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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
You know I hope you guys have something nice for Yohn when he is done with Joffrey. He may not be the little monster he is in canon at this age, but turning someone who has just come from the care of Cersei and the not-care of Robert into even a decent knight will not be an easy task. :V
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Squire him under Domeric Bolton.
 
Crake said:
What does he want? We can make it happen.

Our friends get all the best toys.
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He does not know the task would be hard yet and so would have to cause to ask for anything. More seriously being Yohn he would not ask for anything regardless even if Joff was a literal demon, he took it on o his own will and he will be damned it he does not see it though.
 
@Azel @DragonParadox

If we peg Domeric as being born in 273 rather than later, as per the wiki seeming to indicate him being between 273–281 AC, that would make him 21 at present, but that doesn't make much sense since he would have returned to the Dreadfort far sooner than when he died in canon to Ramsay.

The timeline just doesn't work out. He should be a teenager at this point, so he's not seasoned enough to have Joffrey serve as his squire.
 
Crake said:
@Azel @DragonParadox

If we peg Domeric as being born in 273 rather than later, as per the wiki seeming to indicate him being between 273–281 AC, that would make him 21 at present, but that doesn't make much sense since he would have returned to the Dreadfort far sooner than when he died in canon to Ramsay.

The timeline just doesn't work out. He should be a teenager at this point, so he's not seasoned enough to have Joffrey serve as his squire.
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Roose has recently brought him home (that was the journey on which he stopped at the at the Twins). So I pegged him at roundabout 17-18.

Mind, squiring would be in 4 to 5 years. Joffrey is too young. Page would work though.
 
Azel said:
Roose has recently brought him home (that was the journey on which he stopped at the at the Twins). So I pegged him at roundabout 17-18.

Mind, squiring would be in 4 to 5 years. Joffrey is too young. Page would work though.
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So have him be a page with Yohn until he turns 12-13, then have him squire with Domeric.
 
Azel said:
Roose has recently brought him home (that was the journey on which he stopped at the at the Twins). So I pegged him at roundabout 17-18.

Mind, squiring would be in 4 to 5 years. Joffrey is too young. Page would work though.
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I would say that age makes the most sense yeah. Being fair to GRRM unlike many of this other little slips the age of a character that is not even alive in canon and only mentioned in passing is more excusable than not.
 
[X] You will grant him a place in the Scholarum of Mantarys with a new name that is not Lannister.
-[X] Cogently point out that Tywin has already made that name into a byword for many unpleasant things, but 'folly' foremost among them. You don't particularly care what name he chooses, it can be as grandiose as he wishes, but he should try not to remind everyone he was a Lannister. He is unlikely to turn back the clock on that even if he worked at it for a thousand years (mostly because it is obvious that Viserys is deadset on ensuring no one makes any progress on it). At the very least, in Mantarys no one knows Tyrion, or really cares for his background. Most of them will care more for his skill with magic or the quickness of his mind.
--[X] To engender a bit more good will, offer the work of your Fleshcrafters. Bodily deformities do get around in Mantarys, but it would wipe away the last physical reminder of his past for him to no longer be a dwarf.
-[X] Like all former Lannisters with the power, finances or connections to become a problem, the Inquisition will monitor him and take necessary steps to ensure the stability of the realm if necessary.

[X] Arrange to have Tommen fostered in Braavos at the Sealord's Palace, learning useful skills that will serve him later in life.

[X] Arrange to have Joffrey fostered with Yohn Royce in Runestone, learning how to be a Knight with such wild notions as... protecting the weak and helpless... holding to ones vows... not betraying their liege lord. After witnessing the Kingsguard, you'd rather bet on a proven model.
-[X] Note: You currently have the notion of having him be Yohn's page for several years, and around the time he's ready to squire selecting an appropriate Knight to travel around as Aegon V did, to gain perspective and experience. Right now you're settled on Domeric Bolton as an appropriate choice, but anything could happen in that timeframe so you're not married to the idea.
 
@Crake, if you want to have Joffrey become a page and layer squire right now:
- Fenly Storm
- Benjicot Brown (assuming he doesn't join the Legion)
- Raymun Darry
- Rheallas paramour whose name I forgot
- Christon Storm

We do have the right people.
 
Azel said:
@Crake, if you want to have Joffrey become a page and layer squire right now:
- Fenly Storm
- Benjicot Brown (assuming he doesn't join the Legion)
- Raymun Darry
- Rheallas paramour whose name I forgot
- Christon Storm

We do have the right people.
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'Fenly' might be a touch cruel since he does look like his 'father's' younger brother. After being told he was no son of Robert Baratheon to be faced with those eyes... yeah not the best idea. The others looks fine though.
 
Azel said:
@Crake, if you want to have Joffrey become a page and layer squire right now:
- Fenly Storm
- Benjicot Brown (assuming he doesn't join the Legion)
- Raymun Darry
- Rheallas paramour whose name I forgot
- Christon Storm

We do have the right people.
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DragonParadox said:
'Fenly' might be a touch cruel since he does look like his 'father's' younger brother. After being told he was no son of Robert Baratheon to be faced with those eyes... yeah not the best idea. The others looks fine though.
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Criston won't work. He has the same problem that Richard and Waymar face. The stuff he fights is too deadly to bring a squire along, and if he's skilled enough to survive it, he should already be a knight in his own right.

Bonifer has been taking on similar work.

Raymun wouldnt be bad, but he's a courtier more than a knight.

Benjicott would be fine, though Joffrey might be a little more rough and tumble.

I wanna just keep him with Yohn. He produced three sons who fit the fantasy knight model. Let him work his magic for a few years.
 
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@Crake, my big issue with Yon is that he will be rather busy in the coming years with integrating the clans in his lands, keeping the remnants of the Vale knighthood in line and doing Imperial politics.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
He's got 8 years of tutelage under Yohn and I know we gave that man Phoenixes as well so Joff will turn out relatively stable by the time he is 16
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I don't think this sort of thing just evens out based on time. Yohn and the phoenixes are going to have their work cut out for them dealing with his baggage, especially since he picked it up during some critical formative years.


DragonParadox said:
You know I hope you guys have something nice for Yohn when he is done with Joffrey. He may not be the little monster he is in canon at this age, but turning someone who has just come from the care of Cersei and the not-care of Robert into even a decent knight will not be an easy task. :V
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That's going to be a hard one. He's got a son (and eventually daughter in law) in the companions and was an early loyalist, so politically speaking he's golden. On a material level he's already in a good position to get any help he wants on profitable upgrades to his fief, so expediting those isn't much of a boon.

Maybe some really exotic booze? A Book of Marvelous Recipes for his kitchen staff so that he can at least eat well while dealing with this shit? :V
 
Azel said:
@Crake, my big issue with Yon is that he will be rather busy in the coming years with integrating the clans in his lands, keeping the remnants of the Vale knighthood in line and doing Imperial politics.
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@DragonParadox already said he'd have time for it, and I don't see why he wouldn't. In politics of SD, he'd have 8 more hours from the Tree blessings, and probably a Ring of Sustenance for everything else.
 
I wonder if Yrael would take Joffrey as a paige first, then eventually in a squire-like position?
 
@DragonParadox I'm not sure if I understand Hasty's character well enough, but he has proximity with Rhaella that it wouldn't really be pulling Joffrey away from the levers of power and the turning of the realm unless we tell Bonifer to take a hike for a decade or so and wander Westeros like Egg and Dunk. That's an order he'd take without blinking, because that's just the way he is, but it'd be punishing Rhaella when we kinda just decided to turn a blind eye to her romantic entanglements out of respect and care.

So that pretty much leaves Brown... which would basically be neutering his career, if we asked him to do the same, which seemed on the rise at this point.
 
Crake said:
@DragonParadox I'm not sure if I understand Hasty's character well enough, but he has proximity with Rhaella that it wouldn't really be pulling Joffrey away from the levers of power and the turning of the realm unless we tell Bonifer to take a hike for a decade or so and wander Westeros like Egg and Dunk. That's an order he'd take without blinking, because that's just the way he is, but it'd be punishing Rhaella when we kinda just decided to turn a blind eye to her romantic entanglements out of respect and care.

So that pretty much leaves Brown... which would basically be neutering his career, if we asked him to do the same, which seemed on the rise at this point.
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Hasty wouldn't necessarily have to stay away from SD entirely. We have air transports, so he could take Joffrey to travel from Myr to Volantis and fly back home for a few weeks of downtime in the capital.

Or Rhealla just visits them by Teleport.
 
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