That would be research, not Ministry of Magic.

MoM would be stuff like integrating Fey courts or making people less scared of mages.
Whatever works.

Getting Alchemical production sufficiently advanced to impinge upon and overlap with modern large-scale chemical processes will be a huge step for the Imperium to take. It opens up a lot of other tech tree options that aren't really on the table right now.
 
Ok, so the options are "do nothing" and "more productivity, but now the facilities can have catastrophic meltdowns, which was not a problem before".

That's... erm...

[X] Don't do anything and hope that you don't actually need to go to war any time soon.
 
[jk] Increase production, you need more production now not later, the security of the factories against accident and sabotage is more than sufficient

Workers may die, but production quotas will be met!

InB4 we do Red Dragon stakhanovism when our workforce are all overambitious mortals with enough hubris to learn magic :D
 
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[X] Leave productivity where it is for now, you can slowly increase production as more alchemists become available
 
Just a quick reminder that the very limited air-force deployment in Sarnor gobbled up months of factory output in ammo, and the Westeros campaign likely took a month worth of production all by itself. Ymeri campaign likely wiped the stocks again.

Can't do any serious deployments right now, except for using capital gravjammers, as they can use kinetic ammo instead.
 
Just a quick reminder that the very limited air-force deployment in Sarnor gobbled up months of factory output in ammo, and the Westeros campaign likely took a month worth of production all by itself. Ymeri campaign likely wiped the stocks again.

Can't do any serious deployments right now, except for using capital gravjammers, as they can use kinetic ammo instead.
It was a large expenditure of resources, but the current stockpiles are actually pretty good. Explosives, Liquid Ice, Alchemist's Fire, Wildfire, etc., are all available in quantity.

I haven't updated the Armory numbers with this past month's production numbers yet, which will be the last time before we go more abstract. The stockpile will be even better at that point.
 
It was a large expenditure of resources, but the current stockpiles are actually pretty good. Explosives, Liquid Ice, Alchemist's Fire, Wildfire, etc., are all available in quantity.

I haven't updated the Armory numbers with this past month's production numbers yet, which will be the last time before we go more abstract. The stockpile will be even better at that point.
Have you actually deducted expenditures?

Also a quick reminder that you also thought that we had enough pre-Sarnor and two bombing runs of a Wyvern squadron burned through all of it. You are severely underestimating how much a serious campaign would expend. There's a reason modern supply chains need 10 soldiers to haul ammo so that 1 soldier can fight.

Edit: I mean, the Dauntless uses 400 Explosive Packs per turn when firing HE shells. Shelling a fortification for 5 minutes expends 20,000 Explosive Packs.
 
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[X] Leave productivity where it is for now, you can slowly increase production as more alchemists become available

Rather not risk it to be honest
 
So this research action was a failure at its intended purpose.

Mission failed successfully?
 
On the other hand, whatever. Nobody except me cares in any way. Ammo will just magically materialise as needed. Problems that require strategic planning never existed in any way so far, so might as well keep ignoring this.
 
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Have you actually deducted expenditures?

Also a quick reminder that you also thought that we had enough pre-Sarnor and two bombing runs of a Wyvern squadron burned through all of it. You are severely underestimating how much a serious campaign would expend. There's a reason modern supply chains need 10 soldiers to haul ammo so that 1 soldier can fight.

Edit: I mean, the Dauntless uses 400 Explosive Packs per turn when firing HE shells. Shelling a fortification for 5 minutes expends 20,000 Explosive Packs.
I deducted the numbers DP gave me. IIRC, it was quite a lot, though nowhere near 20,000 Explosive Packs.

That said, no deductions have been made for materials expended during the conquest of Westeros.
 
I deducted the numbers DP gave me. IIRC, it was quite a lot, though nowhere near 20,000 Explosive Packs.

That said, no deductions have been made for materials expended during the conquest of Westeros.
The numbers were definitely too low then since we deployed Wyverns. They drop somewhere between 500 to 1,000 doses of a given substance per Wyvern and bombing run. The Manticores drop four times that.

So a Wyvern Squadron doing two runs on Ymeris armies would already be 32,000 Liquid Ice doses.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on May 13, 2021 at 1:28 PM, finished with 33 posts and 10 votes.

  • [X] Leave productivity where it is for now, you can slowly increase production as more alchemists become available
    [X] Don't do anything and hope that you don't actually need to go to war any time soon.
    [X] Increase production, you need more production now not later, the security of the factories against accident and sabotage is more than sufficient
 
[X] Increase production, you need more production now not later, the security of the factories against accident and sabotage is more than sufficient
 
Part MMMDCCLXXXII: Distilling Dreams
Distilling Dreams

Thirtieth Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

After deciding that it would be best not to reduce the safety measures in alchemical factories you are glad indeed to hear from Dany that her latest foray into the Dreamlands was a far less ambiguous success. Distilling the thin mist of dreams proved to be as easy as applying the techniques the Orphne fey have been using for time out of mind with slight variation. The stuff of dreams and the stuff of souls and their shadows are akin. Indeed, the greater concern with the technique is that the 'ether collectors' would draw predators like flies to honey necessitating some protection on the far side.

"We would have to keep the Lost Dreamers and the things that make Lost Dreamers off the collectors," your sister explains as she helps herself to a cup of tea and a handful of loose nuts and raisins of the sort that are becoming more common in the sitting rooms and solars of the city. Understated, but a way to show how far the reach of the host goes, one tradition that is neither Essosi, nor Westerosi, but something distinct from either.

The same could be said one day for your plans for the Imperial 'God' you suppose, though long is yet the path to see that day come forth. "You say the shadow fey basically have all the knowledge needed to make these collectors. How wide spread is it outside those who are sworn to the Imperium and how easily would it be to turn to sabotage?"

"Not very to the first, you have to be a skilled weaver of shadows to need the skill and there was never really any need to scale the process up to make just enormous cables in place of fine weaving," Dany replies, glancing at the papers in front of her just to be sure of something in particular. "They estimate that there might be as few as a score of shade spinners not of their court and as many as three dozen, but there is no way to track where that may have been written down and by whom, and given that they are the same enchanters who we know can lay down enchantments even gods cannot lightly see through..."

"Assume it has been spread to our foes somehow," you nod. "So what is the sabotage potential?"

"None unless we lose control not just of part on the other side of the curtain, but also of the anchor on out side and if you have lost a major city you have more problems than the prayers not getting collected properly. You are going to need some capacity to slip into the dreamlands to check if the flow is not consumed at the source, but all the infrastructure would be carrying the stuff would be mirrored across the shadow roads, using the roads and the new rail tracks. It should be possible to to reinforce the connection the way the Old Gods do it with an arcane material that is conductive in both planes. It will not be easy to keep that safe all over the Empire especially in the empty lands."

"That is..." you consider all that you had heard carefully as you put the papers aside. "Not bad at all. I was not expecting this to be done this soon. When can we start building collectors?"

"We could start building test collectors starting next month. We are going to need a lot more citizens trained in lucid dreaming from our side and probably enlist some of the more reasonable locals as well. This is not going to be easy," Dany admits, polishing off her tea.

"If it were easy someone would have done it already," you note, a smile pulling at the corner of your lips. As grim as the cause may be you cannot help but feel pride and anticipation at so grand a task.

OOC: Edits done.
 
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Distilling Dreams

Thirtieth Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

After deciding that it would be best not to reduce the safety measures in alchemical factories, you are glad indeed to hear from Dany that her latest foray into the Dreamlands was a far less ambiguous success. Distilling the thin mist of dreams proved to be as easy as applying the techniques the Orphne fey have been using for time out of mind with only slight variation. The stuff of dreams, the stuff of souls, and their shadows bright are akin. Indeed, the greater concern with the technique is that setting up an infrastructure for such 'ether collectors' is, in your sister's own words, 'like digging channels for molten gold through the middle of Fleabottom'.

"We are going to have to worry about more than incidental predation once we the flow is set to full," your sister explains as she helps herself to a cup of tea and a handful of loose nuts and raisins of the sort that are becoming more common in the sitting rooms and solars of the city. Understated, but a way to show how far the reach of the host goes, one tradition that is neither Essosi, nor Westerosi, but something distinct from either.

The same might one day be said for your plans for the Imperial 'God', you suppose, though long is yet the path to see that day come forth. "You say the shadow fey basically have all the knowledge needed to make these collectors. How wide spread it is outside those who are sworn to the Imperium and how easily would they be to turn to sabotage."

"Not very to the first. You have to be a skilled weaver of shadows to need the skill, and there was never really any need to scale the process up to make just enormous cables in place of fine weaving," Dany replies, glancing at the papers in front of her just to be sure of some particular. "They estimate that there might be as few as a score of shade spinners not of their court and as many as three dozen, but there is no way to track where that may have been written down and by whom, and given that they are the same enchanters who we know can lay down enchantments even gods cannot lightly see through..."

"Assume it has been spread to our foes somehow," you nod. "So what is the sabotage potential?"

"Not as bad as it could be all things considered," she replies. "With current collector plans, a shadow weaver would have to possess unfettered access to one of them for a full cycle of the sun and stars, so twenty four hours to be able to start a chain reaction taking them down. We have plans for firebreaks, too, for lack of a better word."

"Wouldn't it be better to call them dams?" you ask glancing over the preliminary Dreamlands infrastructure plans.

"No," she shakes her head firmly. "You see, these works by making a null area where no distilled essence can cross, and the more you try to shove essence at it the harder the repulsion will get. It would stop a chain reaction dead."

"But...?" You might not be an expert in this particular project, but you understand the Dreamlands well enough to know that making a persistent disruption is unlikely to come without consequence.

"It creates no rest areas in the mirrored parts of the world, places where the body can rest, but the mind and the soul can find no comfort. Given the sizes we are talking about, we are probably going to have to forbid settlement in the places where we need the greater firebreaks, we might even have to move a village or two."

"That is..." you consider all that you had heard carefully as you put the papers aside. "Not bad at all. I was not expecting this to be done this soon. When can we start building collectors?"

"I could start building them tomorrow, but there is all one of me. We are going to need a lot more citizens trained in lucid dreaming from our side, and probably to enlist some of the more reasonable locals as well. This is not going to be easy," Dany admits, polishing off her tea.

"If it were easy someone would have done it already," you note, a smile pulling at the corner of your lips. As grim as the cause may be, you cannot help but feel pride and anticipation at so grand a task.

OOC: And done, the rituals all got made of course, but I do not think those need to be mentioned IC. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.

Hell yeah! Good job, Dany. That's serious progress right there. Lots of work to go, of course, but this gives us a real starting point. 🤓
 
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