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The Second Reconstruction-A Post-Civil War Kaiserreich USA Quest

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[X] As long as they are only killing each other, it is too risky to get involved.

[X] Put in a new order of aircraft in order to expand the US Army Air Corps along with its pool of pilots.
 
[X] As long as they are only killing each other, it is too risky to get involved.
[X] Focus on the Army, updating equipment and running drills with the armored units.
 
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    • Scheduled vote count started by Jeeshadow on Dec 3, 2021 at 10:32 PM, finished with 41 posts and 39 votes.
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    • Aircraft might be a little weak in the civil war but after it aircraft will be Key, especially in a pacific theater.
     
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    Foreign Policy in 1936
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    • The American Empire Begins to Feel the Strain


    The Would be President of Argentina    ​

    As the United States began to descend into political chaos and conflict, the rest of the world was in no better shape. While the United States had long been called isolationist with its refusal to intervene in European affairs, in truth it had a broad set of international interests and with the US looking increasingly weak due to internal dissent, the jackals began to circle.

    The first serious challenge to US' international authority would come from where it was supposed to be among its strongest, South America. The previous year, on Christmas Day, the democratically elected liberal government of President Roca was overthrown by the revanchist Manuel Carlés with the support of the Argentinian Navy. Despite his swift seizure of power, the new President's authority outside the capital was little to none and soon opposition against his takeover began to take shape behind General Pedro Pablo Ramírez, especially among elements of the Army.

    While the Hoover Administration initially wasn't particularly concerned with the takeover by an anti-syndicalist regime, that indifference has rapidly changed. With his coup stalled, President Carlés has turned to Argentina's largest trade partner, Germany, for support. Acceptance by the Kaiser would be a great violation of the Monroe Doctrine and would make America look weak and unable to protect its sphere of influence. Pressure has begun to grow from inside and outside the Cabinet for President Hoover to uphold this oldest of American policies.

    [ ] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.

    [ ] We have far more important concerns and too much to lose by causing an incident with Germany.


    Shanghai in peaceful times​

    Another cornerstone of US foreign policy was its Open Door policy in China, primarily regarding the Legation Cities. As one of the primary negotiators of the original treaty establishing the Cities, and with the current High Commissioner being an American, the US had major interests in the Legation Cities, an interest that had been rewarded with great access to China for US businesses. In fact profits from the Legation Cities had been one of the few bright spots for the US even in the midst of the heights of the Depression.

    This was all put in peril by the collapse of the League of Eight Provinces. Between the various warlords and the new uprising by the syndicalist KMT, security of the Legation Cities was put in jeopardy. As Germany and Japan continued to spiral towards war, the Legation Cities was poised as a potential battleground, with the German representative presenting a plan to the Council to authorize the deployment of German troops to protect the cities from threats. The High Commissioner feared such an action would inspire attacks by nationalist Chinese on foreigners, not to mention make the Cities a prime target in a war between Germany and Japan. He instead asked permission to present a counterplan to the Council that would see additional US troops deployed to the cities from the garrison in the Philippines and for the Asiatic Fleet to be deployed against pirates on the Yangtze. He cited the large numbers of Americans living in Cities as a reason for the Hoover Administration to authorize his request.

    [ ] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!

    [ ] We can't afford to be further dragged into affairs in Asia at this perilous time at home.


    A New King, A New Relationship​

    Yet the most pressing foreign policy issue the Hoover Administration faced in 1936 was the closest to home. During the Weltkrieg, Britain and the entire Entente had racked up a sizable debt with the United States, deeply tying their economies together. This was why the Revolution on the British Isles had been so deleterious to the American economy. So far the United States had allowed the British Government in exile to avoid its loan payments, considering it couldn't pay them, but that would soon end.

    Despite the passage of the corporate tax increases in the Hawking Plan, the US was still running a sizable deficit with the relief bills and the military expansion put into consideration. Furthermore, many Democrats and Republicans were looking for excuses to build up their reputations to counter Long's pitch to nationalist voters and in that they found Canada as a target while as ideologically supporting a balanced budget.

    On January 20th, King George V died. His reign had seen the near collapse of the British Empire with the defeat in the Weltkrieg, the Revolution, and the exile to Canada. His death, and the ascendance of his son as Edward VIII, was a turning point for the entire Entente. Talks among the exile community started to once again turn towards reclaiming the homeland and they had the new King's public support in that. Citing growing tensions around the world, the Canadian Prime Minister, Mackenzie King, had pushed for a rearmament bill called C-7. When it was stalled in Parliament he had called a snap election to see it pushed through. The campaign had only just started when the US Congress decided to ask the question, if the new King thought he could reclaim his old title, shouldn't he have to pay his old debts?

    Following a resolution passed by Congress calling for the Entente to repay their debts, the Hoover Administration, somewhat desperate for cash, sent the Canadians the demand. To really no one's surprise Mackinzie King's government refused, citing the fact that the debt was held by the British government, not the Canadian one. In response members of Congress started pushing for a series of protective tariffs to punish Canada for its refusal to pay and to gain some money. Long would back this idea out of a nationalist sentiment while Reed really just liked to take any opportunity to strike at the Royalists and enemies of his ideological allies in the Union of Britain. For their part Olson and Garner, who had long been advocates of low tariffs, instead called on the Hoover Administration to strike a deal with the Canadian Government to defer the loans yet again. Ultimately though, the decision lay with President Hoover.

    [ ] Pass the tariffs. We need the money and domestic support from this.

    [ ] Threaten to veto any tariffs and open talks with the Canadians. The British can pay if they ever reclaim their homeland.
     
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    • [X] We have far more important concerns and too much to lose by causing an incident with Germany.

    We let the Monroe Doctrine slide for now. It'll hurt our prestige but that will go down regardless with the Civil War.

    [ ] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    Unsure about this, So will hold off for now

    [X] Threaten to veto any tariffs and open talks with the Canadians. The British can pay if they ever reclaim their homeland.

    The Canadians will be a great ally later, for now we need to keep them on side and not outright hostile.
     
    [X] We have far more important concerns and too much to lose by causing an incident with Germany.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Pass the tariffs. We need the money and domestic support from this.
     
    [X] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Pass the tariffs. We need the money and domestic support from this.

    We cannot abandon the interests of the American people just because of a little instability. If anything, these actions may just help give the shakeup needed to kick this little economic downturn!
     
    [X] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Pass the tariffs. We need the money and domestic support from this.
     
    [X] Pass the tariffs. We need the money and domestic support from this.
    [X] We can't afford to be further dragged into affairs in Asia at this perilous time at home.
    [X] We have far more important concerns and too much to lose by causing an incident with Germany.

    I am angling to bet some German support here.
     
    [X] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Threaten to veto any tariffs and open talks with the Canadians. The British can pay if they ever reclaim their homeland.

    Canada is our friend.
     
    [X] We have far more important concerns and too much to lose by causing an incident with Germany.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Pass the tariffs. We need the money and domestic support from this.
     
    [X] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Threaten to veto any tariffs and open talks with the Canadians. The British can pay if they ever reclaim their homeland.
     
    [X] We have far more important concerns and too much to lose by causing an incident with Germany.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Pass the tariffs. We need the money and domestic support from this.
     
    [X] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.
    [X] We can't afford to be further dragged into affairs in Asia at this perilous time at home.
    [X] Threaten to veto any tariffs and open talks with the Canadians. The British can pay if they ever reclaim their homeland.
     
    [X] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Pass the tariffs. We need the money and domestic support from this.

    - full speed to WAR!
     
    [X] We have far more important concerns and too much to lose by causing an incident with Germany.

    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!

    [X] Threaten to veto any tariffs and open talks with the Canadians. The British can pay if they ever reclaim their homeland.
     
    [X] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Threaten to veto any tariffs and open talks with the Canadians. The British can pay if they ever reclaim their homeland.

    So many things could go in so very different ways.

    If civil war does break out Canada could be helpful. I recall how in Kaiserreich one could get close with negotiations only for things to be dashed at the last moment.
     
    [X] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.
    [X] We can't afford to be further dragged into affairs in Asia at this perilous time at home.
    [X] Threaten to veto any tariffs and open talks with the Canadians. The British can pay if they ever reclaim their homeland.

    Monroe Doctrine has to be upheld. Can't have the Germans or anyone else messing around in the Americas, would set a bad precedent.
    Legation Cities are an international mandate, a garrison of troops there means we'll be committed to maintaining a presence there. Besides, the Germans have the most influence in China and the most vested interest there. Let them sort it out.
    Let's keep the Canadians happy. It does us no good to alienate them and the Entente. Might be willing to help us down the road once the 2ACW starts and dealing with them fairly means we'll have an in on a big anglophone alliance that we could easily co-opt.
     
    [X] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Threaten to veto any tariffs and open talks with the Canadians. The British can pay if they ever reclaim their homeland.

    I'd prefer to have Canada as a friend right now.
     
    [X] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Pass the tariffs. We need the money and domestic support from this.
     
    [X] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Threaten to veto any tariffs and open talks with the Canadians. The British can pay if they ever reclaim their homeland.
     
    [X] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Pass the tariffs. We need the money and domestic support from this.
     
    [X] The Monroe Doctrine must be upheld. Denounce the coup and deploy the US Navy to cut off Carlés support.
    [X] The neutrality of the Legation Cities and our interests must be protected. Send the troops!
    [X] Pass the tariffs. We need the money and domestic support from this.
     
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