Well then since I wont be making a plan this turn I'll go for your plan
[X] Hundreds of innocent dead on the Streets of Ishval!!
FMA Brotherhood: Wahrheit (Current Arc: A Small Peace)
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[X] Hundreds of innocent dead on the Streets of Ishval!!
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- He/She/They
[X] Hundreds of innocent dead on the Streets of Ishval!!
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- Spain
You should thank that to @americanCaeser he was the one who started it...
And I ask my voters, do you think that I would add/remove something of my vote?
In general, I still don´t want to use our letter that is an excellent Ace in the Hole yet, and neither I want them to know that we tracked down the prisoners... But besides that, I am open to suggestions.
You should probably add something about the morality of all the things that the army have been doing. Because while most have been legal(except hospital incident) they certainly aren't moral or ethical actions. We should make the citizens of Amestris question what's going on and why and to question whether its really all right for these things to happen .
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- Spain
Not a bad idea, I will probably add something about how even if it is technically legal that is a clear brochure of the principles of proportionate response and morally nauseating when speaking about the riots...
Magoose
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- California USA
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I shall say this: The Amestris Army plays itself up as a moral army following many of the laws of war...
That it is a force meant to be seen as a peacekeeping force, rather then a foreign or occupying army enforcing its will upon an unruly population that bow to its will, and committing genocide because of a few (many) racists within its army.
I say again: almost every action they have done so far has been legal under Amestrian law...
That it is a force meant to be seen as a peacekeeping force, rather then a foreign or occupying army enforcing its will upon an unruly population that bow to its will, and committing genocide because of a few (many) racists within its army.
I say again: almost every action they have done so far has been legal under Amestrian law...
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- Spain
That doesn't mean that even if something is technically legal, it is not morally wrong, and or that it goes against the principle of proportionately response...
I mean, maybe the rules of engagement of Amestris allow its army to shoot on unarmed civilians, but that still a violation of an uncoded rule of proportionality of the force used in a certain situation, at least on my opinion...
Or I am looking at this the wrong way @Magoose ?
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Magoose
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Consider that the people running the show: Father and company view humans as little more the fuel for their mad plan?
you kinda are looking at it the wrong way.
you think that the people in charge care about human lives.
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- Spain
I know that the people in charge don´t give a shit about human lives,
But I am hoping that portraying their lawful actions as unmoral and disproportionate will be of significance for the people who do, namely the public opinion and those in the military that are not aware of their plans...
That is what this article is for. We won´t get nothing to stop Bradley, Father, and the higher-ups in central they will simply continue with their plans, but maybe enough people who actually give a fuck will do something that will at least throw a stone to wheels of the genocide.
Besides that @Magoose Is the moral judgment part of this, bad enough that they will blacklist us?
-[] Talk about the riots caused by the death of the kid and their consequences, also add that even if the military response was legal under the Amestrian law, it was a clear violation of the principle of proportionality and morally nauseating, also comment on how the military is ramping up their presence in the region, and make note that they are not equipped to handle riots or pacify the population, but as a pure combat force meant to be deployed on active frontlines.
Well at this point its not about convincing the people at the head of the government, they obviously don't care, have other priorates, or view their actions as necessary. We need to inform the public and make sure they realize that what's happening isn't ok. Maybe even the lower ranks of the military who don't share racist views or wont cross the line. Because I'm sure there are many more good soldiers like Willie. Though I don't think the army will let their men read the papers lol.
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Magoose
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I will not actually tell you that.
that is a choice I leave to you and your conscious.
do you want to do what is easy, or what is right?
Well I'm not saying you wield a lot of power... you don't as an organization... you do however have the truth... pure Naked and simple...
but is that enough to stop the Apathy of a citizenry that does not care?
can it shock them to realize the power they have to stop it?
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Well that is a good question. Right now probably no. But the war will eventually grow to massive proportions and certainly affect many of the citizens of Amestris.
Magoose
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I know for a fact Resembol will be bombed by anti government Ishvallans prompting the Rockbells to go east where they met their ends. By scar.
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- Spain
I was actually hoping that we managed to save them, maybe by being with them when the attack happened and managing to subdue a gravely hurt and traumatized scar.
I mean, compared with his usual self Scar was at that point weak as a kitten.
Plus I find that really tragic from all points of view, not only the death of the doctors was a tragedy, but that is probably the only death that Scar has caused when he was not in control of himself, in pain, and incapable of asses the situation he was in, so even if he killed them I cannot in good conscience call him a murderer for this particular kill.
Something to consider @Magoose is there are some schools of War Journalism that believe that any reporter that on those kinds of reports does anything besides presenting the cold facts to the audience and inserts their personal bias is breaking their Journalistic Integrity, so it is something to be avoided.
And there are other schools of war journalism that defend that the journalist cannot be just a passive observer and that he has to project himself and his morals on these reports to be capable of really transmitting the true horrors of war, especially when one of the sides is indiscriminately massacring the other.
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By the way, this seems extremely relevant for this quest.
Magoose
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Very true... though I shall say this:By the way, this seems extremely relevant for this quest.
"One Mans Article is another mans manifesto."
And therein lies your most important question...
What exactly is integrity when you have absolutely no stake in any of this besides profit and your own need to find the truth?
because at this point you are a war profiteer, maybe not in the traditional sense, but most certainly in a way.
Solarstream
It's all in the cards
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- Zombie World
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[X] Hundreds of innocent dead on the Streets of Ishval!!
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- colombia
By the way, this seems extremely relevant for this quest.
Well
Truth be told (he he)
News porpuse is to create conciousness over issues
But it aint a magical pill,it takes years of efforr tho get a cultural shift in a population,specially for a nation that is esentially a military dictatorship like amestris
If we discover that this was a setup by an unknown alchemist organization (AKA envy) and show it to the public
The war will not stop (that train left long ago),but we cam surely reduce its brutality and make both sides more willinv to find an agreement
And maybe we will get some opposition to the war in the lower ranks,but the shadow government of father and its sins will ensure no commander happens to survive if they raise their doubts too high
in revealing the truth we esentially out ourselves in a kill list
But we would build the foundations for others to take action (having proved it was an alchemist set up means that once others discover the existance of the sins it will make sense why they exist instead of being left with conspiranoic shit)
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- California,USA
You know we can publish this in One of the Other Nations under a Pseudonym right?
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- Spain
Well, I have kept the part that even if the response was legal it still seems disproportionate, but I have deleted the moral condemnation...
Not for now
- Location
- California,USA
But its a Valid Option. A Few 20th-century reporters did it.
Magoose
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- California USA
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Well the thing about Amestris is very interesting. Up until six weeks prior to Ishval, there was a Parlimentery Republic with truly representative governance of the Regions.
The reason it fell apart was two fold:
The Popular president stepped down due to a corruption scandal that indicted over half the government with bribery, and treason.
Half the men stepped down in shame... the other half were murdered by their own supporters because they consorted with traitors.
So there is no government... so the Military took over.
How real these crimes are, and if they are guilty... are is left for you to interpret... but there is a crisis in government going on that is making High command take action, and King Bradly is going to take command.
Ishval happening is just a happy coincidence to distract the population... though it is by no means just a way to gather philosopher stones.
Envy is going to be impossible to really discover... not unless he gets careless...
Which is not entirely out of character for him.
Considering that even Generals were against such actions in Ishval... Yeah we can make surely make some noise and make a lot of actions very uncomfortable.
Which is a valid option... though I shall say, we can get charged with Treason if we do that... and Even King Bradly would love to kill us if we started damaging the international reputation of Amestris.
Even if Amestris is the guilty party.
Gotta keep the blood flowing into the border regions.
again... you should do what you think is right.
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Ahh Waimer Republic with a Hint of Pre Civil War Spain and Inter War France thrown in.
All we need is the Communist Parties and we have the full Interwar package in tow.