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Wish It's A Revelation - Hellsing/The New Order Agency Quest

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ThatGuyWithIdeas said:
We do not want to destroy Germany, as that won't solve anything (other than potentially making us play into Himmler's plans). The best thing we can do about Germany is to ensure a reformist victory, so that we can turn Germany into an ally against any evil supernatural forces.
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speak for urself lol

nazi germany is a hellscape and "reformist" nazis are still nazis. peace without justice is tyranny.
 
I do agree with the above statement but we have to remember one thing that if we hypotheticaly destroy germany (assumedly with the equivalent of a supernatural nuke) we are going to have to deal with the thing we used to destroy germany

Also there are likely to be a shit ton of innocent civilians there and I would feel uncomfortable punishing them for their governments crimes
 
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veteranMortal said:
speak for urself lol

nazi germany is a hellscape and "reformist" nazis are still nazis. peace without justice is tyranny.
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Fine. Summon Cthulhu then. Rocks fall everyone dies. Because this quest is not vanilla TNO, you seem to forget. This is with Occult Grim Dark bullshit Hellsing magic. This means you will open a discount Eye of Terror by mass-murdering everyone because either The Major or Taboritsky or Velimir or Yazov are fucking Necromancer slash discount Daemon Primarchs in this quest. Congratfuckinglations!

You think me not wanting to go on genocide vengeance boner sprees because I am being merciful? No. I am just the pragmatist here who doesn't want to end up sending the planet into literal Doom Hell.
 
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veteranMortal said:
speak for urself lol

nazi germany is a hellscape and "reformist" nazis are still nazis. peace without justice is tyranny.
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1. I was talking about the real reformers (aka the GO4 - Schmidt, Kiesinger, Erhard and von Tresckow) not the "reformers" (aka Speer).

2. I am fine with fighting Germany and making sure they won't pose a threat to the world, but we must also exercise caution so that we won't wind up becoming pawns of either Himmler or the Major in our quest to neutralize the German threat.
 
Durabys said:
Fine. Summon Cthulhu then. Rocks fall everyone dies. Because this quest is not vanilla TNO, you seem to forget. This with Occult Grim Dark bullshit Hellsing magic. This means you will open a discount Eye of Terror by mass-murdering everyone because either The Major or Taboritsky or Velimir are fucking Necromancer slash discount Daemon Primarchs. Congratfuckinglations!

You think I am being merciful about not going on genocide vengenance sprees? Fuck no. I am just the pragmatist here who doesn't want to end up sending the planet into literal Doom Hell.

Also, the guy is not talking about the Speer 'Victory'. He is talking about the Best Route Gang of Four Victory.
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I think people have talked to you before about how you make absurd assumptions without consulting the actual people creating the thing, and then loudly declare they are canon.

And I don't give a shit, honestly. The Gang of Four are still nazis, who gained power within the nazi regime.
 
@Geckonator
Are the Teri!Bad Russian Unifiers from vanilla TNO in this quest? And if so, do they have their own Occult Research departments and occult forces loyal only to them.
 
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Alright so I'm assuming we are starting in Siberia due to Germany occupying the most populated parts of Russia am I correct?
 
Durabys said:
You know what? Do whatever you want.

@Geckonator
Are the Teri!Bad Russian Unifiers from vanilla TNO in this quest? And if so, do they have their own Occult Research departments and forces loyal only to them.
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I'm sorry, but like, what do you want me to say?

"Yes, Durabys, I agree, preserving nazi germany is a vital part of saving the human race. Trying to not have nazi germany any more will lead to the end of the world"

because im not going to say that, dude.
 
Even if the Go4 won they wouldn't relinquish Moskowien that easily. The reclamation of Russia, and hopefully the entirety of the former USSR's territories are the paramount goals for every Russian warlord (except the simp Vagner)

Frankly our best option is to be accelerationist, a faltering Bore Mann Germany.
 
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veteranMortal said:
"Yes, Durabys, I agree, preserving nazi germany is a vital part of saving the human race. Trying to not have nazi germany any more will lead to the end of the world"
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For fucks. I am not saying preserve the Nazis. I will repeat myself once more: I am saying to not kill tens of millions of Germans enmass because in this quest that would be a blood sacrifice and we do not know if someone is not anticipating us doing just that (because 'vengeful Russians duh') and so prepare according measures for it to bite us in the ass metaphysically.
 
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Valkyrien said:
Does Siberia have any missile Silos? Because I'm thinking about where we are going to have a base
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No Russian warlords have missiles as of 1962, although Zhdanov, Tukhachevsky and maybe the Black League can research them.

Speaking of which going as Ultravisionaries here would be primo funni
 
Durabys said:
For fucks. I am not saying preserve the Nazis. I will repeat myself once more: I am saying to not kill tens of millions of Germans enmass because in this quest that would be a blood sacrifice and we do not know if someone is not anticipating us doing just that (because 'vengeful Russian duh') and so prepare according measures for it to bite us in the ass metaphysically.
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thats not what you said my dude

someone said "the best option is reforming nazi fucking germany":
ThatGuyWithIdeas said:
The best thing we can do about Germany is to ensure a reformist victory
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and i said "no actually the best option is for there to not be a nazi germany":

veteranMortal said:
speak for urself lol

nazi germany is a hellscape and "reformist" nazis are still nazis. peace without justice is tyranny.
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and then you had a normal one about how not leaving the nazis in charge will doom the world:

Durabys said:
Fine. Summon Cthulhu then. Rocks fall everyone dies. Because this quest is not vanilla TNO, you seem to forget. This is with Occult Grim Dark bullshit Hellsing magic. This means you will open a discount Eye of Terror by mass-murdering everyone because either The Major or Taboritsky or Velimir or Yazov are fucking Necromancer slash discount Daemon Primarchs in this quest. Congratfuckinglations!

You think me not wanting to go on genocide vengeance boner sprees because I am being merciful? No. I am just the pragmatist here who doesn't want to end up sending the planet into literal Doom Hell.

Also, the guy is not talking about the Speer 'Victory'. He is talking about the Best Route Gang of Four Victory.
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so yes. you did say that. if you dont want to be saying that, then dont fucking say it.
 
Durabys said:
Worse. Not Himmler's plans. But the Major's. He had decades of free time to do whatever the fuck he can. Wanna bet the fucker decorated the entire Third Reich and its Reichskommissariats like a Christmas tree with blood sacrifice wards, occult energy collector rune works, and worse...MUCH WORSE...for the entire planet.


The greatest battle and war of them all? The Major storming Heaven and fighting God. The ultimate expression of the Major's Nietzschean Ultraradical Humanist frenzy.

AKA: Killing all Germans could literally doom all the souls of the Human race. Let's not do that, please?
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For the record, this is all bullshit. Some things I like preserving the surprise and not saying anyone's theories are right or wrong, but on this I'm coming down hard.

The Major certainly has awful plans for Germany and the territories enslaved by it, but they're independent of who's Fuhrer or how hard Russia invades.
 
If there is a statement that started this whole argument, it would be mine. I should be the one to apologise for all of this.

Also, in the future, if I ever will discuss Speer and the GO4, I should clarify the terms that I may use to refer to them. If I use the term reformist (with no airquotes), I'm talking about GO4. If I'm using the term "reformist" (with airquotes; that said, I may wind up using the term pragmatist to ensure there is less confusion), I'm talking about Speer. These terms will also apply in any discussion I may make regarding Magadan (aka I may refer to Matkovsky with the term pragmatist and to Petlin with the term reformist).
 
Geckonator said:
For the record, this is all bullshit. Some things I like preserving the surprise and not saying anyone's theories are right or wrong, but on this I'm coming down hard.

The Major certainly has awful plans for Germany and the territories enslaved by it, but they're independent of who's Fuhrer or how hard Russia invades.
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I would add one thing to this, which is that you should probably give everything some time to start actually revealing itself, instead of just assuming stuff from what is just the setting of the quest itself, @Durabys.
 
Geckonator said:
For the record, this is all bullshit. Some things I like preserving the surprise and not saying anyone's theories are right or wrong, but on this I'm coming down hard.

The Major certainly has awful plans for Germany and the territories enslaved by it, but they're independent of who's Fuhrer or how hard Russia invades.
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Thank you for explaining it.

Fenia said:
I would add one thing to this, which is that you should probably give everything some time to start actually revealing itself, instead of just assuming stuff from what is just the setting of the quest itself, @Durabys.
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Sorry. Autist here, have trouble toning down my enthusiasm and imprecise arguments because I write faster than my brain does, since forever.
 
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