Girl's Frontline: Wicked Animandum

I find this distasteful.
And unpleasant.
I refuse to have suffering in my cup of hope and fluff, and all the other good feels.

But most importantly SF just tried to devoid the world of a cutie. A cutie that could have been part of V's harem bunch of misfits. That's a cardinal sin right there.
More, that's heresy!

If SF wants to play with fire I say we let V play with a nuclear powered flamethrower.
They want Benelli? Fine. They can have her... after V uploads her own code to Benelli (through a separate medium ofc)

Lets see how SF enjoys their own house on fire as Dogos refuse to obey orders and demand hull pats!
 
Its not the same? Ro's only issue with SOP tearing her core out of her body was that she was stuck in a doggo afterwards.

Putting it like you did isn't really right because its less that and more everything that makes them who they are is in the core. The body is just window dressing. And equipment I suppose.

And the cores go into hibernation/standby as well and lose any communication equipment in the body. She's not a hazard unless someone tries to plug directly into the core in which case they're trying to hack a doll anyway.

With the way SOP treated it it seems far more like an emergency rescue function. Rip out the core and take it with you back to base if the body is unsalvageable so that the doll retains continuity of conscious. In that light it seems downright reasonable to tear out her core, if we can figure out a way to make her safe we can slap her into a new body and wake her back up, if we can't then we can break her core and she's dead anyway. *Shrug*
So, your argument is that the core is off while it's outside a body. Doesn't change the fact that it's still infected, and the second you put it into something, Benelli is back and realizes what you did. She will beg you to end her, while the virus within will try to contact SF with whatever the body it's installed in can do. No matter how you look at it, it's torture, with little chance of success.

Again, it's possible, if enough people really wanna vote for it. Maybe it'd be more of a "convince them" vote. Just hope you pass the speech check.
 
So, your argument is that the core is off while it's outside a body. Doesn't change the fact that it's still infected, and the second you put it into something, Benelli is back and realizes what you did. She will beg you to end her, while the virus within will try to contact SF with whatever the body it's installed in can do. No matter how you look at it, it's torture, with little chance of success.

Again, it's possible, if enough people really wanna vote for it. Maybe it'd be more of a "convince them" vote. Just hope you pass the speech check.
I'm not sure how it being still infected is the problem? That's kind of the point really. To see what the virus is actually doing and maybe stop it if we can, but at least witness the effects.

If nothing else the virus can't transfer without either a direct physical connection or jumping units via zener network comms.

Its not torture so much as having a medical test subject. As close to a case zero as we can get at that. If we ask and she says yes, great, if she doesn't... things get complicated. What do you do as a doctor or good person? End the suffering of one or prepare for the storm as best as you can for yourself and those around you?

That's where the morality/ethics argument can get messy.

If she doesn't have access to a comm unit then she can't contact SF either, we see AR-15 have issues, but ultimately still be able to function even when infected. Same for the UMP sisters even if they're a bit of a different case.

I'm also not suggesting doing anything more than plugging a closed-circuit laptop/computer into her to look through her coding. Not something that I think would trigger her to reactivate. In fact she may just be able to keep herself off-line anyway, or set her activation threshold so high we have to kick her back on manually in order for her to wake up again.

Ro didn't kick back on the moment she was in a doggo body, SOP had to jury rig it around a bit for it to work with her core. There's some kind of threshold involved anyway.

This did bring to mind a problem with the story, why wouldn't the commander have just had our's taken out? Brainstorming I figured there might be a number of defenses against this. Meltdown, data wipe, hard lockdown, etc. Safe ways to remove it would maybe involve the doll herself diving down into her lower layers and deactivating the defenses and/or there being a code one could enter, likely varying by company then area deployed/commander or something. Probably known by the adjutant as well?

Especially in Groza's (former?) situation.

Which means Ots-12 probably would know it. :V

So my idea would be to ask her to put herself as deep into hibernation mode as she can and release her core. If we find a way for her to function safely, great, if not then she won't notice a difference anyway.
 
[] "Benelli. I need to know what the virus is doing. Go into hibernation and release your core. If I can help you, I will, and then we can decide what to do when you wake up. If I can't then you won't wake up again. I need to know what this virus is doing though Benelli. I'm an E-war model, I'm the best chance anyone has if they're infected, but I need to know whatever I can about what it is and what its doing to you. I'm sorry."

An idea I'll throw at the wall anyway
 
remember the only girl thats been infected by parapluie and was changed was UMP 45, because she was already an SF doll, every other doll that has been infected has been converted to SF.

I really don't think its a risk we should be taking at this point in time, if we had the equipment and the time maybe but we are currently on a mission
 
[X] "If we find her."
[X] "You will not have died in vain. We'll make them pay."

Last option is tricky, do it wrong and we might end up pouring fuel to the fire.

[X] "Benelli. I need to know what the virus is doing. Go into hibernation and release your core. If I can help you, I will, and then we can decide what to do when you wake up. If I can't then you won't wake up again. I need to know what this virus is doing though Benelli. I'm an E-war model, I'm the best chance anyone has if they're infected, but I need to know whatever I can about what it is and what its doing to you. I'm sorry."

To be honest, this seems much better than the other two option.

edit: being indecisive

[X] "... I'll do it."
 
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That write-in is unacceptably risky imo. Yes, we specialize in E-War, but Parapluie is something mostly unknown to us and extremely dangerous. The chance we get in over our head and get converted ourselves is too high.
 
It should be possible to have Benelli hibernate, and view her codding through a separate medium (like a laptop) or even SF's own station.
V might not be able to fix Benelli, but that doesn't mean she can't set her free from both G&K and SF altogether, and turn her back on.
 
Well, I see that a few are pretty persistent about a third way. While I still don't want to include an option that would make this death scene... well, not a death scene, there's one thing I said when I started this whole quest ages ago. And that is that riots are a thing I allow. So, if y'all really want your way, enough of you can force the new vote through, and I'll adjust the plot appropriately if that happens. I won't sabotage it to get back at you all or something, I'll accept it as a genuine option, even if I don't want to. Treat it as a write-in, and vote away. Vote to take the core, and I'll handle the rest.

Just make sure you're doing the right thing for the plot. Character deaths and drama are simply something that happens in stories, you can't just logic your way through every obstacle if it's meant to be an emotional one. The plot will suffer otherwise.
 
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we really should not be taking this risk, we've been really really lucky that Lurkman hasn't punished us hasher for mistakes we've made throughout this quest. if we mess up we its game over, no more free V nothing. we may be an E-war doll but that doesn't help against parapluie.
 
How about letting Benelli live?
Let Parapluie take over Benelli, and have V blow her cover by warning GK of the conversion, while also warning SF she blew Benellis cover as a potential agent.
This way Benelli stays alive, if under SF control, but gives us a chance to retrieve/barter for her in the future.
Or wait it out till SF collapses and she'd return to GK anyway?

Death is NOT the only option available.
 
Trying to save Benelli on our own is a straight up death sentence. The best we can do in terms of saving what is left of her digimind is to leave her to G&K.
Yes, it is perhaps cruel to the shotgun and potentially dangerous to the base. Yes, it would be very convenient for the Commander to blame everything on corrupted Benelli. And yes, it is very much a false hope that we'll see her again. Still, that beats simply ending her misery or trying to do anything with her core.
 
If we take her core, we are NOT going to try to do anything with it here and now. We are not equipped to do so safely. That said, taking it back to base would solve that. G&K most certainly DOES have the equipment to observe it safely behind all necessary quarantines.

This is assuming though that @Lurkman is having parapluie be a SOFTWARE ONLY virus, instead of the combination of software virus and hardware nanites that I observed some time ago in this thread that cannon makes it. If it is the cannon nanite virus, then we are already infected just by touching Beneli, and this whole discussion is moot. I think it's reasonable to assume that that's not the case in this universe, right @Lurkman?

Anyhow, unless otherwise told, I'll assume it's software only, and vote accordingly. After all, there's no point in even trying to be cautious anymore if it isn't.

Also note: in cannon, highly advanced t-dolls like the AR Team (and obviously our little V) are able to resist parapluie. They are always affected and/or handicapped in some way, but they are able to resist complete domination and/or rewriting of loyalties. AR15 winds up with her mind still her own, but with her original prime directive destroyed, and unable to use dummies or other high-level zenner network functions. We find out in Isomer that even M16, by her own report when asked by M4A1, could resist it and leave SF, but is staying with them for her own reasons. Her prime directive of protecting M4A1 is even still intact apparently.

Dolls with less powerful/advanced neural clouds/cores get completely dominated though, as seen in one of the emergency chapters when IWS 2000 has to shoot AUG after AUG gets infected from interfacing with a Sangvis terminal.

Thus, assuming we don't have to worry about techno-germs, I vote we outline our plan to Benelli of attempting to save her and learn about parapluie by sifting through her code under quarantine if we can get her back to base before her core's reserve power runs out. We assure her that we WILL make sure not to do anything with her core that would allow the virus to spread. If she gives the go-ahead, we make the attempt. If not, we grant her wish and end her.

Besides, this way we get to say that we at least tried, and @Lurkman can still have his dramatic death scenario if he wants it by making it not work for one or both of the dolls we are trying to rescue.

"Shhh! That's supposed to be a secret!" hushed Tiss, pressing a finger against her lips "You'll have to ask her about that when we find her."
[X] Write-in: "Right... if she's willing to talk about it that is."
"Please, Veresk…" she speaks, and you do not object "Please… take my wings. Those wings I was always too afraid… to see if I could fly… may you reach the sky with them. Thank you, teaching me… to follow my gut."
[X] Write-in: "Glad I could teach you something, Benelli, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. You might be able to keep your wings yet. Granted, it's a very slim chance, but there is a chance. Go as deep into hibernation as you can and release your core. We aren't equipped to do anything safely out here, but if we can get you back to base before your power reserves are drained, we'll have the equipment to see if we can help you from behind software and hardware quarantines. I promise not to do anything with your core that would risk the virus spreading, and even if we can't save you, we would almost certainly learn valuable information about the virus to help counter it in the future. Are you willing to do this? If not, I'll grant your wish and end you, as much as it pains me, but I'd be grateful if you'd let me at least make the attempt."

[X] Write-in: "... It's up to you Benelli. Should I shoot, or should I pull?"
 
You all are talking like doctors and scientists don't investigate dangerous stuff all the time.

That's what precautions are for. I see also a lot of people decided not to read my earlier posts as I was discussing it. Of course we won't be interfacing with her core, that's fucking stupid, we use a laptop or computer with the communication equipment and anyway to get out torn apart and read through it from behind a screen.

I said this more than once.

There are more than a few safety protocols we could make as well. Make her core meltdown or have a hard lockdown if she connects to a computer that doesn't enter a specific code in microseconds of being plugged in, I.E. a computer programmed by us to interact with her.

I'm not sure if that's something we might need to ask her to do know, but she might not have the permissions to change her own safety code and core protections. There might be a SF terminal around here we can rip out to do that real quick, we are in an SF base.
 
The thing is, we don't have our own laptop or other such gadget with us, and we don't know Sangvis systems well enough to use them effectively for such a delicate operation. That's why I say we need to try and get her core back to base, where we'll have allied gear that we can safely and expertly use to its full capacity.

Heck, we already know that advanced hacking gear is already being shipped to the base (originally to deal with us). This could be a chance to put it to better use.
 
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Also note: in cannon, highly advanced t-dolls like the AR Team (and obviously our little V) are able to resist parapluie. They are always affected and/or handicapped in some way, but they are able to resist complete domination and/or rewriting of loyalties. AR15 winds up with her mind still her own, but with her original prime directive destroyed, and unable to use dummies or other high-level zenner network functions. We find out in Isomer that even M16, by her own report when asked by M4A1, could resist it and leave SF, but is staying with them for her own reasons. Her prime directive of protecting M4A1 is even still intact apparently.
True, but that's metagaming.
 
True, but that's metagaming.
Perhaps, but metagaming or not, my voting plan still applies. That cannon observation doesn't really affect it. It's just an interesting related tidbit.

Lol, it occurs to me, if we are likely going to have access to advanced hacking gear when we get back to base, we may as well scoop up a doggo or two to bring back and hack/repair while we're at it. :grin:
One for us, and one for AA-12!
 
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Perhaps, but metagaming or not, my voting plan still applies. That cannon observation doesn't really affect it. It's just an interesting related tidbit.

Lol, it occurs to me, if we are likely going to have access to advanced hacking gear when we get back to base, we may as well scoop up a doggo or two to bring back and hack/repair while we're at it. :grin:
One for us, and one for AA-12!
Ehhh. With the Commander in question, staying any longer at the base beyond getting AA-12, dropping off Tiss (and hopefully M82A1 if she hasn't been Parapluie'd as well) and booking it is inadvisable imo.
 
Ehhh. With the Commander in question, staying any longer at the base beyond getting AA-12, dropping off Tiss (and hopefully M82A1 if she hasn't been Parapluie'd as well) and booking it is inadvisable imo.
Well, I doubt we'd do it ouselves in person. All interactions with the base are probably going to have to be through Groza at this point. If we show up in person, the commander is likely to try something stupid. Again.
 
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This is assuming though that @Lurkman is having parapluie be a SOFTWARE ONLY virus, instead of the combination of software virus and hardware nanites that I observed some time ago in this thread that cannon makes it. If it is the cannon nanite virus, then we are already infected just by touching Beneli, and this whole discussion is moot. I think it's reasonable to assume that that's not the case in this universe, right @Lurkman?
Indeed, it is software only. If it were the nanite version, Benelli would've likely warned them. Besides, the nanites we observed in canon were only in a syringe, we never really saw them travel through air and infect others through touch. I believe it was simply an accelerated way of infecting the doll when she's injected with it. Either way, no nanites here.
Besides, this way we get to say that we at least tried, and @Lurkman can still have his dramatic death scenario if he wants it by making it not work for one or both of the dolls we are trying to rescue.
You know, all of this is making me consider adding the option of taking Benelli's core. Nothing beyond that though, not interfacing with it or doing anything immediately, just putting it into our pocket to perhaps do something with later, which is relatively safe as @ShadowAngelBeta already pointed out. However, I worry that everyone will just jump ship, thinking that this would be the "save her" option. It is at best a "try" option, which carries risks.

Anyway. We'll just have to see how the riot turns out. Even though your vote is slightly different in structure from ShadowAngelBeta's, I will count them towards the same vote, as they both suggest taking out the core, which is the main immediate concern.
 
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Knowing what we do about the virus from canon I'm not expecting to be able to save her, not at her stage in turning anyway. AR-15 would be a cripple if she wasn't exactly as good as she says she is.

At best I'm thinking this might give us a chance to either brace other dolls, so they know what to look for, and/or have a resistance like the AR team dolls that can be passed around.

I have more or less written Benelli off, doesn't mean she can't still help the others and... well, V doesn't know that. She hears "extremely dangerous and infectious virus" and I figure she'd be like, "Alright, let me take a crack at it (from behind several walls)."

I would like to save her, but I'm not expecting to.
 
However, I worry that everyone will just jump ship, thinking that this would be the "save her" option. It is at best a "try" option, which carries risks.
I frankly don't expect we'll be able to save Benelli at all, with how advanced the virus is already, but even some chance is better than none — and more importantly, it'll give Griffin a clear heads-up on SF's plan. It's probably still best to leave the examination of the virus to an expert like Persica though.

[X] Jade Isentry
 
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