...where are we going to get the Learning actions for that?
The thread does not seem all that interested in space to begin with, and I am skeptical about how much it would benefit us.
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The thread does not seem all that interested in space to begin with, and I am skeptical about how much it would benefit us.
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- Germany
I took that offer as us saying "You now what, David? Just ring the bell whenever you need our help in making climate tech work and I´ll let you off by *that amount of money to pay*" - meaning that David would be the one in need of Learning options, not us.
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- Two hours away
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- He/Him
I have no doubt that David has caught wind of Kat but the feline hasn't been in the area long enough for Xanatos to know for certain how exactly he empowered the cat mafia.
That being said this hot tip is only worth one income with the hidden message that the super-cats were our fault.
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- Germany
Still not a good bargaining chip to raise the price by itself.
Let´s just give him that info free of charge as a show of goo neighbourhood - no need to sour good business relations by being needlessly greedy.
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- USA
He started by offering 3 income. That doesn't mean that the technology is objectively worth 3 income and asking for any more than 3 is being greedy unless we offer something else to add to the deal. He could be extremely lowballing hoping that Doof not understanding or caring about the potential value of some random thing he didn't even intend to make could mean Doof would unknowingly accept an incredible discount.
The vote you are calling 'needlessly greedy' was only asking for 4 income.
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Demanding one Income for something he could acquire himself for free with little problems is what makes it greedy to me - that offer essentially raises the previously offered price by *a third* of its own value for little additional gain to David.
So yeah, not a good deal from Xanatos´PoV, so one he is very likely to refuse outright and maybe even abort negotiations entirely, depending on how ripped-off he´s feeling.
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- USA
I mean, if we just ask for 4 income for the technology, that would increase the offer's price by a third for zero additional gain to David.
But that's how negotiations work.
[x] Make a Counter-Offer
-[x] Consult Mirage on how much this tech is actually worth and follow her recommendation
[x] Yes
[x] DaedalOS
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
Moratorium is over so I'm voting.
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[x] Make a Counter-Offer
-[x] Consult Mirage on how much this tech is actually worth and follow her recommendation
[x] Yes
[x] DaedalOS
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
I want to accept Xanatos's offer, but I don't want to just accept the offer without trying to negotiate. I doubt we'd get the option to make a counteroffer if it was impossible to get something out of it, so I think it's worth the risk.
-[x] Consult Mirage on how much this tech is actually worth and follow her recommendation
[x] Yes
[x] DaedalOS
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
I want to accept Xanatos's offer, but I don't want to just accept the offer without trying to negotiate. I doubt we'd get the option to make a counteroffer if it was impossible to get something out of it, so I think it's worth the risk.
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[x] Make a Counter-Offer
-[x] Consult Mirage on how much this tech is actually worth and follow her recommendation
[x] Yes
[x] DaedalOS
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
Mirage knows this stuff better than us, while Doof is delusional. Let's consult her on this.
-[x] Consult Mirage on how much this tech is actually worth and follow her recommendation
[x] Yes
[x] DaedalOS
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
Mirage knows this stuff better than us, while Doof is delusional. Let's consult her on this.
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- Germany
...So after being shown that the first 4-Income-deal has a considerable chance of falling through, you vote for *an even worse one?*
I can´t even...Anyway, my vote:
Do you take Xanatos' offer?
[x] Make a Counter-Offer
-[x] Consult Mirage on how much this tech is actually worth and follow her recommendation
-[X] Inform David of Kat and the super serum before negotiations begin
--[X] Forward the email to Xanatos
Do you help Hego meet with Winston?
[x] Yes
-[x] Let Mirage handle the scheduling
Pick a name for your new collaborative OS:
[x] DaedalOS
Which inator do you want to activate?
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
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[x] Make a Counter-Offer
-[x] Consult Mirage on how much this tech is actually worth and follow her recommendation
[x] Yes
-[x] Let Mirage handle the scheduling
[x] DaedalOS
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
-[x] Consult Mirage on how much this tech is actually worth and follow her recommendation
[x] Yes
-[x] Let Mirage handle the scheduling
[x] DaedalOS
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
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- USA
I'm just saying you're calling something "needlessly greedy" shows that you think just because Xanatos started by offering 3 income for the technology means the value to him is 3 income, and that he's only willing to pay 3 income at the most for the technology.
"Oh if we want the price to go from 3 income to 4 we need to tack on some random extra stuff to sell him" vs. "I think the climate tech you want from me is worth more than your initial offer would suggest."
Deals are negotiated. It would be a bad strategy to just accept the first price offered, but it would be an even worse strategy to begin negotiations by offering the absolute most you're willing to pay (or lowest you're willing to sell for), leaving no room for you to negotiate.
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- Two hours away
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- He/Him
[x] Make a Counter-Offer
-[x] 4 Income
-[x] Inform David of Kat and the super serum before negotiations begin
--[x] Forward the email to Xanatos
[x] Yes
-[x] Let Mirage handle the scheduling
[x] DaedalOS
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
-[x] 4 Income
-[x] Inform David of Kat and the super serum before negotiations begin
--[x] Forward the email to Xanatos
[x] Yes
-[x] Let Mirage handle the scheduling
[x] DaedalOS
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
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- Bloomington, IN
[x] Make a Counter-Offer
-[x] 2 Income and collaboration on all Climate Tech projects.
[x] Yes
-[x] Let Mirage handle the scheduling
[x] ChaOS
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
-[x] 2 Income and collaboration on all Climate Tech projects.
[x] Yes
-[x] Let Mirage handle the scheduling
[x] ChaOS
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
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- Germany
ok, point.
how about we forward the offer to someone with actual business accumen like Mirage first to better gauge our possible profit margin?
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- USA
You need to change your [] agree to the [] counter offer vote for it to properly be counted in the tally.
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- California
[X] Make a Counter-Offer
-[X] 4 Income
-[X] Inform David of Kat and the super serum before negotiations begin
--[X] Forward the email to Xanatos
[X] Yes
-[X] Let Mirage handle the scheduling
[X] DaedalOS
[X] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
-[X] 4 Income
-[X] Inform David of Kat and the super serum before negotiations begin
--[X] Forward the email to Xanatos
[X] Yes
-[X] Let Mirage handle the scheduling
[X] DaedalOS
[X] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
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- Germany
Not that I am against that write-in - au contraire, I am very much in favor for it - but do we really need to make it that explicit?
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- California
Nah, but I liked the implication we were mad enough to point it out
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- The Hub
[x] Make a Counter-Offer
-[x] 2 Income and collaboration on all Climate Tech projects.
[x] Yes
[x] ChaOS
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
-[x] 2 Income and collaboration on all Climate Tech projects.
[x] Yes
[x] ChaOS
[x] The Rain-Food-inator (Lose 3 income and some public opinion)
Can I ask what the point of asking Xanatos to collaborate on future climate collabs is? Assuming he is in fact interested in going in that direction, we have a collab action we could use that doesn't involve asking him to accept the tech rights for less money than his current offer.
Also we need at least three income now to make sure we make it out of the red this turn if people are concerned about that.
Also we need at least three income now to make sure we make it out of the red this turn if people are concerned about that.
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- USA
Would you mind removing the "4 income" subvote from your votes? It's splitting the tally of the people that want to consult Mirage regarding Xanatos's offer and it's also redundant if we're already asking Mirage for her recommendation.