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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
*rolls spellcraft for Marwyn (with library)*

You could try but there would be a 10% of killing the ooze. At that point it is even odds of the gaze stabilizing at your preferred location or exploding into a conflagration of wild magic.
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Since "preferred location" would be "a demiplane", that might lead to complications.

Just to be clear though: I do not want to change anything on the Ooze side of the Gate, just to have a totally different Gate temporarily rigged to spit out everyone walking through it out of the same destination as the Ooze Gate. The effect also only lasts a few hours to a day.

My intention is not to permanently rewire the Gate.
 
Azel said:
Since "preferred location" would be "a demiplane", that might lead to complications.

Just to be clear though: I do not want to change anything on the Ooze side of the Gate, just to have a totally different Gate temporarily rigged to spit out everyone walking through it out of the same destination as the Ooze Gate. The effect also only lasts a few hours to a day.

My intention is not to permanently rewire the Gate.
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I realized this, the trouble is that gate inside a living creature (even one as simple as and ooze) is inherently unstable. There is a chance (10%) ti becomes attached to your spell in which case the ooze dies and the gate either follows the path of least planar resistance and realigns or just goes off in a surge of uncontrollable magic)

The other 90% of the times the spell works as intended.
 
DragonParadox said:
I realized this, the trouble is that gate inside a living creature (even one as simple as and ooze) is inherently unstable. There is a chance (10%) ti becomes attached to your spell in which case the ooze dies and the gate either follows the path of least planar resistance and realigns or just goes off in a surge of uncontrollable magic)

The other 90% of the times the spell works as intended.
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What does the Divination say?
 
Screw it. I got places to be, so the vote has to be crafted now.
Also, we got Lannisters to fry and cause a pair of pants to be soiled. This mission is already behind schedule and I'm not a fan of banking on the last mystery box being any better then the first two.

[X] Plan Pro-Gamer Move
-[X]

-[X] Instead of using a Demiplane to seal away the Oozes, instead use it to create a Gate that can then be redirected with Portal to Portal Redirect to act as an entrance to the same desination as the Ooze Gate.
-[X] Viserys and Lya will use the time freed up by cutting a day of summoning to do this operation. If Lya considers it safe to fully redirect the portal then to only do so temporarily, do so.
 
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egoo said:
What does the Divination say?
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Seeing as the odds are skewed extremely in our favor, on a scale of Well or Woe, it leans "Well".

But divination isn't fiat. As far as I can tell, the only thing that is Fiat is when you start throwing Mythic abilities around, like Flash of Omniscience.
 
DragonParadox said:
I realized this, the trouble is that gate inside a living creature (even one as simple as and ooze) is inherently unstable. There is a chance (10%) ti becomes attached to your spell in which case the ooze dies and the gate either follows the path of least planar resistance and realigns or just goes off in a surge of uncontrollable magic)

The other 90% of the times the spell works as intended.
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We will know if that 10% outcome takes place, though, right? Before sending people through it, I mean? I expect it would be fairly obvious, visually and magically.
 
DragonParadox said:
You can't divine a dice roll like that, it breaks the game OOC. IC the magic is simply too unpredictable to allow a meaningful answer.
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Question--on this subject-- is it possible to predicate actions taken based around a surge of Wild Magic in the area where the actions are being taken, whether that shield a Gate opening somewhere else on the same or another plane, or a magical effect going off on a timer, or something similar, to obscure divination?

I ask because it would be relevant in the case of wanting to confuse the results of a lot of individuals who are unwarded by Mindblank taking an action being shielded by the unpredictable nature of it, which is really no more complicated a plan (could happen this day, or could not, no way to tell until it happens) than just not telling your invasion fleet your plans and erasing the memory of everyone who contributed to them until the moment before you initiate them.

Just more... variable.
 
Goldfish said:
We will know if that 10% outcome takes place, though, right? Before sending people through it, I mean? I expect it would be fairly obvious, visually and magically.
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If 10% chance event occurs, we won't have to worry about sending anyone through it. Because there's good odds the wild magic event will cause the demiplane to collapse as a side effect and dump everyone preparing it into the Ethereal Plane.

If it doesn't just kill them all.
 
If we are doing Gate / Teleport based invasions, that bit of uncertainty can be obtained much easier: Don't tell them at all.

Nobody of the Praetori needs to know jack shit about their deployment until the moment they walk through that Gate.
 
Azel said:
If we are doing Gate / Teleport based invasions, that bit of uncertainty can be obtained much easier: Don't tell them at all.

Nobody of the Praetori needs to know jack shit about their deployment until the moment they walk through that Gate.
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I mean, the very fact that the success of this plan is variable based on a wild magic explosion not happening--impossible to divine--I don't think we have to worry about it either way.
 
Crake said:
Question--on this subject-- is it possible to predicate actions taken based around a surge of Wild Magic in the area where the actions are being taken, whether that shield a Gate opening somewhere else on the same or another plane, or a magical effect going off on a timer, or something similar, to obscure divination?

I ask because it would be relevant in the case of wanting to confuse the results of a lot of individuals who are unwarded by Mindblank taking an action being shielded by the unpredictable nature of it, which is really no more complicated a plan (could happen this day, or could not, no way to tell until it happens) than just not telling your invasion fleet your plans and erasing the memory of everyone who contributed to them until the moment before you initiate them.

Just more... variable.
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That sort of camouflage is possible but it would require actual wild magic, either a natural phenomenon or the result of the Wild Mage class or similar and depending on the scope it would only make divination unreliable not useless for those near the source.
 
DragonParadox said:
That sort of camouflage is possible but it would require actual wild magic, either a natural phenomenon or the result of the Wild Mage class or similar and depending on the scope it would only make divination unreliable not useless for those near the source.
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I mean, the event doesn't happen--until after the surge occurs. Which is impossible to predict.

What I'm saying is, it should be possible to divine the result... but not until just before it happens. Do you understand? You can prepare all of the people necessary, however large a group, but at best you can only divine that the movements are based around waiting for something to happen, not even what they're waiting for--because they don't know.

Then it happens, and then they act. You can divine it then... but you don't have much time to do so at all. And maybe your scheduled diviner isn't doing the spell at that time. Maybe the next one is three hours from then, same as always?

That's a three hour window where no one sees a small army moving to invade a fortress, just as an example.
 
@Crake, that is the base of all transitive divination security. Something that depends on something undivinable is also undivinable. That this works is established fact in this quest.
 
Azel said:
@Crake, that is the base of all transitive divination security. Something that depends on something undivinable is also undivinable. That this works is established fact in this quest.
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Honestly it has been so long since we have bothered to be anything but brash and direct about our bullshit means that it's hard to keep track of mechanics we've previously received rulings on.
 
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