[X] Plan: Expert Advice
-[X] Spend points on the Yáng Talisman
--[x] 17

Also, I've been meaning to say this earlier, but based on the month results, and the Chat with Russ referring to the rival reports... I think the Dream Queen has finally woken.
 
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Ehhh changing my mind. Talisman is in the lead, but as someone noted it'd be nice to get something that could boost Doof's occult here. Not gonna cry if/when Talisman vote wins though.

[X] Plan Secure the Book!
 
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-[X] Spend points on the Yáng Talisman
--[X] 17

I am voting for this for two reasons:
#1. AM LOOT GOBLIN! AN' EVERY GOB KNOWS YOU GATA COLLECT THE THE WHOLE SET!

#2.BILL
 
I find it's unlikely that we go mind control route, and even if so there should be spells for this kind of thing. Spying through dreams seems unreliable. For example if we use it on spy on employers option, how are you supposed to find or even understand alien cat dreams? Regarding possession I prefer if we learn to resist it through our own skills, instead of relying on useful gimmick. Without talisman we definitely will have more troubles with Dream Queen, but it will also be a learning opportunity.
See Sheep Talisman
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I expect it allows you to astral project out of your body as a flying spirit, invisible to mundane senses that can spy on people from afar and can attempt to enter a person's mindscape, dreams or body through their head.
 
Wait why are we voting for the talisman and not the gods damned ENCANTUS?

IT IS A BOOK. THAT CAN TEACH YOU MAGIC.

The Merlinian Encantus is an enormous book of everything you need to know about magic to get started and then some. I don't think Janna actually can make as much use of the Morganian one as she thinks she can, and the phrase "damaged safety features" makes me feel like this one's for advanced users only.
 
Hmmm...alright, I'm convinced.

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Damn shame we might not be able to mess with Hovarth, but the Talisman is also pretty damn good. Sorry Janna!
 
[X] Plan Secure the Book!

If there isn't something about astral projection or defense in that Encantus somewhere I will eat my hat, and the advantage information has over a Macguffin is that you can disseminate it!

Sure, it's more work, but it's also a way higher value!
 
One idea/explanation has been offered. I'd like to offer another.

(Not because I think I'm right, necessarily - just to offer other potential viewpoints.)

Xanatos hired the Huntsclan, today.

This, of course, sounds horrendous - Xanatos paid off a group of murderous, anti-magical bigots to steal an item at a magical auction, regardless of who got hurt? Is he that selfish? That amoral? His assistant is a magical creature! His son is a magical creature? Why would he hire people to hurt magical creatures?

Well, he didn't . He hired them to scare magical creatures. They took up hurting all on their own, and Xanatos is not happy about it. See this passage from the update:



Owen clued us in on how his boss was feeling, here. The only reason he would do that would be if this were something that Xanatos was mistaken to try and hide - such as, say, his frustration that the people he hired are not listening to orders. See it from Xanay et al's perspective: it's unlikely any of this would be traced back to David, but it isn't impossible. And if anyone were going to notice, it'd be the person who had been hanging around nearby all day, and has repeatedly shown to be shockingly more insightful than his personality lets on. Xanatos might gamble for trying to keep hidden, but apparently Owen was like "Okay, we admit it, we did this, but we did not mean for things to go this far."

100 to 1 that whatever's in the box, it is either an immortality method or a first step to one. 10 to 1 that it's something Demona needs to do a plan, and Xanatos knows about the plan, and wants to stop her, but failed to grab it out from under her. But that's all besides the point.

Why hire the Hunstclan? Even telling them directly that they are not to be harming people, that's an extraordinary risk. Even assuming that there's some way to back out of the deal or make the money and/or power offered worthless - and of course there is, this is Xanatos we're talking about - having your name potentially attached to the Huntsclan? Potentially swelling their powerbase? What could possibly be worth that much?

Well, avoiding something that would damage even more people. In the cold calculations of Xanatos-style rationality, ten innocent lives is worth a lot less than the innocent lives of an entire populace.

Remember all the way back when Goofy initially made contact with Xanatos? He told Owen to send an auction invite to us, and upon Owen pointing out that Goofy, being a Toon, may have stumbled in on the Bazaar by luck alone, Xanatos responded:

"Naturally," ... "And if it is luck, it would be best to manage how Doctor Doofenschmirtz enters the magical community."

We're already flouting the Masquerade just by doing our own thing, and every King knows that. If we decide to take the same approach to the magical masquerade, once we know about it, the magical masquerade, worldwide, is going to be revealed. And people are not going to be kind to something that sudden, that strange, and that dangerous "suddenly" popping up.

After the auction we might still be able to hash out some kind of agreement with Xanatos about stuff he nabbed and we would like to at least have a peek at, like that cookbook.
What better way to convince us that the Magical Masquerade needs upholding than by providing an object lesson? And then, of course, narrating the object lesson. Just to really drive the point home.

It's the classic Xanatos Gambit. He hires the Hunstclan with the hiring being the primary goal, not the object they are hired to steal. That's just a bonus, a nice buttercream icing once the cake's been dealt with. The primary purpose, the cake, is us, thinking the way about the magical masquerade that we're "supposed" to.

...and if that, plus subtly shifting the Good Doctor to pick up the key for mutual benefits (at zero cost to David), just so happens to also result in Heinz Doofenschmirtz subconsciously adapting a position that, clearly, this Xanatos guy is pretty friendly, cares about innocent people, and really knows what he's talking about; it'd probably be a good idea to listen to him more often on future endeavors, well...

... so much the better. Even if his hired spook manages to catch on to the whole thing, he needs to uphold the Masquerade too. If he can keep Doof away from Xanatos's evil, evil ambitions, and still figure out a way to keep all the pillars standing, more power to him. Xanatos is willing to take a minor loss in order to keep Shego and Doofenschmirtz on his side.

...hmm? What's that, doctor?

"Nice going?" What do you mean, 'nice going'? Was that sarcasm? it sounded genuine, but...

...oh no.

Oh, no, I've said too much. I was trying to avoid being too subtle for him, but that speech on people being dumb, panicky animals was too overt.

Heinz Doofenschmirtz figured out everything that happened here today! Abort! ABORT! ABORT!

(in reality, we're just idiots)

Yeeeeaaah *no*...not seeing Xanatos do that at all.

He knows how "magophobic" the Huntsclan is, so he knows that asking them to "only" scare some magical people to convince another King that has been rather open to Davids tips in the past to be mindful of the magical Masquerade would be a fool´s gamble - and David "My Intrigue stat is YES" Xanatos is the complete opposite of a fool.

Heck, even Doof (whose name incorporates the German word for "dumb or idiotic", for crying out loud) would consider doing that a bit of a gamble.

So no, probably not what happened here.

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Anyway, so there has indeed been some commotion at the auction already (although considering the perps in question, Demona seems unlikely as the masermind for the moment) and predictably Xanatos is more than a little pissed at it. As I said before, I highly doubt that he hired the Huntsclan *in his own "territory"* to raise a stink just to subtly teach us a lesseon when Doof has been nothing but open to any tips David has thrown our way.

No, I think his displeasure at the whole shebang is more genuine frustration at how stupid and prejudiced against opportunities people can be. He admitted to having *plans* how to use magic and what to achieve with it that have to be tabled thanks to that unfortunate-but-necessary Masquerade.

I admit to not quite understanding the bit between Russ and Xanatos, though.

As for my vote

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While it annoys me to have to forfeit even one Encantus, the last round coupled with the extreme competition now just leaves us in a bad spot. Because of that, while especially the Merlinian Encantus would help us finally getting it on with our Occult education, I decided to go for the Talisman on account of it being a very powerful piece of a set we already started and also us having the likes of our Grunkle to learn magic from.
 
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While it annoys me to have to forfeit even one Encantus, the last round coupled with the extreme competition now just leaves us in a bad spot. Because of that, while especially the Merlinian Encantus would help us finally getting it on with our Occult education, I decided to go for the Talisman on account of it being a very powerful piece of a set we already started and also us having the likes of our Grunkle to learn magic from.
you seem to have forgotten something that will allow us to get the the book later, we are a SUPERVILLAIN. so we can just steal it later.
 
"Ah, I'm afraid I have some bad news, everyone. I did have a rather unique item to display, but it's just been stolen. Or! That is what I would have said, had an independent buyer not paid the asking sale price at the last minute before the auction. That box was empty, so let's all take a moment to laugh at the Huntsclan's misfortune. Hahahahahaha!" Magica cackles.
You know, normally I'd assume this was a lie to save face, because why even have the box on the stage, if that's true. But given that it's Magica Despell she may have originally planned on making a big show of the box and explaining how she had a really great item that was bought at the last minute before the auction just to irritate the audience.
 
Hm.

So, I know it's Disney Villains Victorious, but I feel it's important to ask how, exactly, Horvath won.

I have no doubt it was very, very lethal for one Balthazar Blake... But Morgana being freed would have been rather unsubtle, I feel, and I don't think she'd miss something like this only to send Horvath to it.

Which leads me to question if Dave is still around, and if having the Merlinian Encantus might open the way to recruiting the Prime Merlinian down the line.
 
[ ] Plan beginners luck
-[ ] Spend points on the Merlinian Encantus
--[ ] How much? bid of 9 points
-[ ] Spend points on the Yáng Talisman
--[ ] How much? bid of 8 points
 
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