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Another thing is that we don't know how long it's been since chakra was created. It may have been tens of thousands of years or more, but from the sound of it it hasn't been that long.Evolution (usually) works on the scale of millions of years. Humansdon't reproduce that fast, so we won't generally get evolution on a dozen to hundred year time frame the way we can see in insects and bacteria.
The Leaf calendar is based off the year of the Sage's birth. It's currently 1069 AS (After Sage).
 
Since ninja/ninja pairings seem to always produce ninja, it sounds like the gene for having good chakra reserves may be recessive? It would be a pain if there were multiple genes involved. It would be nice to have a bunch of ninja/civilian pairings to analyze, but maybe that'll happen more once uplift starts picking up more steam and ninja start treating civilians more equally.

Prep for pain, because it's almost certainly much more complex than a single gene. Most things in genetics are.

Assuming it's a matter of genetics solely, rather than say... ambient chakra exposure while in utero combined with genetics. (What do female-ninja, male civilian pairings look like, eh?)
 
The Leaf calendar is based off the year of the Sage's birth. It's currently 1069 AS (After Sage).
So definitely not likely to be enough time for evolution to occur with human lifespans.

Good catch! So that's one data point. A ninja/civilian pairing created a ninja. It's possible that his mom had one allele and he got it. We need more data points though to see what the ratio of ninja to civilian births are in such pairings.

Prep for pain, because it's almost certainly much more complex than a single gene. Most things in genetics are.

Assuming it's a matter of genetics solely, rather than say... ambient chakra exposure while in utero combined with genetics. (What do female-ninja, male civilian pairings look like, eh?)
I can hope though. :thonk:
 
Good catch! So that's one data point. A ninja/civilian pairing created a ninja. It's possible that his mom had one allele and he got it. We need more data points though to see what the ratio of ninja to civilian births are in such pairings.

Pretty sure all humans can be ninja, genetics/biology probably just dictates how easy it is.

Also Oro called chakra "life force", I am curious what he thinks/knows (I mean, you need it to live, but still interesting that he mentioned it like that):
"You will assist me with my research," Orochimaru agreed. "The Iron Nerve is much more valuable now that Leaf is lacking in Uchiha, and the Vampiric Dew's potential for storing life force outside the body is nothing short of fascinating. We begin tomorrow morning—I suggest you select a new clan head with all due haste."
 
I confess, I'm not actually all that interested in the sanitation part of the plans. In part because the canon shows the Elemental Nations going from quasi-medieval technology
to relatively modern within a few decades (so they'll get there eventually, with or without our help) but also because it strikes me as playing too close to realism for me to really get into it. When reading Eragon, Harry Potter, Mistborn, etc., most readers/authors don't mention the nitty-gritty details of how sanitation works unless it's relevant to the plot or influences the central themes of the story (fucking J.K. Rowling). In Eragon, for example, most everyone would be shitting in buckets and dying of disease before they reached thirty. But that's not exactly conducive towards immersive storytelling (realism vs immersion debate) so most authors don't bother.

But my general apathy towards this new sanitation direction isn't all that strong. I'm willing to be proven wrong and I'm cautiously interested to see how it's implemented, story-wise. Sorry if this is me being a downer! I'm not trying to rain on your parade! I'd just sorta assumed --in the back of my mind --that there was some basic level of sanitation (baths/toilets) for ninja, since refrigerators existed in canon around this time and because MfD's Orochimaru had ready access to pipes and running water. I'd just kinda assumed it was a "perks of being a ninja or a particularly wealthy merchant" thing. Or, perhaps a "perks of jonin ninja" thing, where the costs were so prohibitively expensive that only the wealthy elite could afford it. So this sudden interest is, for me, coming out of nowhere and it has me a little bemused. I hope that explains my opinion.

Again, not trying to diminish anyone's enjoyment over a good civilization-warping, societal changing, technological advancement! I'll still delve into discussions on the topic and vote for plans that contain engineering stuff. It's just not my main interest, so my contributions towards this particular thing may be a bit... lackluster, as far as general hivemind discussions go.
When it comes to canon Naruto technology, I have two examples which I feel illustrate the matter quite well. Firstly, the EN simultaneously uses messenger birds and real-time satellite uplink for international communication. Second, Leaf has wireless headsets, and they appear exactly twice: in the first arc when Team Kakashi are trying to catch a cat, and in Shippūden when Team Gai have to remove the 5SB support seals at the same time from different locations in order to be able to get into the Akatsuki cave hideout. The rest of the time, it's down to hand signals or shouting.
a bit late but found the quest through a guy on the threads of destiny quest recommended to me after reaching the latest chapter.

currently my second quest reading and it's got me hooked so far
Welcome! Glad you're enjoying it.
Good point! They're twins too. Still, that seems to be pretty rare.
Strictly speaking, they claim to be twins. The two-year age gap claims otherwise.
 
By the way, now that we have Jiraiya information, do we also know the various codes he used? Because maybe we finally know what Jiraya meant with the mysterious "Category 44"(If i recall correctly this was how he described Hazou).
 
By the way, now that we have Jiraiya information, do we also know the various codes he used? Because maybe we finally know what Jiraya meant with the mysterious "Category 44"(If i recall correctly this was how he described Hazou).

I think it's just a way for villages to sort ninja personality types, though the names and details likely vary from village to village. Back in the "missing nin days," Mari laughed and scorned Mist for so drastically mislabeling Hazou.
 
Just a thought but we could have Hazō go ahead and start summoning training now so that when the contest ends we are almost already to sign it
 
Due to reasons, this Thursday update will be written by @eaglejarl, and may or may not feature forbidden lore.
Also note that I'm not going to be able to start working on it until about 7pm tonight and I may need more time than I'll have. In that case it won't be out until late on Friday.

As to the plan:

  • Summoning Scrolls
    • River (Kangaroo): Blah blah names descriptions contacts blah blah ally of Leaf so reasonably good information blah blah
    • Fang/Mountain (Otter): "It's a fuckin-- er. It's a desert. Flat and hard enough that you can generally get a wagon through, but not too many places worth going. Biggest problems are water and navigating since everything looks the fucking same. And yes, I'm the only person you're likely to find in Leaf who knows anything about the place and I've got nothing more of use. What's that? How do I know I've got nothing more of use? Because we just spent twenty minutes talking and aside from what's above my only answer was 'I don't know' and I feel extremely confident that there is no point in further discussion. Like, extremely confident."
    • Neck (Squirrel): 404 information not found
    • Lightning (Kraken): Yakuza contacts (thank you, Jiraiya's notes), blah blah merchant names and locations, very basic map, blah blah
    • Todoroki Shrine (Porcupine): Blah blah name of head monk blah blah general description of area blah blah Jiraiya's 2 spies (chambermaid and mid-level monk)
  • Engineering
    • Done
  • Hang out with Noda
    • "Fuck off."
  • Ami style training: Next item is 'Teach Lee basic social skills.' You try, it makes no appreciable impact, it's not worth XP.
  • Get updated on Ebisu's training of KEI ninja: Probably the subject of the update. If not, I'll give you a teal deer when I post.

Voting is open. It ends at 9am this Saturday (Feb 15, 2020)
 
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Also note that I'm not going to be able to start working on it until about 7pm tonight and I may need more time than I'll have. In that case it won't be out until late on Friday.

As to the plan:

  • Summoning Scrolls
    • River (Kangaroo): Blah blah names descriptions contacts blah blah ally of Leaf so reasonably good information blah blah
    • Fang/Mountain (Otter): "It's a fuckin-- er. It's a desert. Flat and hard enough that you can generally get a wagon through, but not too many places worth going. Biggest problems are water and navigating since everything looks the fucking same. And yes, I'm the only person you're likely to find in Leaf who knows anything about the place and I've got nothing more of use. What's that? How do I know I've got nothing more of use? Because we just spent twenty minutes talking and aside from what's above my only answer was 'I don't know' and I feel extremely confident that there is no point in further discussion. Like, extremely confident."
    • Neck (Squirrel): 404 information not found
    • Lightning (Kraken): Yakuza contacts (thank you, Jiraiy's notes), blah blah merchant names and locations, very basic map, blah blah
    • Todoroki Shrine (Porcupine): Blah blah name of head monk blah blah general description of area blah blah Jiraiya's 2 spies (chambermaid and mid-level monk)
  • Engineering
    • Done
  • Hang out with Noda
    • "Fuck off."
  • Ami style training: Next item is 'Teach Lee basic social skills.' You try, it makes no appreciable impact, it's not worth XP.
  • Get updated on Ebisu's training of KEI ninja: Probably the subject of the update. If not, I'll give you a teal deer when I post.

Voting is open. It ends at 9am this Saturday (Feb 15, 2020)
How long did doing all this take?
 
Ops, a incomplete plan was sent, eliminated.
This said,regarding Noda we have two possibilities, push hard to help her, ignoring adoption(regardless of the outcome as far as adoption goes), or leave her alone, in my opinion.
 
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might turn this Into a full plan later. Not sure what else we wanna do in this one

[X] Action plan: no I'm not possessed by creatures from another dimension
  • plan should take one week.

  • Sealing
    • Hazō would like to get cleared to do sealing research
      • He's successfully negotiated with clan heads and the Hokage
      • He hasn't shown any signs of out possession
      • What can he do to test this
    • If cleared start work on next version of casino seals
  • Tsunade
    • We're gonna pay her a lotof fucking money and get her to talk to us.
      • Five million is because we support her organization's mission.
      • Another five million is because we have an outstanding debt from Jiraiya that the Goketsu Clan owes her.
      • The third five million is to talk.
        • We want to know what we should do to make our estate less disease-prone.
        • We want to know how to interact with Orochimaru
        • We've got leads on some Summoning Scrolls. Can she help us?
  • Socials
    • Schedule a double date with Hazō/Ino and Noburi/Yuno
 
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Hadn't figure out what I want to do WRT politics.

We could push public schooling, but public schooling will affect everyone, and everyone will care. MC might be opposed due to the scribe guild's fear of losing businesses.

We could try to reform education and back Ebisu, but this will involves the egos of teachers, who may not like the idea so much.

[X] Action Plan: Research and Development and Maybe Politics

Check with clan as usual. Proposed time is one week:

Public schooling
  • Proposal: Public school for civilians not Goketsu.
  • Mari: Talk to the MC. Gather their opinion and objections.
    • Maybe the scribe guild don't like their customers becoming literate?

Sealing:
  • Ask clan to clear him for sealing research, including any testing he needs to do.
  • Hadn't show OOC behaviors and didn't screwed up in front of clan heads/hokages.
  • Resume work on Chakdar once approved.
Engineering:
  • Recommend scale model to quickly test ideas for all projects.
  • Aqueduct: Map sources of water and rate by:
    • Cost of construction and difficulty.
    • Cleanness and tastes.
Misc:
  • Storage Bank: Talk to restaurants about precooked meals and discounts for bulk storage of meals.
  • Social: Invite Ino to another date.
  • Ami-style training with Chakra limits for shadow clone.
 
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On the other hand, I wonder how many ninja Jiraiya has fathered...

e: Actually, hey, @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Keeping track of whom he's fucked for future reference as to empowering Konoha totally sounds like a thing that might be in Jiraiya's notes.

Entirely coincidentally this gives us a bunch of minions that we can have as part of our clan without eating adoption tokens.

e2: Minions that we can send to do cool things and punch people without worrying about the quest ending, even.
Hey @eaglejarl we wouldn't mind this being the focus for an update, I'm sure. Would anyone else mind it?
 
Hey @Dictator4Hire i have Hazō dating Ino in my plan if you wanna take a look at it


might turn this Into a full plan later. Not sure what else we wanna do in this one

[X] Action plan: no I'm not possessed by creatures from another dimension
  • plan should take one week.

  • Sealing
    • Hazō would like to get cleared to do sealing research
      • He's successfully negotiated with clan heads and the Hokage
      • He hasn't shown any signs of out possession
      • What can he do to test this
    • If cleared start work on next version of casino seals
  • Tsunade
    • We're gonna pay her a lotof fucking money and get her to talk to us.
      • Five million is because we support her organization's mission.
      • Another five million is because we have an outstanding debt from Jiraiya that the Goketsu Clan owes her.
      • The third five million is to talk.
        • We want to know what we should do to make our estate less disease-prone.
        • We want to know how to interact with Orochimaru
        • We've got leads on some Summoning Scrolls. Can she help us?
  • Socials
    • Schedule a double date with Hazō/Ino and Noburi/Yuno
 
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