Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
- Thread starter Silently Watches
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- Georgia
I've been trying to get it passed as a social vote since I joined the quest, back with the first vote after giving the adepts their device/spells, so unless something happens to Danny to change things, I don't plan on dropping it, either. That we never got past the denial phase of dealing with it bugs me, and will continue to bug me until the situation changes somehow.
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- Canada
landcollector said they were "on the verge" of giving us DLG, I tried to tip them over the edge in a non-confrontational way, and it backfired. C'est la vie. 🤷♂️
Vote isn't finished yet either. Could still swing our way. It helps that there are only two choices in this situation (DLG or social event) so no split votes.
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- Georgia
"Strongarm" is a bit much, but it has been third place two out of the last three activity votes, IIRC, so the thread is clearly interested. I've been trying to convince people that it would be worthwhile to see, and it is something I feel is needed to close out the emotional elements that Taylor never dealt with. Several of the people fighting to keep it from winning have stated that they hate Danny being involved in Worm fics pretty much at all, with a second vocal group being convinced that the only possible scene we could get from it winning a vote is pure angst and drama. The latter has been directly, explicitly contradicted by SW, but that doesn't stop that view coming up over and over.
Added to that is the difficulty we get with social votes. People here are not good at coming up with write ins or with getting people to vote for said write ins. What I'd be most likely to vote for is to bring Maclibuin and Epoch into Arcana, should the extra slot win, with the 'participate in X as a social event' option taking a second slot, but what would we do with the third?
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- Finland
"Let me have this or i will keep bringing it up" sounds lot like (stupidly pointless) threat, people vote for what they want, if you want people to vote for a thing, make a convincing argument.
And if people hate Danny, then that is a valid reason to vote against DLG. I don't hate Danny, i just find him incredibly boring compared to almost anything imaginable that we could be doing.
As for promises from SW, they are a decent writer, which is why i am following this quest, but after the "TSAB falls, Taylor dies" event, i am somewhat unwilling to trust them on things that have not already happened.
I don't mean they would intentionally lie, just thinking that interpreting what is going on might differ a bit.
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- Georgia
I've made extensive arguments on the issue. I don't consider my statement as "Let me have this or i will keep bringing it up," but, rather, as "I think we should vote for this and am not giving up on it." While the end result might look the same, the intent is quite different. I'd be happy to discuss specific ideas, but those I mentioned aren't. The 'nevar!Danny' people, which includes the 'I'm sick of Danny because he's boring" people rarely are willing to discuss the matter at all. The people insisting that the only possible way that DLG can go is angst and emo-osity likewise don't appear to be reading the threads, since they make the same argument over and over despite the number of times the author has told them otherwise.
I cannot debate with those who refuse to engage in the debate.
SW making clear statements about upcoming arcs was born in large parts from the feeling that the consequences of that one vote was nowhere near clearly foreshadowed enough*. While SW won't give details to avoid spoiling them, and won't tell us what to vote for, s/he has addressed specific complaints and interpretations of what s/he is offering us. A clear and explicit comment direct from the author might as well have been in an update of the story itself, though with the caveat that the longer it has been since a thing was said, the more likely things are to have been changed, often as a direct result of our actions. The comments about the DLG plot thread were all done within this arc, so I consider them canon until we hit the AAR, and still likely to be true until DLG ceases to be available as a main activity vote.
*There is some foreshadowing in the previous three or four updates, as I recall, but it is only barely discernible even knowing how the setup played out.
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- Finland
When someones position is "I'm sick of Danny because he is boring", they probably are not open for debate on the issue.
But i seriously doubt badgering them about it is going to be any better.
I have little interest in Danny in general, even less so in this quest.
That said, i can think of exactly two stories where Danny has been interesting character, Taylor Varga and Constellations, and in only one of those he is someone i actually like.
Trust, once lost, is hard to get back.
The two quests i am most invested in are Divided Loyalties and Thread of Destiny, in both i trust all vote options to be as they seem, no option is a trap, no single vote is going to end in sudden death, no option is there to screw with the player (ok, there was one, in Divided, years ago, and it had ten foot tall neon sign reading "schmuck bait" blinking on and of over it).
If either quest suddenly did anything closeto what happened here, that trust would be gone, and it would not be back anytime soon.
This quest had not build that trust when the event happened, and i don't think it can ever really reach back where it was.
That said, we get too little actual social actions with people, this is a change to have those when nothing important is on fire (no, Danny is not important).
There is a very limited cap on how many actions we can take, and far too often those are taken by emergencies because we can't trust anyone else to do their jobs.
So i would rather take this change to, i dunno, hang out with the various members of Arcana, instead of wasting screentime on something i am not interested in.
Firedon
Lazy Sleepy Cat
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- Germany
What was this?
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- Finland
Pretty much exactly what it says.
TSAB operatives come in and kill Taylor (not sure what we should have done to not die there, straight murder maybe?), thread looses its shit, thing gets retconned.
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- Earth
Civil War 8.9 - 8.10
a lot of salt follows 8.10 which was then edited.
Edit: this post has the ending before it was edited quoted:
Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
Ohhhhh, shit. ... *starts to say something, stops* I am this close to walking away from the quest.
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Edit2: and the Interlude that wasn't:
Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
This is what the first interlude would have been had Taylor died. Non-Canon Interlude “We’re getting feedback now, but the interference is still there.” “Increase power and adjust base frequency. We are too close to contact to let this slip through our fingers.” Teana watched the...
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- Location
- Ural, Russia, Earth
Worse.
They fully expected us to go straight murder, so it wouldn't have helped.
Instead we should have acted in an unexpected manner so they started to doubt they're fighting brainwashed Bombardment mage.
We should have refused to fight even when they were shooting at us.
Or we should have fought in melee even when our powerset is designed for shooting.
Or we should have called Vista for assistance, because she's definitely not an IAE soldier.
But of course it would have been very OOC for us, we had no reason to do anything like this.
Honestly, I find it quite beautiful. Silently made two well-meaning factions who consider each other allies fight each other to death, and they made it feel natural and believable.
Both sides have valid reasons to fight.
Both sides are sensible and will back down if they have any suspicion they're mistaken.
But to give such a suspicion one side should act completely out of character, contrary to the situation as they see it.
And so they don't.
And so they fight to death.
And so one of them dies.
That would have been an excellent scene for a fic. Not for a quest, sadly.
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- Finland
Eh, i probably would have a dropped it right then and there if it was a fic.
The whole thing depends on TSAB on not doing proper recon, making zero attempts at contacting the other party, and acting wildly out of character to the series.
Like, MGLN has the heroes go way beyond reasonable on trying to be non lethal, and it works because it is a optimistic series.
Here, they start with murder.
And then the whole murder attempt gets ignored from there on. And while lot of the thread seems to be fine with ignoring it, for me it remains a constant black mark against the quest, dragging it down whenever TSAB comes into the picture, because these people have proven themselves willing to resort to murder without proper recon to make sure they have a right target, or that the target can't be contained another way.
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- Georgia
I do not consider it badgering. I admit, though, that I have difficulty letting things drop so long as they are still being discussed. Most of my energy has gone into convincing the people in the middle that are open to the idea.
Ah, Taylor Varga, a story where Taylor is so massively OP it should be about as riveting as the backstory of a porno, and yet manages to be entirely entertaining because that power gets applied, primarily, to making BB the new top exporter of WTF in the world.
Certainly a valid opinion. I don't object to such scenes in the least*
*Though , admittedly, my OCD does complain when we don't include characters who aren't already at max socialization into situations where they could fit. I'm not a munchkin most of the time**, but seeing an achievement sitting on the sideline is a little itch in my brain that's hard to scratch.
**Characters made for Hackmaster being the primary exception. We play that specifically for munchkining the *&(( out of things, getting it out of our systems.
We decided to take out our frustrations on somebody who, admittedly, attacked us first. Since we were acting like the nearly mindless berserkers IAE with a ship's mana generator to draw power from, the TSAB agents decided we needed to be taken out before we could endanger the local populace or alert the Logia.
There were little hints, but the sheer scale of missing them, and how small and subtle the hints were, was what most of us consider the single worst moment of the quest. SW agreed that it was handled poorly enough that, even though our death wouldn't have been permanent, Samantha's death would have been, and the quest nearly ended then and there, thus why the follow up scene went from "killed berserker" to "captured Mage for interrogation".
What we needed to do was use any ability, at all, that was not part of the CW template, or choose to talk, thus revealing that we didn't speak Galean. Even having a GB/Familiar threw them a little, but the only previous incident they had for comparison was a ship with no animals on it, so not making GBs could have been a lack of materials issue, rather than a difference from IAE being damaged. Instead we went into the situation upset from Danny's condition and went Taylor Smash against a team chosen for the purpose of stopping IAE victims from taking over first Bet, then later Earths.
Almech_Alfarion
(Unverified Paradox)
- Location
- Roaming the Void of the Space between Spaces
Personally, the STAB* team's "Introduction" to the story is just one of several reasons why I personally want as little to do with the organization as we can get away with, and I will be heavily opposed to actually joining them if the vote ever comes up. Among other reasons are; 1) Taylor's canonical distrust of authority coupled with this quest's own stance on distrust of large officially sanctioned organizations such as the Protectorate is equally applicable to the STAB, so joining them would be highly out of character, 2) I am highly critical of the STAB's "Prime Directive" in it's implementation and think it goes too far in some instances, and is too selectively ignored in others, and 3) I feel that Taylor can make more of a difference and do more overall good by staying in and around Earth-Bet and its contemporary parallel instances.
*Misspelling deliberate in context.
*Misspelling deliberate in context.
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- Finland
Yes, all we needed to do was act wildly out of character in a way that would, in most similar situations, be highly dangerous to us and everyone around us, if not downright suicidal.
Great plan.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
[X] Daddy's Little Girl
Rajvik_wolfboy
Wolf amongst the stars.
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- Florida
I am telling you all now that DLG is going to do nothing for closure and cause heartbreak and discontent. That said, some folks have to learn the hard way so.
[X] Daddy's Little Girl
[X] Daddy's Little Girl
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- Finland
I assume you are joking, but if not, spite is as valid a reason to vote as any other.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
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- Walking the Endless Corridors
I assume you are joking, but if not, spite is as valid a reason to vote as any other.
It's really not.
Like, not at all.
Yes, I know you're joking, it's a terrible joke and no one's laughing except you.
Almech_Alfarion
(Unverified Paradox)
- Location
- Roaming the Void of the Space between Spaces
Joke's on you then, since I think it's hilarious. My own sense of spite over this vote would be satiated by seeing the DLG quest die in a ditch without ever being taken, but my sense of schadenfreude appreciates someone else's.
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