomans, even cordial; a series of treaties guaranteeing peace have been signed since the turn of the century (originally began to end the Polish-Ottoman War), with the last signed in 1564. This relationship is based on the assumption that it would be best for the Commonwealth and Turks not fight one another, so that they may focus on Russia and Austria, respectively. The Ottomans are interested in the elections, supporting the Piast faction for rather obvious reasons.

Relations remain cooler with Austria due to territorial disputes in Silesia and Windenland (modern-day Slovakia), the dialogue between the Commonwealth's szlachta and the Transylvanian Bathorys, and the relatively cordial relationship with the Ottoman Turks.
 
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Chargen I
As is well-known, the stars work in esoteric ways beyond our understanding, and the sign under which a child is born very well may affect their humoral balance down the line. You were born under the stars of…

[] Aries, the Ram. March 21-April 19, 1552.

[] Taurus, the Bull. April 20-May 20, 1552.

[] Gemini, the Twins. May 21-June 20, 1552.

[] Cancer, the Crab. June 21-July 22, 1552.

[] Leo, the Lion. July 23-August 22, 1552.

[] Virgo, the Virgin. August 23-September 22, 1552.

[] Libra, the Scales. September 23-October 22, 1551.

[] Scorpio, the Scorpion. October 23-November 21, 1551.

[] Sagittarius, the Archer. November 22-December 21, 1551.

[] Capricorn, the Goat-horned. December 21-January 20, 1551/2.

[] Aquarius, the Water-bearer. January 21-February 18, 1552.

[] Pisces, the Fish. February 19-March 20, 1552.

And into…

[] Old money.

[] New money.

Purely in terms of socioeconomic status. In terms of pedigree, your family will date back to the early 15th century and before as is typical.
 
This seems very similar to a Polish-Commonwealth Quest I partook in a long time ago, so this automatically is a win for me. :) Also, history-related, so extra points to that as well. Will partake in this as well.

As is well-known, the stars work in esoteric ways beyond our understanding, and the sign under which a child is born very well may affect their humoral balance down the line. You were born under the stars of…
I have no clue how this works, so I'll have to leech off of other people's votes. :V

[] Old money.

[] New money.
If I'm correct, old money means our family is a well-established one, while new money means we're a relatively new house on the Polish-Lithuanian block. Is this correct, @Rolman, or am I wrong here?
 
This seems very similar to a Polish-Commonwealth Quest I partook in a long time ago, so this automatically is a win for me. :) Also, history-related, so extra points to that as well. Will partake in this as well.


I have no clue how this works, so I'll have to leech off of other people's votes. :V


If I'm correct, old money means our family is a well-established one, while new money means we're a relatively new house on the Polish-Lithuanian block. Is this correct, @Rolman, or am I wrong here?
Yes, precisely on old v. new! And as for the sun sign, be a coward and google or have fun and pick randomly...
 

God Willing, Przemko Chowaniec will ride again
[X] Cancer, the Crab. June 21-July 22, 1552.
[X] New money.
 
Sertorius Corrections 1
Ok, so for starters a few small things to clarify:
prince Henryk Walezy
For the uninitiated this is the Polonised name under which Henry III of France is known.
This is pre-Liberum Veto, and the Sejm and Senat vote by majority, so things aren't ruined yet.
Nope, Liberum Veto existed, it just wasn't used. Parliament's acts were formally to be made by unanimous decision from the very beginning and some clever guy noticed one day, that if a single delegate was to block the proceedings, he can nullify the whole session. It's just that there was a certain sense of duty, that prevented this from being abused earlier. If someone didn't agree with the majority decision, he usually sat quiet, which of course doesn't mean that there was no hard political bickering earlier. Plus, the poor soul would be immediately threatened to recant his decision by the other delegates.
Nihil novi: no new laws or taxes can be made without the Sejm's consent via a simple majority vote.
The nobility was free from any taxation with the exception of 2 Groschen per peasant lan owned or administered and whatever taxes were established by the Sejm. Even so, it is not uncommon to greet tax collectors with loaded muskets.
Immunity from legal punishment unless a specific warrant is issued. A noble may only be arrested after being found guilty.
The courts can order a nobleman's arrest without finding him guilty in the first place. This is especially true for poor nobles, who have no holdings and may simply disappear after murdering someone. We have to differentiate between two groups of nobles: those with land and those that don't own any holdings (so called hołota or gołota, vaguely meaning rabble). Landed nobles enjoy all the rights and privileges as stated. Landless nobles can be arrested on a whim and without a warrant. Therefore owning even a small strip of land in a hamlet granted a nobleman legal protection enjoyed by the rich. Another privilege that required being a landowner was the right to be chosen as a delegate to the Sejm and various smaller Sejmiks (provincial parliaments) and to vote in said gatherings. Hołota could only officially vote during free elections of the monarch which made them the preferred group to be showered with bribes by different delegations. The thing is, they usually took the money and then went to the other candidates for more money, so their vote wasn't certain. There are also 2 other situations that overrule legal protection even of a landed noble. Being captured in recenti (red-handed) when committing a crime or within 48 hours after it, enables you to immediately lock the nobleman up legally to await trial. The second rule is derived from the first, that is the so-called Four Town Articles: arson, assault of a nobleman's home, rape and kidnapping of a damsel, highway robbery. A fellow captured red-handed while committing any of these crimes not only is arrested immediately, but can also be subject to summary judgement by the local Starosta. Since this means the death penalty without the right to appeal (outrageous for the freedom-loving Polish nobility), most nobles with any connections used them to get an appeal with the King or a local higher court (in 1563 such were created for each voivodeship because the royal court simply couldn't keep up).
A promise from the crown that all "high positions" would be given to them or to the clergy.
Basically every higher office required you to be a noble. Since clergy were nobles by default (or were treated as such once having been made bishop), the difference means little.
Around 15% of the population belong to the szlachta class, one of the largest proportions of nobility in Early Modern Europe.
More like 10%, but some go as high as 20%, therefore it's acceptable. In terms of raw numbers the Commonwealth had more nobility than any other country of Europe. Only Spain had a similar, yet smaller number.
All official documents are written in Polish, Latin, and sometimes Lithuanian. The primary languages of the szlachta and the court are Polish, Latin, and Lithuanian, though the Ruthenian dialects supplant the role of Polish in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
Lithuanian is drastically falling out of favour with the nobility of the GDL. It's primarily the language of peasantry from the northern parts of the country. Ruthenian is much more common, besides Polish. Not only that, the official legal documents of Lithuania are written in Ruthenian as well. Latin and Polish are used in the Kingdom of Poland.
If need be, the King with the Sejm's approval may call for the pospolite ruszenie, or "mass mobilization". It is analogous to the traditional medieval levy: the szlachta are obligated to provide a force of soldiers. Magnates and wealthy nobles send portions of their own private armies, while lesser families send some of their able-bodied peasants or a well-equipped second son. Soldiers yielded from a pospolite ruszenie usually vary wildly in quality, but add a great deal of manpower.
Pospolite ruszenie proved to be inadequate as early as 100 years ago and it's quality only got worse. Right now it's only called in desperate times and usually fails miserably. It's the exact equivalent of calling medieval knights and their banners to arms. Unfortunately, war doesn't work that way anymore. Not answering the call can mean confiscation of lands and losing the status of a noble. Besides that, when used on foreign soil, PR gets paid like professional soldiers and the King is then obliged to buy the freedom of any nobles taken prisoner.

All in all I find it fantastic, that someone is willing to do a Commonwealth Quest. I do plan to eventually resurrect my own (that lost chapter really clipped my wings) and can't wait to see what will happen in this one.

[X] Cancer, the Crab. June 21-July 22, 1552.
[X] Old money.
 
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[X] Aries, the Ram. March 21-April 19, 1552.
[X] Old money.
 
[X] Aquarius, the Water-bearer. January 21-February 18, 1552.
[X] New money.

I want to go Executionist and from what I remember about Zodiac stuff, Aquarius is usually represented as the innovative people who will attempt to change the status quo.
 
Ok, so for starters a few small things to clarify:

For the uninitiated this is the Polonised name under which Henry III of France is known.

Nope, Liberum Veto existed, it just wasn't used. Parliament's acts were formally to be made by unanimous decision from the very beginning and some clever guy noticed one day, that if a single delegate was to block the proceedings, he can nullify the whole session. It's just that there was a certain sense of duty, that prevented this from being abused earlier. If someone didn't agree with the majority decision, he usually sat quiet, which of course doesn't mean that there was no hard political bickering earlier. Plus, the poor soul would be immediately threatened to recant his decision by the other delegates.

The nobility was free from any taxation with the exception of 2 Groschen per peasant lan owned or administrated and whatever taxes were established by the Sejm. Even so, it is not uncommon to greet tax collectors with loaded muskets.

The courts can order a nobleman's arrest without finding him guilty in the first place. This is especially true for poor nobles, who have no holdings and may simply disappear after murdering someone. We have to differentiate between two groups of nobles: those with land and those that don't own any holdings (so called hołota or gołota, vaguely meaning rabble). Landed nobles enjoy all the rights and privileges as stated. Landless nobles can be arrested on a whim and without a warrant. Therefore owning even a small strip of land in a hamlet granted a nobleman legal protection enjoyed by the rich. Another privilege that required being a landowner was the right to be chosen as a delegate to the Sejm and various smaller Sejmiks (provincial parliaments) and to vote in said gatherings. Hołota could only officially vote during free elections of the monarch which made them the preferred group to be showered with bribes by different delegations. The thing is, they usually took the money and then went to the other candidates for more money, so their vote wasn't certain. There are also 2 other situations that overrule legal protection even of a landed noble. Being captured in recenti (red-handed) when committing a crime or within 48 hours after it, enables you to immediately lock the nobleman up legally to await trial. The second rule is derived from the first, that is the so-called Four Town Articles: arson, assault of a nobleman's home, rape and kidnapping of a damsel, highway robbery. A fellow captured red-handed while committing any of these crimes not only is arrested immediately, but can also be subject to summary judgement by the local Starosta. Since this means the death penalty without the right to appeal (outrageous for the freedom-loving Polish nobility), most nobles with any connections used them to get an appeal with the King or a local higher court (in 1563 such were created for each voivodeship because the royal court simply couldn't keep up).

Basically every higher office required you to be a noble. Since clergy were nobles by default (or were treated as such once having been made bishop), the difference means little.

More like 10%, but some go as high as 20%, therefore it's acceptable. In terms of raw numbers the Commonwealth had more nobility than any other country of Europe. Only Spain had a similar, yet smaller number.

Lithuanian is drastically falling out of favour with the nobility of the GDL. It's primarily the language of peasantry from the northern parts of the country. Ruthenian is much more common, besides Polish. Not only that, the official legal documents of Lithuania are written in Ruthenian as well. Latin and Polish are used in the Kingdom of Poland.

Pospolite ruszenie proved to be inadequate as early as 100 years ago and it's quality only got worse. Right now it's only called in desperate times and usually fails miserably. It's the exact equivalent of calling medieval knights and their banners to arms. Unfortunately, war doesn't work that way anymore. Not answering the call can mean confiscation of lands and losing the status of a noble. Besides that, when used on foreign soil, PR gets paid like professional soldiers and the King is then obliged to buy the freedom of any nobles taken prisoner.

All in all I find it fantastic, that someone is willing to do a Commonwealth Quest. I do plan to eventually resurrect my own (that lost chapter really clipped my wings) and can't wait to see what will happen in this one.

[X] Cancer, the Crab. June 21-July 22, 1552.
[X] Old money.

Oh hell yes. The master himself. Thank you for the education! Everybody take heed. I will make appropriate edits soon-ish. Send me your reading list if you please (if it's not in Polish)!
 
[X] Sagittarius, the Archer. November 22-December 21, 1551.
[X] New mommy

I foresee ample fodder for shitposting and memes.
 
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