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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Keep in mind that if we're there, we'll be able to focus everything on attacking and buffing with our runes, without need to worry about countering enemy magic, while the enemy has no magic. Two and a half +s vs a - on their side.

Thanks to the Silver Wyrm Banner.
 
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[X] [Battle] Join Otrek: You entrust your weapon's safety to the Huskarls and Master Runesmiths guarding it. You are no prodigious fighter, but your Runes and if need be, your axe, will be useful regardless. Otrek and the King of the Skies will need all the help they can get.
[X] [Thrower] The Retaliator: Use it, train it on Kholek, though it will mean it won't be firing at the other Dragon Ogres present, and must still hit Kholek. +70 to Hit on Kholek, you won't see these rolls but +35 killing Dragon Ogres.
 
What's the summoning-behind-our-backlines capability of the enemy? Someone brought it up and I'm not familiar enough WHF to know myself. Also, where would Retaliator be if we used it on Kholek? If it's far enough behind our front line, attacks on it might not be that big an issue, and I assume Reckoner can handle its own stealth.

If we go on the front lines, we're going to be in a lot of danger. I'm not entirely sure we're durable enough to face a daemonic army so soon after painting so large a target on ourselves.
 
June said:
What's the summoning-behind-our-backlines capability of the enemy? Someone brought it up and I'm not familiar enough WHF to know myself. Also, where would Retaliator be if we used it on Kholek? If it's far enough behind our front line, attacks on it might not be that big an issue, and I assume Reckoner can handle its own stealth.
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They haven't done it yet, and that doesn't necessarily mean they're waiting. After all, these are RUNED walls of Kraka Drakk, the Daemonward Combo is on our gate, and the Silver Wyrm Banner casts its aegis over us.

If we go on the front lines, we're going to be in a lot of danger. I'm not entirely sure we're durable enough to face a daemonic army so soon after painting so large a target on ourselves.
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We're not alone, you realize?
 
[X] [Battle] Join Otrek: You entrust your weapon's safety to the Huskarls and Master Runesmiths guarding it. You are no prodigious fighter, but your Runes and if need be, your axe, will be useful regardless. Otrek and the King of the Skies will need all the help they can get.
[X] [Thrower] The Retaliator: Use it, train it on Kholek, though it will mean it won't be firing at the other Dragon Ogres present, and must still hit Kholek. +70 to Hit on Kholek, you won't see these rolls but +35 killing Dragon Ogres.
 
[X] [Battle] Join Otrek: You entrust your weapon's safety to the Huskarls and Master Runesmiths guarding it. You are no prodigious fighter, but your Runes and if need be, your axe, will be useful regardless. Otrek and the King of the Skies will need all the help they can get.
[X] [Thrower] The Retaliator: Use it, train it on Kholek, though it will mean it won't be firing at the other Dragon Ogres present, and must still hit Kholek. +70 to Hit on Kholek, you won't see these rolls but +35 killing Dragon Ogres.

Honestly? I don't want King Birb to die. It's going to happen anyway because Kholek's a Named Chaos Character with all the Bullshit that brings, but a Schnee can dream!
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
They haven't done it yet, and that doesn't necessarily mean they're waiting. After all, these are RUNED walls of Kraka Drakk, the Daemonward Combo is on our gate, and the Silver Wyrm Banner casts its aegis over us.
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It also doesn't mean they can't do it. And I find even the chance of losing the Retaliator (or simply its crew being distracted by attackers) before it can fire a shot off to be too much of a risk. A very significant portion of our battle plan relies on it being able to get this shot off.

I'd accept joining the fight once the Dragon's Spite is fired, but not before.
 
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[X] [Battle] Join Otrek: You entrust your weapon's safety to the Huskarls and Master Runesmiths guarding it. You are no prodigious fighter, but your Runes and if need be, your axe, will be useful regardless. Otrek and the King of the Skies will need all the help they can get.
[X] [Thrower] The Retaliator: Use it, train it on Kholek, though it will mean it won't be firing at the other Dragon Ogres present, and must still hit Kholek. +70 to Hit on Kholek, you won't see these rolls but +35 killing Dragon Ogres.
Garlak said:
Tch. Damn. You know what would be really nice here? Besides an epic weapon with the Master Rune of Smiting of course, I mean. (Though if Trollslayer gets the effects of 2 Runes of Might on it despite only having 1, due to it being made by an ancient Runelord and being made at a time when the Winds of Magic blow so freely and strongly then maybe... Well. If not then at least it has the Rune of Impact on it.)

It would be really nice if we had a Master Rune of Breaking on an epic artifact; because that would be a way to potentially address one of the Suneater's assets. If we could break the Suncrusher of his. Of course it'd probably have needed to be made entirely out of Adamant. ... And potentially might even need to be a Gronti weapon (so, three bars of Adamant I think?) rather than a Dwarf's weapon. Buuuut. I sure wish we had something to counter that weapon of his.

Huh. You know... ... What do you guys think about making this a tradition? How many times have we done this in total now? Was it just once or more like two or three times before. There was the Underway, and before that there was... the outfitting of the Hold's warriors... and maybe the Foundry district was also such a collaboration, maybe. So that's 3 or 4 times in 2 centuries huh? Repetition, care, ritual, and prestige... is the birth of tradition, no? So why not make this a tradition.

A festival or Runemoot.

A once-or-twice-a-century thing, maybe. Depending on how dire the circumstance or situation. Or depending on if there's a need for it for the hold. For a decade, Runesmiths will more or less work towards a singular goal or to address a Hold-sized or Kingdom-sized problem.

Frequency of how often it'll happen will depend on the circumstances, and we'll need to be mindful of things, and allow for individuality and take-your-own-approach-to-this (instead just encouraging everybody to aim in roughly the same direction, rather than trying to get everybody to do the exact same thing) and so on, but... What do people think? If we can make it something the Runesmiths will look forward to, as something that celebrates the religious craft or brings them prestige, then -- it'd be a lot easier to do.

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... I wonder if this gift, this gem, was used to forge the Throne of Power?

The Ancestors Protect.

That... had a 70% chance of success for Hashut, so it wasn't exactly utterly shocking for it to fail and for the Dwarfs to succeed instead, it wasn't an impossible and unbelievable event... But the way it happened -- with a 1 versus a 100 -- was, indeed, shocking. o_O
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4.65%. That's the odds.
 
Bloody hell that was intense. @soulcake, I went into this thinking "it's going to be hard to write this situation suitably epically". And you just casually blow it out of the water. Kudos.

Garlak said:
That... had a 70% chance of success for Hashut, so it wasn't exactly utterly shocking for it to fail and for the Dwarfs to succeed instead, it wasn't an impossible and unbelievable event... But the way it happened -- with a 1 versus a 100 -- was, indeed, shocking. o_O
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I don't think that's quite how the math works.

So, our max roll was 130. That means there were 29 possible rolls Hashtut could have made that would have lost. If we rolled 1 less than that, 28 rolls and so on. 29+28+27....etc, equals 435. 2d100 have 10,000 possible combinations of rolls. So, divide both by 100, and you get 4.35 out of 100. 4.35%

If I have this right, and I fully admit I may have bungled it somewhere, we had less than a 5% chance to save the chaos dwarves. We needed better than a natural 20 and we got it.

Garlak said:
A festival or Runemoot.

A once-or-twice-a-century thing, maybe. Depending on how dire the circumstance or situation. Or depending on if there's a need for it for the hold. For a decade, Runesmiths will more or less work towards a singular goal or to address a Hold-sized or Kingdom-sized problem.
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newgman said:
That does sound like a pretty interesting idea! Though I'm not sure how we'd go about making it into a tradition. More attempts like the ones you listed?
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WE MUST DO THIS. This is what we burn that massive stockpile of favours we have with the King on. Have him throw his support behind it. Hell, bring in other holds! This might even get the damned stubborn dwarves to share some runes! Imagine the progress dwarfkind could make if they didn't have to manually discover each rune their master didn't know!

Now. The vote.

I just...I don't know. So ridiculously much on the line. I think that if we asked Otrek, he'd say, make sure the bolt hits. At any cost. And he is wearing adamant armour.

But I want all three of them to survive! What if fricking Yorri dies now, of all times!

Errrrrrgh.

Evil. You are evil, @soulcake!

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Edit: Dammit, ninja'd. :p
 
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[X] [Battle] Stay by the Bolt Thrower
[X] [Thrower] The Retaliator

I want to stay by the bolt thrower until it is fired then we Join our king in his fight.
 
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[X] [Thrower] The Retaliator: Use it, train it on Kholek, though it will mean it won't be firing at the other Dragon Ogres present, and must still hit Kholek. +70 to Hit on Kholek, you won't see these rolls but +35 killing Dragon Ogres.

[X] [Battle] Stay by the Bolt Thrower
 
[X] [Battle] Join Otrek: You entrust your weapon's safety to the Huskarls and Master Runesmiths guarding it. You are no prodigious fighter, but your Runes and if need be, your axe, will be useful regardless. Otrek and the King of the Skies will need all the help they can get.
[X] [Thrower] The Retaliator: Use it, train it on Kholek, though it will mean it won't be firing at the other Dragon Ogres present, and must still hit Kholek. +70 to Hit on Kholek, you won't see these rolls but +35 killing Dragon Ogres.

I'm changing my vote, because this is a single bolt which we haven't previously revealed. I don't think chaos would know about it before firing without scrying, and the bolt has spent its entire existence either in a Runelord's personal sanctum or being rushed out under a legendary magic shield. Detecting something in eitheir of those positions would be rather difficult.
 
Even if they do try and get at the Retaliator, how would they? The Griffons have the skies and we still have plenty of aerial defense vis a vis crossbows and normal bolt throwers. They almost certainly can't port in, between the Runes on the walls, the Silver Wyrm Banner, and Master Runesmiths around it for dispel duty for some reason porting doesn't count as magic(and why wouldn't it?)

That leaves a conventional assault, which would have to get past the defenses in front of the thrower, the throng, King Otrek, and us. And if it's a Daemon they're going to be burning.

And if they somehow get there, Master Runesmiths and Gromril rune-inscribed elite warriors await them, with no magic to assist in an attack.
 
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[X] [Battle] Join Otrek: You entrust your weapon's safety to the Huskarls and Master Runesmiths guarding it. You are no prodigious fighter, but your Runes and if need be, your axe, will be useful regardless. Otrek and the King of the Skies will need all the help they can get.
[X] [Thrower] The Retaliator: Use it, train it on Kholek, though it will mean it won't be firing at the other Dragon Ogres present, and must still hit Kholek. +70 to Hit on Kholek, you won't see these rolls but +35 killing Dragon Ogres.

If you make a weapon to specifically help kill something when given the opportunity to use it, use it.

As for the fight itself...it's risky, Snorri really isn't the greatest warrior, at least as I'm aware, but he was good enough to rip his way through all those demons and trolls all by himself before and if the Greedy One wasn't literally turning into a greater demon (and growing stronger for it) at the tail of the battle while Snorri was getting tired from killing so many demons and trolls and being beaten up all the while he might have been put down. Actually, put like that, yeah, I think we can help out with Kholek. Plus, we'll likely get to team up with Yorri for double Runelord action.
 
A little behind, but if we join Otrek could we be described as "joining" his "army" in such a way that it procs Hearth and Home's [Unbreakable] and [Untiring] effects for the party battling Kholek?
 
[X] [Battle] Join Otrek: You entrust your weapon's safety to the Huskarls and Master Runesmiths guarding it. You are no prodigious fighter, but your Runes and if need be, your axe, will be useful regardless. Otrek and the King of the Skies will need all the help they can get.
[X] [Thrower] The Retaliator: Use it, train it on Kholek, though it will mean it won't be firing at the other Dragon Ogres present, and must still hit Kholek. +70 to Hit on Kholek, you won't see these rolls but +35 killing Dragon Ogres.
 
By the way, could someone give me the cliffsnotes version of what's going on with Grimnir and the ancestors right now? They were planning on leaving, for some reason? Is Grimnir coming north canon or a butterfly?
 
June said:
I assume daemons are aware of this concept called prioritization. If so, we're probably near the top, right under the King of the Skies, the Ancestors, and the other very big names.
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We're not a very big name.

Maybe a big name, but not on that tier.

Besides, if they are keen to kill us, that means they'd pay just as much attention to a bolt thrower their target was suspiciously standing near.

BelligerentGnu said:
By the way, could someone give me the cliffsnotes version of what's going on with Grimnir and the ancestors right now? They were planning on leaving, for some reason? Is Grimnir coming north canon or a butterfly?
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After Caledor and Grimnir share their knowledge of the war, Caledor discerned that there was a portal in the north from which the daemons were emerging. Grimnir, realizing that his race couldn't win this war of attrition, even if he personally won every battle he fought, decided (against his siblings' protests) to head north and close the portal.

It's canon, Yes. Morgrim went with him for a time, until Grimnir bid him return with one of his father's axes.
 
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[X] [Battle] Join Otrek: You entrust your weapon's safety to the Huskarls and Master Runesmiths guarding it. You are no prodigious fighter, but your Runes and if need be, your axe, will be useful regardless. Otrek and the King of the Skies will need all the help they can get.
[X] [Thrower] The Retaliator: Use it, train it on Kholek, though it will mean it won't be firing at the other Dragon Ogres present, and must still hit Kholek. +70 to Hit on Kholek, you won't see these rolls but +35 killing Dragon Ogres.
 
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