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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Azel

Your "in case of renewed hostilities" has a problem though: what if they attack us? We won't be able to return the body to them before an attack we don't know about. This would make us an oathbreaker to a Fey Lord, which is probably narratively bad somehow.
I suggest rephrasing it a little to give ourselves an out.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
[X] Azel

Your "in case of renewed hostilities" has a problem though: what if they attack us? We won't be able to return the body to them before an attack we don't know about. This would make us an oathbreaker to a Fey Lord, which is probably narratively bad somehow.
I suggest rephrasing it a little to give ourselves an out.
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Nope. If they surprise attack us, then they have broken the ceasefire. To attack us, they have to announce their intention to do so and wait for us to drop off the body. Only then we return to a state of war.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
[X] Azel

Your "in case of renewed hostilities" has a problem though: what if they attack us? We won't be able to return the body to them before an attack we don't know about. This would make us an oathbreaker to a Fey Lord, which is probably narratively bad somehow.
I suggest rephrasing it a little to give ourselves an out.
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They are bound to declare war as much as we are by keeping the deal.
 
DragonParadox said:
That is the majority opinion on the matter yes. However some of the Dreamers point out to how much the world has changed in an eye blink, from their perspective.
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Do you mean Viserys ideas for industrialization and how he rode the magic train into improving, updating and upgrading every aspect of mortal life, governance and civilization he could think of, and is still going full steam ahead to do so? :V
 
Azel said:
He'd have to renounce the court to do that, so he leaves behind his metaphysical and narrative power gained from his position.
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He's a fey, narrative power can come from all kinds of places if he's clever. Spinning it as tricking the dragon king into letting him go, and going through a metaphorical renewal before starting a new court from a different arrangement of the same old players would be a clean way to bridge the gap.

It would probably weaken him to some degree, but if he can keep some of it then the question of "will he use this loophole" comes down to how much power he thinks escaping is worth.
Crake said:
If my read on @Azel is correct, he is going to give her a fate worse than death.

The rest of her court, it doesn't matter what they swear to, so long as it's sworn in our favor.

But her? She's going to become a member of Moonsong's court. :evil:
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Does Glyra's fey oath thing take into account context or just HD? Could we arrange it so that Dusk Dancer is bound in the exact same manner as the average gremlin for maximum shaming?
 
Crake said:
Do you mean Viserys ideas for industrialization and how he rode the magic train into improving, updating and upgrading every aspect of mortal life, governance and civilization he could think of, and is still going full steam ahead to do so? :V
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Yes, that somewhat confusing blinding speed change. If they did not have so much invested in Viserys already and so much proof of good will in the form of new weirwoods, helping the Singers, fire-proofing heart trees etc... they would probably be panicking at this point. Fortuently they do have all those things so most of what you get on that front is the divine equivalent of grandpa grumbling jokingly about newfangled technology.
 
BronzeTongue said:
He's a fey, narrative power can come from all kinds of places if he's clever. Spinning it as tricking the dragon king into letting him go, and going through a metaphorical renewal before starting a new court from a different arrangement of the same old players would be a clean way to bridge the gap.

It would probably weaken him to some degree, but if he can keep some of it then the question of "will he use this loophole" comes down to how much power he thinks escaping is worth.
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Ultimately, that would be fine. The main goal of my plan is to further divide the court as an entity to further weaken its members collective power.

But fair enough. I'll make it "he and his court" so that he doesn't get the pick.
 
DragonParadox said:
Yes, that somewhat confusing blinding speed change. If they did not have so much invested in Viserys already and so much proof of good will in the form of new weirwoods, helping the Singers, fire-proofing heart trees etc... they would probably be panicking at this point. Fortuently they do have all those things so most of what you get on that front is the divine equivalent of grandpa grumbling jokingly about newfangled technology.
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The Old Gods do realize Viserys cares about them as the closest thing to a old grandpa, since Bloodraven is more of a father figure.

As expected!
 
So do you guys think that it'll make this whole event better or worse for Moonsong when she learns that we're making Dusk Dancer swear to her specifically out of petty spite more than anything else? :V
 
@Azel, is this a good time to go around and formally demand the allegiance of the independent courts in Westeros, or should that wait a while longer?
 
Azel said:
She was a member of the Violet court when we last met her and the leading theory is that she became it's new leader after the previous one had a serious case of death.
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Are we expecting all of the remains of the Court of Stars to capitulate, or just the Green Court as part of this deal? From reading the chapter, I don't think the other courts are involved in this negotiation.
 
Duesal said:
@Azel, is this a good time to go around and formally demand the allegiance of the independent courts in Westeros, or should that wait a while longer?
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Didn't we handle that already? Or did we just sort of get one-off agreements for non-aggression?
Goldfish said:
Are we expecting all of the remains of the Court of Stars to capitulate, or just the Green Court as part of this deal? From reading the chapter, I don't think the other courts are involved in this negotiation.
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We're just discussing the Green Court's individual terms.

AFAIK, it looks like the Court of Stars is destroyed, and the individual factions splintered off into separate courts.
 
Goldfish said:
Are we expecting all of the remains of the Court of Stars to capitulate, or just the Green Court as part of this deal? From reading the chapter, I don't think the other courts are involved in this negotiation.
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Don't we have another strike force dealing with them right now?

In any case, I think the idea was to deal with them in pieces to limit their individual negotiating power.
 
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