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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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ryuan said:
Guys, if we assault the Westerlands labs, that will signal the start of the war, but didn't we plan on starting the war proper on the Reach? Or are we splitting our forces when we invade?
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Here is my current proposal for how to kick off the invasion. Mind you that this will likely see some changes once we get more information on the military installation under Casterly Rock.
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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover In a world where magic has all but guttered to ashes, becoming the fare of charlatans, petty conjurers, and ragged illusionists, a mighty change is stirring. From small and fragile sparks a great blaze will be reborn and men will...
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@DragonParadox, I took the liberty to threadmark that since people keep asking about it too.
BronzeTongue said:
We will be deploying to multiple places, but I don't think that this involves anything that we need for the ritual. We can do both at once without reducing the resources allocated to either.
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If you mean the ritual against the Court of Stars, that's scheduled for the end of next month, one month before the actual invasion.
There won't be open deployments of military on Planetos, just a commando raid on the Feywild after the ritual, so it's not kicking off the war.

Unless Mace Tyrell wants to use us pulverizing his Fey allies as a pretext to declare war on us. I would be disappointed if he tries that. Very disappointed.
 
I thought abut doing a second update today but I'm not quite up to it guys. I'll handle the divination tomorrow

Good night guys, see you in the morning with more about the Westerlands and the Golden Shields.
 
@Azel, changes done, but Im sut note
egoo said:
-[] Part 3 - The Great Summoning: Summon as many Fiends as you possibly can to fuel the ritual.
----[] Guards: Vee (Free Action), Waymar (Free Action), Tyene (Free Action)
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If we send them with a Free Action, they can't take part in Qohor/Norvos, or at least not without losing progress somewhere else.
 
@Azel if the Lannisters hired Xorn or Mercs, I bet we could contact their HQ in the OV or send an envoy to that tribe and buy out their contracts.
 
Crake said:
@Azel if the Lannisters hired Xorn or Mercs, I bet we could contact their HQ in the OV or send an envoy to that tribe and buy out their contracts.
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I wouldn't really trust any mercs who would sell out their employer to us, so I'm not sure if tipping our hand like that might not backfire. If they spill the beans to the Lannisters, they will know that we intend to come from underground.
 
Azel said:
I wouldn't really trust any mercs who would sell out their employer to us, so I'm not sure if tipping our hand like that might not backfire. If they spill the beans to the Lannisters, they will know that we intend to come from underground.
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Fair enough. Flipping mercs is harder when they are more hidebound about their contracts.
 
Azel said:
Indeed. Fingers crossed that Tywin didn't want to risk "backstabbing sellswords" in the inner sanctum of his power base. The presense of Xorn patrols would complicate matters a lot.
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His goldenboys would be really buttmad if he turned to mercs. So if he hires any, they might not be coordinating?
 
Hiring mercs from the Plane of Earth wouldn't be impossible by any means, but we did manage to complicate that through diplomatic efforts in the Opaline Vault. Considering how much they're sticklers for rules, the Shaitain authorities aren't likely to look kindly on even sanctioned mercs who hire their services out to political pariahs.

Bound Earth Elementals would probably be more in line with the Golden Shields' approach to non-Human minion management.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about the Lannisters having Xorn mercenaries. Those definitely aren't our Xorns. Rock Shaker's tribe is way too canny to accidentally hire themselves out to our enemies, and I have no doubt Mountain Caller read up on Prime Material -- and especially Targaryen -- history the second the Terminus opened up and he got access to our Imperial Library. Always know your allies, and know their enemies.

Whatever mercenaries unfortunate enough to be hired by the Lannisters will be dealt with. We can try to use them as a message to the planes -- do not hire yourself out to enemies of the Targaryens. It's not exactly profitable when your side loses so decisively.
 
Crake said:
His goldenboys would be really buttmad if he turned to mercs. So if he hires any, they might not be coordinating?
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Hm... if so, then it would kinda make sense to have them patrol the PoE side of things. Which would open up some options.
I'm less then convinced of them being trustworthy, but them being willing to look the other way while Garin sneaks through with a bag full of undead if we keep them busy with coin counting? Yeah. That looks doable.
Goldfish said:
Hiring mercs from the Plane of Earth wouldn't be impossible by any means, but we did manage to complicate that through diplomatic efforts in the Opaline Vault. Considering how much they're sticklers for rules, the Shaitain authorities aren't likely to look kindly on even sanctioned mercs who hire their services out to political pariahs.

Bound Earth Elementals would probably be more in line with the Golden Shields' approach to non-Human minion management.
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Sadly, that's true.


Overall, I think the infiltration force should switch from regular Necrotic Molds to Greater Bloodclot Molds. The latter is vastly more expensive, but they come with a much better skillset for hiding themselves. Cloak of Khyber + Veil + Greater Invisibility means that it's nigh impossible to find them if they don't want to be found and with a burrowing undead as a chassis, the odds of some low-level muggles managing to catch them in a the warren benath the Rock is pretty much null. I originally wanted to make a bigger swarm of regular Necrotic Mold piloted undead, but since the smallest size we can make the chassis while still fitting a mold is Medium, that is kinda a bust. Especially since it's pretty hard to get extra senses on the chassis.

I'd really like to use Watchmoles here, but there's no way to mindblank them en masse.
 
Azel said:
I'd really like to use Watchmoles here, but there's no way to mindblank them en masse.
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If we want stealth Watchmen, we could afford to send a couple Hunter Bio-Constructs with Shadowforged Mind Blank rings. We have five Shadowforged Mind Blank rings that we've been pretty wary of using for mainline forces, but for this purpose, and in Westeros of all places, they should be more than adequate.

The Hunters have all the advantages of our other Watchmen creatures, along with extremely advanced stealth skills and the ability to maintain a constant Greater Invisibility effect. They're also serious combatants with a skillset that lends itself to assassinations.
 
Goldfish said:
If we want stealth Watchmen, we could afford to send a couple Hunter Bio-Constructs with Shadowforged Mind Blank rings. We have five Shadowforged Mind Blank rings that we've been pretty wary of using for mainline forces, but for this purpose, and in Westeros of all places, they should be more than adequate.

The Hunters have all the advantages of our other Watchmen creatures, along with extremely advanced stealth skills and the ability to maintain a constant Greater Invisibility effect. They're also serious combatants with a skillset that lends itself to assassinations.
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Hm... I'd prefer something that could burrow, but if we deploy them side-by-side with burrowing undead, they could use the tunnels dug by them instead.

@Crake, @Goldfish, what's you opinion on going with @BronzeTongues suggestion to go full Invasion of the Body Snatchers on them?
I wouldn't do so right now, but we could pull one of the Hunters next month and give the Mind Blank ring, plus a few things to boost their Disguise roll, to the Bodythief. Then the other Hunters and the undead could start ambushing patrols and replacing them with Pod creatures. It would give us the chance to sabotage much of the defenses and create a lot of chaos in the attack by having the pod spawned people start attacking the Lannister forces en masse.
 
Azel said:
Hm... I'd prefer something that could burrow, but if we deploy them side-by-side with burrowing undead, they could use the tunnels dug by them instead.

@Crake, @Goldfish, what's you opinion on going with @BronzeTongues suggestion to go full Invasion of the Body Snatchers on them?
I wouldn't do so right now, but we could pull one of the Hunters next month and give the Mind Blank ring, plus a few things to boost their Disguise roll, to the Bodythief. Then the other Hunters and the undead could start ambushing patrols and replacing them with Pod creatures. It would give us the chance to sabotage much of the defenses and create a lot of chaos in the attack by having the pod spawned people start attacking the Lannister forces en masse.
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I'm not a fan of creating anything which reproduces through predation on Human beings. Bodythieves don't quite fall into that category, at least in the traditional sense, but it's close enough for me.

Even ignoring that, I think such a plan would have too many failure points to make it feasible. Getting a Gargantuan-sized Plant creature into the place and set up would be difficult enough, but successfully ambushing everyone encountered would be impossible. Winning the fight to subdue each patrol doesn't help much if even one of them manages to sound an alarm, or if they happen to monitored in some way, such as through the use of something like a Status spell.
 
Goldfish said:
I'm not a fan of creating anything which reproduces through predation on Human beings. Bodythieves don't quite fall into that category, at least in the traditional sense, but it's close enough for me.

Even ignoring that, I think such a plan would have too many failure points to make it feasible. Getting a Gargantuan-sized Plant creature into the place and set up would be difficult enough, but successfully ambushing everyone encountered would be impossible. Winning the fight to subdue each patrol doesn't help much if even one of them manages to sound an alarm, or if they happen to monitored in some way, such as through the use of something like a Status spell.
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Most of those seem like solvable problems to me, but point on the Status spell. We don't really have anything that could fool that.

No Bodythieves then.
 
There's no easy way to say this guys so I'll just go ahead and do it, I got worse overnight, enough that I'm going to the hospital to get tested and to have doctor have a look at me. Hopefully it's not too bad and I'll be back in a day or three, if not well at least you guys will know where I am.

Hope to see you guys and continue this quest soon.
 
DragonParadox said:
There's no easy way to say this guys so I'll just go ahead and do it, I got worse overnight, enough that I'm going to the hospital to get tested and to have doctor have a look at me. Hopefully it's not too bad and I'll be back in a day or three, if not well at least you guys will know where I am.

Hope to see you guys and continue this quest soon.
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Good luck, dude. We're pulling for you!
 
Health update: the doctor did not admit me to hospital, I had a test done in the ambulance outside the hospital. That says something about how the doctors view the environment inside the hospital, they did not want to expose a potentially non-Covid-positive person to it if they could help it. I'll have the results of the test in two days, in the meantime my lungs came up clean to X-rays at least.
 
DragonParadox said:
Health update: the doctor did not admit me to hospital, I had a test done in the ambulance outside the hospital. That says something about how the doctors view the environment inside the hospital, they did not want to expose a potentially non-Covid-positive person to it if they could help it. I'll have the results of the test in two days, in the meantime my lungs came up clean to X-rays at least.
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It's the normal procedure in Germany too.
Hospitals don't want Corona-patients unless it's really necessary, to avoid you infecting people with other conditions as much as to avoid you getting hospital-bacteria.
So unless you have to be hospitalized due to the severity of the case, you are tested outside and send home.
 
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