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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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ryuan said:
The Token Evil minion is Qyburn? So far he didn't try to strain his oaths despite his eccentricities.
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No, I just meant in general. We have plenty of evil minions, and the purposes of the joke don't particularly care about the story focusing on someone who serves us barely being held back on a leash or not.

We are usually much more discerning than that when recruiting anyone, much less trusting them with more than they're capable of.

If anything, practically everyone who would test their oaths has been encouraged not to by the fact that all of the things they desire from us (Bolton wanting to improve his lands and get a Scholarum branch) are contingent on our viewing them favorably. Words are wind after all, but consistent loyalty is something we've at least shown ourselves as rewarding.
 
Tomcost said:
The nearest thing to the token evil minion was Old Glyra.

And we were tempted to straight up murder her many times before
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She was too CE to be a good sounding board for treachery. The best ones for those are probably NE, since the truly lawful will basically follow the rules, and only betray you when they feel like they're comfortable enough that all of the social consequences fall well in their favor.

We mostly tend to get Lawful Evil folks, perhaps because Viserys basically operates like a Machiavellian villain with a compassionate streak in the odd place.
 
Tomcost said:
I'm still hoping we can get Richard to cleave boulders in half.

To those with enough knowledge in the mechanics of D&D, how many shots can he deflect per round, if he concentrates in only doing that?
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Richard can do this as many times as he has Attacks of Opportunity. With Combat Reflexes, Richard can make a total of 6 AoO per round. So if for some reason several giants all tossed a boulder at him, he could slice through each of them.

If a couple dozen archers tried the same, he could deflect a quarter of them.

So quite reasonably bullshit if kept in the context that he is slicing fast moving objects as they come close to him, one per second in a space of six seconds.

Meaning that being unable to hit all twenty-plus arrows is mostly just because he can't track the objects and then swing faster than that.

With Belt of Battle and Time Stands Still, he could definitely swing three times faster than that, just about. :V
 
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Crake said:
Richard can do this as many times as he has Attacks of Opportunity. With Combat Reflexes, Richard can make a total of 6 AoO per round. So if for some reason several giants all tossed a boulder at him, he could slice through each of them.

If a couple dozen archers tried the same, he could deflect a quarter of them.

So quite reasonably bullshit in kept in the context that he is slicing fast moving objects as they come close to him, one per second in a space of six seconds.

Meaning that being unable to hit all twenty-plus arrows is mostly just because he can't swing faster than that.
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Still, he can likely deflect a full siege barrage thrown at him. That's awesome enough.
 
DragonParadox said:
The king was blatantly unstable, all you would have to do is look his uncut beard and nails, remember why that was and you would have gotten a decent idea of Aerys' motivations. Rikard was arrogant, he thought surely a Great Lord could not be killed the same way as petty nobles, as servants, he was wrong.

The Wildfire may have beeen hard to guess at, the execution was not IMO
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Keep in mind he saw the King all of ONCE, and may not have even spoken with him during the Tournament. There are rumors that the King is mad but there are always rumors, and he likely didn't have anything like trusted agents to give him the facts of the matter.
 
[X] Azel

I have to say that I'm glad we went with Viserys all those years ago and not Arya because now we only have to deal with Ned Stark on our own terms and not his.
 
[X] Azel

When was the last time Jon and Viserys talked with each other let alone had some kind of special moment together? Would think Jon would be somewhat curious about his other uncle that is conquering lots of land.
 
mrsean22 said:
[X] Azel

When was the last time Jon and Viserys talked with each other let alone had some kind of special moment together? Would think Jon would be somewhat curious about his other uncle that is conquering lots of land.
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Not too long ago, relatively speaking. About five months ago, in person?
 
mrsean22 said:
[X] Azel

When was the last time Jon and Viserys talked with each other let alone had some kind of special moment together? Would think Jon would be somewhat curious about his other uncle that is conquering lots of land.
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Crake said:
Not too long ago, relatively speaking. About five months ago, in person?
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That being said, Jon has met Viserys precisely one time, and never again after that. We've been too busy.
 
Crake said:
We've visited him in Dreams twice, IIRC.
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My bad then, I have no memory of the second visit.

That said for those who care here's the first visit:

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lancelot said:
Keep in mind he saw the King all of ONCE, and may not have even spoken with him during the Tournament. There are rumors that the King is mad but there are always rumors, and he likely didn't have anything like trusted agents to give him the facts of the matter.
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Then he was remiss in not keeping up with the mental state of his overlord and the doing of the court. Hint, multiple executions by burning people alive for trumped up charges are not good signs.
 
DragonParadox said:
Then he was remiss in not keeping up with the mental state of his overlord and the doing of the court. Hint, multiple executions by burning people alive for trumped up charges are not good signs.
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He is on the over side of the continent and there is hearing about something 3rd, 4th, or however many hands later exaggerated by a rumor mill, and seeing it for yourself. Then you have his spymaster likely doing his job suppressing, and tampering with the rumor mill, and reports from the few people a Lord Paramount might trust. It would be different if Rickard, or the other Lords had witnessed one of the King's episodes for themselves, but for being THAT insane seeing is believing and he didn't see.

Also maybe I'm mixing AUs up but I thought in this quest Lyanna didn't agree to shit and was kidnapped to be his second wife which is why she was so pissed when meeting Viserys? Unlike that useless fucking show.
 
Adhoc vote count started by egoo on Nov 28, 2020 at 5:41 AM, finished with 76 posts and 22 votes.
  • [X] Plan Diplomatic Offense
    -[X] Whom to take along and why:
    --[X] Viserys - Talking with Ned about the urgent matters at hand and general politics. Take a long the remaining items in the pile earmarked for sacrifice, in case you will need them.
    --[X] Rhealla - Talking with Catelyn, since she knows what it's like to lose family.
    --[X] Dany - Talking with Jon, since she has somewhat of a friendship with him, and has experience with dead brothers.
    --[X] Richard - To stand in the corner and scowl.
    --[X] Rina and Vee - Look over the attackers corpse and scan the keep for signs of it's activities. How it got in, other victims, potential traps left behind and so on.
    ---[X] Pop a quick Divination to check that Rina won't be recognized as hostile by the wards. If she is, bring Lya instead.
    -[X] First and foremost, offer you condolence for the events that transpired.
    -[X] Get his permission to check Winterfell for further intruders and other surprises left behind (Rina and Vee) while getting Dany to Jon under the pretense of debriefing him to not arouse too much suspicion about how they know each other.
    -[X] Divine if Robb can be resurrected:
    --[X] If yes, offer him to see if you can resurrect his son, with the caveat that the nature of the creature that killed him might have made that impossible. Results you got when attempting to resurrect persons killed by or connected to the void varied. Worst case, his soul is gone for good and you will only animate they body as a wight. (Insist on calling it "the body" in this context, so that he and Catelyn get it into their head that their son is nor a pile of meat and vice versa, just in case that really happens.)
    ---[X] Toss as many sacrifices as necessary on that project.
    --[X] If not, throw the book at them what the Others are, why they are bad news and that they can kill something beyond all recovery. If they still insist or give off the impression of trying anyway, offer them to do so, but tell them flat out that you will likely just animate the body as a Wight since their son is gone for good.
    -[X] Since the Starks apparently haven't gotten the newest Imperial Times from Wintertown yet, bring a few copies along to hand them out when the topic comes to Robert.
    -[X] Also divine why Ned didn't receive the news yet and if Maester Luwyn is trustworthy.
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lancelot said:
He is on the over side of the continent and there is hearing about something 3rd, 4th, or however many hands later exaggerated by a rumor mill, and seeing it for yourself. Then you have his spymaster likely doing his job suppressing, and tampering with the rumor mill, and reports from the few people a Lord Paramount might trust. It would be different if Rickard, or the other Lords had witnessed one of the King's episodes for themselves, but for being THAT insane seeing is believing and he didn't see.

Also maybe I'm mixing AUs up but I thought in this quest Lyanna didn't agree to shit and was kidnapped to be his second wife which is why she was so pissed when meeting Viserys? Unlike that useless fucking show.
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No, she went willingly, then she changed her mind. Rhaegar kept her imprisoned afterwards in order to 'fulfil the pact of Ice and Fire'. 🤢
 
lancelot said:
He is on the over side of the continent and there is hearing about something 3rd, 4th, or however many hands later exaggerated by a rumor mill, and seeing it for yourself. Then you have his spymaster likely doing his job suppressing, and tampering with the rumor mill, and reports from the few people a Lord Paramount might trust. It would be different if Rickard, or the other Lords had witnessed one of the King's episodes for themselves, but for being THAT insane seeing is believing and he didn't see.

Also maybe I'm mixing AUs up but I thought in this quest Lyanna didn't agree to shit and was kidnapped to be his second wife which is why she was so pissed when meeting Viserys? Unlike that useless fucking show.
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  1. The executions were incredibly public, that was the point of them, so was King Scab's appearance. Given that the man was Rikard's direct overlord paying some attention to what he did in public does not strike me as too much.
  2. Lyanna went willingly with Rhaegar originally since he was the handsome prince who swept her off her feet. She was then held against her will at the Tower of Joy and yes raped when the full scope of the conflict became clear and she wanted to go back and try to save her family.
 
DragonParadox said:
The executions were incredibly public, that was the point of them, so was King Scab's appearance. Given that the man was Rikard's direct overlord paying some attention to what he did in public does not strike me as too much.
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I'm not saying it absolved him of all blame, but normally the North hardly has anything to do with the rest of the 7 Kingdoms. There isolated because for the most part they don't go south and the south don't go north. He'd get rumors yes, but by the time they reached him they'd sound even more insane then reality. They were also only 'public' among the nobility who likely kept their mouth shut in case talking about their crazy king got them tossed in the fire next.

Getting an agent into court to confirm rumors, sending letters by land and not bird and therefore able to be intercepted. Letters that would question the King's sanity, while in the others confirm the man is nuts. That would make doing this not only expensive but dangerous, and after generations of being mostly isolated from everything south of the neck it isn't worth it without the power of hindsight.
 
lancelot said:
I'm not saying it absolved him of all blame, but normally the North hardly has anything to do with the rest of the 7 Kingdoms. There isolated because for the most part they don't go south and the south don't go north. He'd get rumors yes, but by the time they reached him they'd sound even more insane then reality. They were also only 'public' among the nobility who likely kept their mouth shut in case talking about their crazy king got them tossed in the fire next.

Getting an agent into court to confirm rumors, sending letters by land and not bird and therefore able to be intercepted. Letters that would question the King's sanity, while in the others confirm the man is nuts. That would make doing this not only expensive but dangerous, and after generations of being mostly isolated from everything south of the neck it isn't worth it without the power of hindsight.
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Rickard was the man who forged allainces in the South, the same alliances that won the Rebellion. One cannot give him credit for that without apportioning an equal amount of blame for charging in after Brandon with no plan but trusting Aerys' mercy/common sense.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Rickard was the man who forged allainces in the South, the same alliances that won the Rebellion. One cannot give him credit for that without apportioning and equal amount of blame for charging in after Brandon with no plan but trusting Aerys' mercy/common sense.
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What other plan was there besides leaving Brandon to Aerys' mercy/common sense? Rikard didn't have spies, or agents, and it isn't like the faceless to rescue missions even if he could afford it. All he had at that point was the hope Aerys was less insane than rumor and trial by combat is about as 'scared' as Guest rights. Seeing how if I remember right he didn't have Ice with him, well maybe he loved his son and could stand by and do nothing to save him.
 
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