Girl's Frontline: Wicked Animandum

ShadowAngelBeta · May 25, 2020

Jade Isentry said:
Groza hasn't given us reason to not trust her yet.

You're like the third or forth person to miss this and I'm not sure why.

Trusting Groza isn't actually the issue. If it was her I would say hit the detonator in a heartbeat.

But its not. The chances are too high that its a direct order from the commander that she can literally not disobey. That's what you're putting faith in here.

You're not saying you trust Groza here, you're saying you trust the chances this isn't an order from a commander who will happily throw our lives away without a second thought.

Jade Isentry · May 26, 2020

Izzzick said:
it's not so much trusting Groza it's not trusting if those orders are her own or what the commander has told her to do

ShadowAngelBeta said:
You're like the third or forth person to miss this and I'm not sure why.

Trusting Groza isn't actually the issue. If it was her I would say hit the detonator in a heartbeat.

No, I didn't miss it. Didn't you even read my post? I see I must repeat myself.

Jade Isentry said:
I also doubt she's doing this because of an order from higher up. The commander couldn't have foreseen this situation specifically enough to give a preemptive order for it beyond a general 'win at all costs'. And Groza would be smarter than to think she needs to use that last resort yet.

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kaazmiz said:
At lowest rate of fire that's 12 bullets every second. And 60 in 5 second.
That's more than just a "few holes", and the damned floating oero (and the one left behind) still contain high explosives.
Going MAD is not exactly in V's favor.

Again, I see I must repeat myself... and the GM.

Jade Isentry said:
We should still be able to power through it and move for a decent chance at not getting entombed. Ouro isn't in nearly so lucky a condition.

Lurkman said:
Should nothing get in her way, the leg will still carry her at a decent speed. A perk of pain not inhibiting your function is that you can power through your injuries, even if the stress makes them worse later.

Also move well enough to minimize what Ouro can hit us with before she gets fossilized.

ShadowAngelBeta · May 26, 2020

Jade Isentry said:
No, I didn't miss it. Didn't you even read my post? I see I must repeat myself.

The commander did say he was taking control of operations tonight.

And Groza was just in contact with us despite the jammer, so as far as I'm aware, yes, he could have just given her the order right now.

Jade Isentry · May 26, 2020

ShadowAngelBeta said:
And Groza was just in contact with us despite the jammer, so as far as I'm aware, yes, he could have just given her the order right now.

Groza didn't radio to us. She shouted. We also had to send SPP1 to get a message to squad 3. Chapters so far have thoroughly established that comms are not working right now. So if you see an inconsistency that says otherwise, use plot-hole-juice. Also, even if she had radioed us. That's extremely short-range coms. Literally across the street. Much easier (if possible at all) to power through with a strong signal than getting in touch with the commander.

Edit: We also know she shouted, not radioed, because Ouro heard her and is in on the conversation.

Izzzick · May 26, 2020

it doesn't feel like a plan Groza would make, before this, she had been very careful about how she has done things so far, this doesn't look like it's her plan.

also do we know where AA-12 is, because I don't think she's backed her self up, so if she dies here we could lose all progress that we have with her.

Jade Isentry · May 26, 2020

Izzzick said:
also do we know where AA-12 is, because I don't think she's backed her self up, so if she dies here we could lose all progress that we have with her.

That is a risk. I will readily concede. But again, as long as her core (which is the most protected part of a doll) doesn't get crushed, things should work out.

Izzzick · May 26, 2020

Jade Isentry said:
That is a risk. I will readily concede. But again, as long as her core (which is the most protected part of a doll) doesn't get crushed, things should work out.

if it runs out of power then its gone, unlike SOPMOD I doubt Veresk is that knowledgeable on how to deal with that

Jade Isentry · May 26, 2020

Izzzick said:
if it runs out of power then its gone, unlike SOPMOD I doubt Veresk is that knowledgeable on how to deal with that

Also considered. Also known from our adventures with SOP2, as well as UMP45's neural upgrade story, is that it DOES have a backup power supply built-in for just such emergencies. We would be betting that squad 3 and/or further griffin clean-up crews will show up in time before those reserves run out.

Edit: Also, we can't forget: the commander is actually our ally in this, even if he's a prick. With the jammer gone, he will be able to see what's going on and do his job, sending in help if needed. That could very well be Groza's goal here.

Jade Isentry · May 26, 2020

Haha, it also just occurred to me: Groza didn't know about the charges. If she knows now, then that means she has managed to link up with the Secret Weapon and learn about the Secret Explosives. Which could very well mean that she has had the chance to secretly get everyone into a position to make it worth activating the Secret Backup Plan and setting them off. :grin:

Izzzick · May 26, 2020

Jade Isentry said:
commander is actually our ally

Calling him an ally is a big stretch, and from what been shown of him so far, blowing up the objective even with his troops within the area sounds like something he would do. It's just something that I don't feel like we need to take the risk on.

With how close Ouroboros is to use, plus the danger from the building colapsing on us, I really don't want to be pushing our luck any further than we have already.

Jade Isentry · May 26, 2020

Izzzick said:
and from what been shown of him so far, blowing up the objective even with his troops within the area sounds like something he would do.

Maybe. First and foremost, he's a miser. T-Dolls are valuable resources. He wouldn't do that if he didn't need to, and he would certainly try to recover said resources afterward if it seemed doable.

kaazmiz · May 26, 2020

Jade Isentry said:
Again, I see I must repeat myself... and the GM.

And I must repeat myself.
V is on her back, with a stabbed leg, held down by a Ringleader, and a death ball of high ROF in her face.

She ain't running anywhere before becoming target practice. She wont get a chance to get up to run away even.

Jade Isentry said:
Also, we can't forget: the commander is actually our ally in this, even if he's a prick.

Now that's just wishful thinking.
He actively refused to assign resources to dolls to ensure their full functionality or even efficient operations in the field. That is not how allies act- unless you subscribe to murica or redland.

Jade Isentry said:
T-Dolls are valuable resources.

#Laughs in whole echelons left in the mountains to rot#

Izzzick · May 26, 2020

Lurkman said:
I'll be taking over operations for tonight."

"Sir?"

"Operations. I'll be taking them over. This line will stay on until tonight's mission is finished. Is that understandable input?"

Found this in chapter 63

Lurkman said:
A safeguard to assure the mission's success, perhaps.

so the commander is in charge of this mission so it is his orders to blow the explosives, as Kaazmiz said this commander does not care about the T-dolls under his command

Lurkman · May 26, 2020

Gosh, all this discussing and debating is so juicy~ I love it when you all try to consider every detail to make the right choice, especially when even after such careful consideration, results are still mixed.

As it stands right now it's 4 against 4 votes. Who will break first? Who will gain more favor? Will sudden death decide? THIS IS DELICIOUS!

There are a few tiny more details to see, some you may have gotten wrong, some that may not even matter, and maybe things turn out in ways we couldn't have known. Maybe this is the time for some of our previous votes to come to the rescue or rub salt into the wounds. Isn't questing just so much fun? 🍿

Just don't get mad if things don't turn out the way you expect them to. Have fun ^^'

Lunaloyalist · May 26, 2020

Been awhile since I last voted but here's how I see it.
Grozzy isn't jailbroken, Unfortnatly, so even though this'll probably backfire, here's the vote.

[X] "More enemies means more candy for you!"
[X] Don't set off the charges.

Jade Isentry · May 26, 2020

kaazmiz said:
And I must repeat myself.
V is on her back, with a stabbed leg, held down by a Ringleader, and a death ball of high ROF in her face.

She ain't running anywhere before becoming target practice. She wont get a chance to get up to run away even.

BS. This is easy. V is NOT held down, and point-blank range makes it easier to dodge a big floating wheel artillery piece. Not harder. Just a quick jerk to the side and you have the angle on it out of its line of fire. That's why we tried to get in close during past confrontations with Ouro.

kaazmiz said:
Now that's just wishful thinking.
He actively refused to assign resources to dolls to ensure their full functionality or even efficient operations in the field. That is not how allies act- unless you subscribe to murica or redland.

Wrong. He misered resources for optimization that he didn't think were strictly necessary. If it was absolutely needed? He provided. He cuts corners.

kaazmiz said:
#Laughs in whole echelons left in the mountains to rot#

Fact remains that he still needs to come and see about digging out what can be salvaged of the jammer. He's not going to turn down easy salvage when its right there in front of him where he needs to be anyway.
Such 'echelons left to rot' are always eagerly snatched up by commanders who run across them.

Izzzick · May 26, 2020

Lurkman said:
twin machine guns of her mechanical floating wheel are already locked onto you, almost too close to miss now.

she just doesn't have missiles, she has machine as well

kaazmiz · May 26, 2020

Jade Isentry said:
BS. This is easy. V is NOT held down, and point-blank range makes it easier to dodge a big floating wheel artillery piece.

Having an armed opponent standing above you is the definition of a hold up in my opinion.
The floating killbots are artillery AND high ROF smg's.

Again. She ain't dodging that.

Jade Isentry said:
Wrong.

Not Wrong. He refused to buy fucking shoes to a doll expected to do ground recon- on which she was sent to regularly, only because they didn't come with her set.
You'r definition of strictly necessary is about as close as a Soviet armorers in Stalingrad- Rifle not necessary!

Jade Isentry said:
Such 'echelons left to rot' are always eagerly snatched up by commanders who run across them.

In no way does that change the fact that they are as eagerly left behind.

Jade Isentry · May 26, 2020

Izzzick said:
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Found this in chapter 63
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so the commander is in charge of this mission so it is his orders to blow the explosives, as Kaazmiz said this commander does not care about the T-dolls under his command

*sigh* The Commanders orders regarding the com in the past before the mission started have nothing to do with the current state of the mission now due to factors beyond his control. We are NOT in contact with the commander right now. This order is NOT coming from him.

If anything, even if we were connected with him, he would be countermanding Groza's order to go boom, not verifying it. He specifically ordered her to capture the jammer intact if possible. He will probably be chewing her out after this for failing to deliver the optimal results he wanted.

Izzzick · May 26, 2020

we currently have machete stuck in our leg, we are in the danger zone of if the building goes down we could be caught in it which was stated if we wanted to get out of the area, we would need to start running as soon as we pressed the button. we also have an angry ringleader pointing her weapon at us in close range. it is basically suicide if we blow the charges and we don't have a back up like the rest of the squad so if we die its game over

Jade Isentry · May 26, 2020

kaazmiz said:
Having an armed opponent standing above you is the definition of a hold up in my opinion.
The floating killbots are artillery AND high ROF smg's.

Again. She ain't dodging that.

Yes she is. High ROF doesn't mean squat at short range without the maneuverability to back it up. Speaking from FPS experience here. You need GODDAMN high ROF to spray and pray at point blank. Like... gattling-gun/chain-gun levels of it. Even then, you're only going to manage to squirt a line of a few shots across a melee target that's refusing to hold still and constantly moving behind you.

If Ouro were holding an assault rifle to our heads/critical-components in her own two hands, that would be a different matter. But she's not. She has NOTHING but a big ass wheel who's maneuverability she is further limiting by leaning on it.

kaazmiz said:
Not Wrong. He refused to buy fucking shoes to a doll expected to do ground recon- on which she was sent to regularly, only because they didn't come with her set.
You'r definition of strictly necessary is about as close as a Soviet armorers in Stalingrad- Rifle not necessary!

Exactly. Shoes didn't come with her kit. Therefore in his mind, not necessary. She's just a doll. Who cares if her feet are sore? She can still do her job.
He still is REQUIRED by the company to provide ammo though, and he has to keep the repair bays running, etc. And he does.

kaazmiz said:
In no way does that change the fact that they are as eagerly left behind.

In no way does that change the fact that they are recovered when possible, and in this case it will be not only possible but likely. They get left behind when it's troublesome to do otherwise.

Izzzick · May 26, 2020

Jade Isentry said:
Yes she is. High ROF doesn't mean squat at short range without the maneuverability to back it up

but we don't currently have that mobility, we have a machete stuck in our leg

Lurkman said:
Maybe by the sharp pain in your thigh, caused by nothing else by a sharp blade. Out of a corner she lunged, sticking your own machete that you looted the other day deep into your synthetic flesh. Your momentum kept carrying you forward, tearing away her grip on it, but you couldn't exactly get far with a piece of metal inside of you. On your second step you stumbled forward and fell, meeting with the hard ground again.

Jade Isentry · May 26, 2020

Izzzick said:
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but we don't currently have that mobility, we have a machete stuck in our leg
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Lurkman said:
Should nothing get in her way, the leg will still carry her at a decent speed. A perk of pain not inhibiting your function is that you can power through your injuries, even if the stress makes them worse later.

It took us down initially because it took us by surprise. We can now override and power through.

Jade Isentry · May 26, 2020

What I can guarantee is that we will have to face the music if we betray Groza and the others by not setting things off when she needed us to. Haven't we learned our lesson yet about lying deceitful shenanigans? We can't 'just lie'. The need to cover things up always makes things more difficult later on, like it has with our mind-rape secrets of AA-12. Things have always turned out best when we were honest, like when we came clean about our adventures and about the existence of our non-griffin directive with Ots-14.

We DON'T want to spin ourselves tighter into our web of lies if we can possibly help it.

Smg1223 · May 26, 2020

[X] "More enemies means more candy for you!"
[X] Don't set off the charges.

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