- Location
- Mexico
But he said Chaos God possesion, i am not worried about those (anymore), but about more traditional Divine entities.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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It could help her understand books or discussion on magic in that language, but Mathilde casts spells in lingua praestantia.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
I just want to say something since people seem to be treating Polyot like trash. I don't think that's the case at all since if we really want to abuse the Nightprowler side of the Coin in causing chaos for our enemies we're going to need to be able to speak Greenskin and Skaven to really cause mini-civil wars and/or learn important info easier.
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- He/Him
Maybe if we were going to be the Steward, yeah, but it's value drops significantly otherwise.
[X] Plan Role Model for the Younglings
[X] Take an active hand in the EIC
[X] Avatar: You're growing worryingly familiar with being used as a conduit by deities. ???
[X] Disdain for Sigmar > Polytheist: Your bitterness towards Sigmar has softened with time and distance. You're still not thrilled with him, but as long as his followers are coexisting with those of other Gods, you can deal with it. +1 Piety, removes anti-Sigmarite penalty except when dealing with Sigmarite supremacists and monotheists.
[X] Keep it anyway - you might need to encourage allies at some point.
[X] Take an active hand in the EIC
[X] Avatar: You're growing worryingly familiar with being used as a conduit by deities. ???
[X] Disdain for Sigmar > Polytheist: Your bitterness towards Sigmar has softened with time and distance. You're still not thrilled with him, but as long as his followers are coexisting with those of other Gods, you can deal with it. +1 Piety, removes anti-Sigmarite penalty except when dealing with Sigmarite supremacists and monotheists.
[X] Keep it anyway - you might need to encourage allies at some point.
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Because if people are keeping it I want to know whether they want Mathilde to be wandering around with it around her neck or kept somewhere in her 'to research' pile.
[X] Amber waves of Golden Jade
-[X] Recruit Esbern and Seija
-[X] Recruit Panoramia
-[X] Recruit Maximilian
[X] Take an active hand in the EIC
[X] Collegiate: They say managing Wizards is like herding cats. Herding cats isn't actually that difficult. Can manage three other wizards per action spent.
[X] Infiltrator: Nobody seems to guard anything well enough to keep you out. +2 Intrigue, +10 bonus to infiltration.
[X] Disdain for Sigmar > Polytheist: Your bitterness towards Sigmar has softened with time and distance. You're still not thrilled with him, but as long as his followers are coexisting with those of other Gods, you can deal with it. +1 Piety, removes anti-Sigmarite penalty except when dealing with Sigmarite supremacists and monotheists.
[X] Magical Duellist: Anyone unwise enough to try to cast spells you don't want them to will quickly regret it. +2 Learning, +10 bonus to dispelling and inducing miscasts.
[X] Wolf Familiar > Winter Wolf Familiar: Turns out Wolf is a late bloomer. Wolf will grow large enough to ride upon.
[X] Donate it to the Winter Wolves of Ulrikadrin.
- Making effort to keep the Amber and Jade wizards, as the update mentioned Maxie highly likely to stick around on his own. The agricultural efforts/research of Panoramia should greatly benefit the growing Karak, and there's loads of wild areas around it full of dangerous stuff that Esbern and Seija would be great to help keep an eye on. :EDIT: Added Maxie due to GM information that the Ambers are mechanically one for this.
- Active EIC to further help ensure that nothing bad happens as a result of this new economic juggernaut. I'd like to see the profits from Mathildes share reinvested into either the fief, Stirland as a whole, or the Empire in general (profits after the Grey tithe, of course)
- Only trait I have strong feelings over the others is Collegiate, and that only because of wanting to recruit three wizards and not eat up too much action economy (so if less wizards, then Collegiate can go in the dumpster).
- Torc to the Wolves because I can't get the image out of my head of their leader using it during a charge into enemy lines; buffing themselves and debuffing their opponents at the same time right before getting into it (also fire being at least somewhat thematic for them. Flame of Ulric, and whatnot). I am, however, not averse to it going to the Undumgi.
-[X] Recruit Esbern and Seija
-[X] Recruit Panoramia
-[X] Recruit Maximilian
[X] Take an active hand in the EIC
[X] Collegiate: They say managing Wizards is like herding cats. Herding cats isn't actually that difficult. Can manage three other wizards per action spent.
[X] Infiltrator: Nobody seems to guard anything well enough to keep you out. +2 Intrigue, +10 bonus to infiltration.
[X] Disdain for Sigmar > Polytheist: Your bitterness towards Sigmar has softened with time and distance. You're still not thrilled with him, but as long as his followers are coexisting with those of other Gods, you can deal with it. +1 Piety, removes anti-Sigmarite penalty except when dealing with Sigmarite supremacists and monotheists.
[X] Magical Duellist: Anyone unwise enough to try to cast spells you don't want them to will quickly regret it. +2 Learning, +10 bonus to dispelling and inducing miscasts.
[X] Wolf Familiar > Winter Wolf Familiar: Turns out Wolf is a late bloomer. Wolf will grow large enough to ride upon.
[X] Donate it to the Winter Wolves of Ulrikadrin.
- Making effort to keep the Amber and Jade wizards, as the update mentioned Maxie highly likely to stick around on his own. The agricultural efforts/research of Panoramia should greatly benefit the growing Karak, and there's loads of wild areas around it full of dangerous stuff that Esbern and Seija would be great to help keep an eye on. :EDIT: Added Maxie due to GM information that the Ambers are mechanically one for this.
- Active EIC to further help ensure that nothing bad happens as a result of this new economic juggernaut. I'd like to see the profits from Mathildes share reinvested into either the fief, Stirland as a whole, or the Empire in general (profits after the Grey tithe, of course)
- Only trait I have strong feelings over the others is Collegiate, and that only because of wanting to recruit three wizards and not eat up too much action economy (so if less wizards, then Collegiate can go in the dumpster).
- Torc to the Wolves because I can't get the image out of my head of their leader using it during a charge into enemy lines; buffing themselves and debuffing their opponents at the same time right before getting into it (also fire being at least somewhat thematic for them. Flame of Ulric, and whatnot). I am, however, not averse to it going to the Undumgi.
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- Location
- Mexico
Lets not make this personal, i was just arguing in the same way i read your post, if i misunderstood your point i am sorry, i just don't think its fair to entirely dismiss the point i raise when we both are working on circumstancial evidence.
The evidence is there, is true, but its not conclusive, i admit the truth may be that the trait is entirely positive and i am wrong, but so far i have seen no evidence that it wont make us vulnerable to other gods (Excluding chaos) as well.
- Location
- some computer lab
I am going to vote for it because I assume it would make wolf better at writing essays
[X] Avatar: You're growing worryingly familiar with being used as a conduit by deities. ???
[X] Disdain for Sigmar > Polytheist: Your bitterness towards Sigmar has softened with time and distance. You're still not thrilled with him, but as long as his followers are coexisting with those of other Gods, you can deal with it. +1 Piety, removes anti-Sigmarite penalty except when dealing with Sigmarite supremacists and monotheists.
[X] Disdain for Sigmar > Polytheist: Your bitterness towards Sigmar has softened with time and distance. You're still not thrilled with him, but as long as his followers are coexisting with those of other Gods, you can deal with it. +1 Piety, removes anti-Sigmarite penalty except when dealing with Sigmarite supremacists and monotheists.
Unfortunately, it looks like she'd have to dial back her top speed for it to work without Winter Wolf, which isn't anywhere near the top of the tally (for now). Even with the item.
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- He/Him
Giant Wolves already have Fear @Pi In The Sky
And I'm surprised Windsage doesn't have even more, it's perfect for us.
And I'm surprised Windsage doesn't have even more, it's perfect for us.
- Location
- Australia
As a Court Wizard? Polyglot to a scholarly position has even more clearcut advantages. Not having to rely on translations of treatises and reading it in the original is a pretty powerful aid.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Fair enough, the way it's laid out in the 2e RP makes it seem like Praestantia is used as training wheels by the apprentices and journey men whilst Magisters and Wizard Lords use it(anoqeyan) later on. Especially with Realms of Sorcery talking about how Eltharin is a less complicated derivation of Anoqeyan and Praestania being the same to Eltharin given the importance it stresses on linguistic accuracy when it comes to spells I figured it might be relevant.
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- They/It
My main reason for voting on Wolf to GET HUGE, aside from More Doggo to love, is the street cred he'd earn us with our Ulrican neighbors. 
Radical Sway
Space Cowboy
- Location
- The Bebop
Polyglot is one of those things that could randomly become useful in any situation we stumble into honestly. Who knows what we will find or who we will meet in the future. Probably not as immediately a benefit though
DarkLight140
Credit to Team
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- Lost in my thoughts
All right, option analysis time.
I'm inclined to drop Esbern and Seija right off. They have life plans that don't involve the Karak already, and while the spiders are a fun project there isn't a ton of beast-related stuff for them to do around here. We could find things for them to do- start capturing and raising monstrous mounts or helping the halflings/Ulrikadrin with herding domestic animals, for example- but I don't think those are necessary or, frankly, worth our half-action-slot.
Panoramia is in the interesting position of being someone that we don't need to recruit because she's already going to be working here, doing exactly what she would be doing if we recruited her- optimizing farming, maybe periodically seeking out new plants to grow, and generally making the agriculture of the Karak prosper. This means that actually running her activities may end up feeling like a wasted half-action every turn because we know that we're giving her orders she doesn't even need. On the other hand, claiming her under the authority of Court Wizard now sets a firm precedent that wizards doing regular work for the Karak are under the authority of the Court Wizard, which could be useful, and it gives us an excuse to interact with her socially on a regular basis and call on her for things that aren't agriculture.
Maximilian is going to get wrapped up in his own studies and never do anything useful unless we drag him out to do it. We'd better take him on and leave him to do his own work in the action slots he doesn't need to follow orders (the orders will involve writing our papers for us).
Johann is annoying and I don't want to take him on, because he's gone off to do his own investigations and joined the Expedition under a false rank in the first place. But a personal distaste is no excuse for not doing our job. Do we want ordering him around to be a part of our job, making it easier to keep an eye on him (and gain credit for his insights) but also taking responsibility for the results of his actions? Or do we want to cut him out of things, effectively disavowing responsibility for his deeds but letting him go on his investigations unseen? I kind of... want to just cut him loose. He's not, as far as I know, doing anything in service to the Karak and our job is about serving the Karak, not about riding herd on every last magical visitor. If he gets an official job working for the dwarves then he'd fall under our jurisdiction.
[X] Plan 2 wizards
-[X] Recruit Panoramia
-[X] Recruit Maximilian
[X] Plan Fields of Gold
-[x] Recruit Maximilian
-[X] Recruit Johann
[x] Plan recruit everyone!
[x] Take an active hand in the EIC
Infiltrator and Scout are similar in effect, with Scout giving a larger but less widely applicable bonus. Mathilde rolls for infiltration a LOT, during any kind of scouting she does, so I'm inclined to say that one of these would be a solid pick. On balance I think I'd got for Infiltrator as Mathilde is a bold operator and likely to get into high-security locations whenever she gets the chance, and we don't want her traits to fail her when she does.
Assassin is exceedingly tempting. A +40 bonus is stunningly huge- nothing else on the list is even half that- and while it's narrowly applicable, assassination was one of Mathilde's most useful actions in the recent campaign, and it came up quite a few times. Choosing this trait would mean that we critically succeed on our assassination rolls more than half the time (since our stat will be added as well), which is fantastic. If we want to do any significant amount of continuing sneaky murder, this is the pick.
Avatar is cool and flashy, but also feels to me like committing us to theurgy as a path of research if we don't want to underutilize our skillset. Being used as a conduit by deities is basically what priestly spellcasters do, after all. It's a cool line of research, but I don't know that I want it to be Mathilde's primary thing, so it's not for me.
Polyglot is nice but Mathilde doesn't have much trouble learning languages as-is and most of the languages she encounters, she already knows. This is relevant when, if we're actually going to Cathay personally, or decide to go negotiate with some Tomb Kings and start off with a month of learning to speak their language? I'm not feeling it.
Marksman is solid. We do a lot of shooting things. This is a nice bonus during assassinations and on the battlefield alike. That said, I'm not sure that it's the best investment of our limited trait slots when we haven't committed to more combat and shooting is only one small part of our combat arsenal.
Collegiate makes us a manager of wizards. Which, well, we are a manager of wizards, but I want Mathilde's traits to make her shine with talents that aren't cat-wrangling. I'm tempted to pass but it IS mechanically optimal for maximizing our total number of actions in standard turns, so it gets in.
Magical Duellist is what it says on the tin. Dispelling and miscast-inducing is very important every time it comes up so it's hard to argue against this one, although it is an unfortunately reactive trait- it only lets us prevent the enemy from doing things, rather than helping us at all with striking first. So good, but not as good as it potentially could be.
Winter Wolf Familiar is super cool! But Wolf should never be in combat even if he's a giant winter wolf; the +1 Magic he grants is just too precious to risk him that way. This might help us with bonding with the Ulrikadrin if we take it, too, and give us a reason to spend all kinds of favor on runic giant wolf barding and generally ride something other than our shadowhorse. I don't know, our puppy should still not be a warrior in my eyes, and this doesn't give any stat growth at all.
Daredevil has a shiny attached. Immunity to fear and terror is BIG because even if Mathilde's Brave already there are a lot of things out there with supernatural terror effects that can punch through even a stalwart heart's determination. However, I don't know if I really approve of what this kind of personality trait choice says about her shifting mindset. Mathilde is still the person who chose not to force herself to keep casting in Karag Nar because she can do reasonable risk analysis.
Campaigner is very solid, if we expect to be doing any more pitched battles. +10 to any kind of fighting alongside others is widely applicable. But, I think of Mathilde as more of an infiltrator/assassin and counterspeller than I do a combatant, so I don't think this pick is for me.
Warrior of Paperwork is nice... if we think that we're going to be writing more papers personally. Honestly I'm more inclined to make sure that we always have at least one minion on hand, and get our Learning bonus somewhere else.
Collaborator, now, THIS is how we get our Favor-harvesting done. Look at that shiny +20 every time we want to write a paper! But... I don't actually care about writing a ton of papers to harvest Favor, personally. It's not a priority for me, and I'm not willing to burn a trait slot on it.
Hands On is nice! Raising everything except Learning is a net of +3 stat points where all the other traits available are only giving +2, so this is mechanically a very solid choice. And it means that Mathilde will get bonuses to going out and poking things, which is always more interesting than turn after turn spent in the lab. On the downside this does have a Learning penalty and we use Learning for ALL our research and magic rolls, so we really need to make up for that loss somehow if we take this. Sadly we did not get any baseline Learning from this campaign; presumably it wasn't that magically enlightening.
Windsage is great. Being able to read emotions (more clearly than we currently can at least, since Mathilde can do that a little right now) is a huge social boon and it comes with Learning to boot. An easier time examining magical effects is also quite handy, but it's not the real treasure here.
Polytheist is a nice reduction of our negative trait and I would push for it hard... if we were still in the Empire. But we're not; we're focusing on Karak Eight Peaks for years to come. We don't have any significant number of Sigmarites around here. The EIC is run by Wilhelmina who doesn't like Sigmar either. I just don't see that this is any kind of priority, and it's only worth +1 Piety to boot- the stat we have TONS of. Not for me.
[x] Infiltrator: Nobody seems to guard anything well enough to keep you out. +2 Intrigue, +10 bonus to infiltration.
[x] Assassin: Combat is easiest when the other person doesn't realize they're in it. +2 Intrigue, +40 bonus against unaware targets.
[x] Collegiate: They say managing Wizards is like herding cats. Herding cats isn't actually that difficult. Can manage three other wizards per action spent.
[x] Magical Duellist: Anyone unwise enough to try to cast spells you don't want them to will quickly regret it. +2 Learning, +10 bonus to dispelling and inducing miscasts.
[x] Practical > Hands On: Wait, you can just get other people to do the paperwork? Why didn't I think of this sooner? +1 Diplomacy, +1 Stewardship, +1 Martial, +1 Intrigue, -1 Learning, +10 bonus to insights developed 'in the field' (as opposed to careful laboratory study).
[x] Windreader > Windsage: Your magical senses see more than your normal ones. +2 Learning, even more able to see and understand emotion and magical effects in others.
Donation to the Undumgi or the Ulrikadrin would, I think, be a highly visible gesture of support for them politically so it is VERY worth considering. The Undumgi see us all the time so handing out a magical goodie to their leader might give a "he leads and I approve his leadership" effect. The Ulrikadrin have shown some clear concern that the Grey College is looking at them suspiciously and giving them the torc would be a "wear this to show everyone that we're friends and I'm not going to shank you" effect. I think I like the latter more.
[x] Donate it to whoever ends up leading the Undumgi.
[x] Donate it to the Winter Wolves of Ulrikadrin.
This part of the vote is planned, not approval, so we need some coherent thought here. Obviously we want two or four, because working alone is sad, that trait to manage three per action will very likely not win, and we don't want to have the inefficiency of spending a full action slot on a single minion. But which two or four?
I'm inclined to drop Esbern and Seija right off. They have life plans that don't involve the Karak already, and while the spiders are a fun project there isn't a ton of beast-related stuff for them to do around here. We could find things for them to do- start capturing and raising monstrous mounts or helping the halflings/Ulrikadrin with herding domestic animals, for example- but I don't think those are necessary or, frankly, worth our half-action-slot.
Panoramia is in the interesting position of being someone that we don't need to recruit because she's already going to be working here, doing exactly what she would be doing if we recruited her- optimizing farming, maybe periodically seeking out new plants to grow, and generally making the agriculture of the Karak prosper. This means that actually running her activities may end up feeling like a wasted half-action every turn because we know that we're giving her orders she doesn't even need. On the other hand, claiming her under the authority of Court Wizard now sets a firm precedent that wizards doing regular work for the Karak are under the authority of the Court Wizard, which could be useful, and it gives us an excuse to interact with her socially on a regular basis and call on her for things that aren't agriculture.
Maximilian is going to get wrapped up in his own studies and never do anything useful unless we drag him out to do it. We'd better take him on and leave him to do his own work in the action slots he doesn't need to follow orders (the orders will involve writing our papers for us).
Johann is annoying and I don't want to take him on, because he's gone off to do his own investigations and joined the Expedition under a false rank in the first place. But a personal distaste is no excuse for not doing our job. Do we want ordering him around to be a part of our job, making it easier to keep an eye on him (and gain credit for his insights) but also taking responsibility for the results of his actions? Or do we want to cut him out of things, effectively disavowing responsibility for his deeds but letting him go on his investigations unseen? I kind of... want to just cut him loose. He's not, as far as I know, doing anything in service to the Karak and our job is about serving the Karak, not about riding herd on every last magical visitor. If he gets an official job working for the dwarves then he'd fall under our jurisdiction.
[X] Plan 2 wizards
-[X] Recruit Panoramia
-[X] Recruit Maximilian
[X] Plan Fields of Gold
-[x] Recruit Maximilian
-[X] Recruit Johann
[x] Plan recruit everyone!
I don't think the EIC is a problem and explained why before. I don't even think that Wilhelmina will do anything threatening with it. But I do think that it's in position to rampantly grow and we want to keep that eye on it- and help build the Karak Eight Peaks trade economy even though we didn't pick Steward.
[x] Take an active hand in the EIC
Oh boy, lots of these traits to get through. Starting at the top...
Infiltrator and Scout are similar in effect, with Scout giving a larger but less widely applicable bonus. Mathilde rolls for infiltration a LOT, during any kind of scouting she does, so I'm inclined to say that one of these would be a solid pick. On balance I think I'd got for Infiltrator as Mathilde is a bold operator and likely to get into high-security locations whenever she gets the chance, and we don't want her traits to fail her when she does.
Assassin is exceedingly tempting. A +40 bonus is stunningly huge- nothing else on the list is even half that- and while it's narrowly applicable, assassination was one of Mathilde's most useful actions in the recent campaign, and it came up quite a few times. Choosing this trait would mean that we critically succeed on our assassination rolls more than half the time (since our stat will be added as well), which is fantastic. If we want to do any significant amount of continuing sneaky murder, this is the pick.
Avatar is cool and flashy, but also feels to me like committing us to theurgy as a path of research if we don't want to underutilize our skillset. Being used as a conduit by deities is basically what priestly spellcasters do, after all. It's a cool line of research, but I don't know that I want it to be Mathilde's primary thing, so it's not for me.
Polyglot is nice but Mathilde doesn't have much trouble learning languages as-is and most of the languages she encounters, she already knows. This is relevant when, if we're actually going to Cathay personally, or decide to go negotiate with some Tomb Kings and start off with a month of learning to speak their language? I'm not feeling it.
Marksman is solid. We do a lot of shooting things. This is a nice bonus during assassinations and on the battlefield alike. That said, I'm not sure that it's the best investment of our limited trait slots when we haven't committed to more combat and shooting is only one small part of our combat arsenal.
Collegiate makes us a manager of wizards. Which, well, we are a manager of wizards, but I want Mathilde's traits to make her shine with talents that aren't cat-wrangling. I'm tempted to pass but it IS mechanically optimal for maximizing our total number of actions in standard turns, so it gets in.
Magical Duellist is what it says on the tin. Dispelling and miscast-inducing is very important every time it comes up so it's hard to argue against this one, although it is an unfortunately reactive trait- it only lets us prevent the enemy from doing things, rather than helping us at all with striking first. So good, but not as good as it potentially could be.
Winter Wolf Familiar is super cool! But Wolf should never be in combat even if he's a giant winter wolf; the +1 Magic he grants is just too precious to risk him that way. This might help us with bonding with the Ulrikadrin if we take it, too, and give us a reason to spend all kinds of favor on runic giant wolf barding and generally ride something other than our shadowhorse. I don't know, our puppy should still not be a warrior in my eyes, and this doesn't give any stat growth at all.
Daredevil has a shiny attached. Immunity to fear and terror is BIG because even if Mathilde's Brave already there are a lot of things out there with supernatural terror effects that can punch through even a stalwart heart's determination. However, I don't know if I really approve of what this kind of personality trait choice says about her shifting mindset. Mathilde is still the person who chose not to force herself to keep casting in Karag Nar because she can do reasonable risk analysis.
Campaigner is very solid, if we expect to be doing any more pitched battles. +10 to any kind of fighting alongside others is widely applicable. But, I think of Mathilde as more of an infiltrator/assassin and counterspeller than I do a combatant, so I don't think this pick is for me.
Warrior of Paperwork is nice... if we think that we're going to be writing more papers personally. Honestly I'm more inclined to make sure that we always have at least one minion on hand, and get our Learning bonus somewhere else.
Collaborator, now, THIS is how we get our Favor-harvesting done. Look at that shiny +20 every time we want to write a paper! But... I don't actually care about writing a ton of papers to harvest Favor, personally. It's not a priority for me, and I'm not willing to burn a trait slot on it.
Hands On is nice! Raising everything except Learning is a net of +3 stat points where all the other traits available are only giving +2, so this is mechanically a very solid choice. And it means that Mathilde will get bonuses to going out and poking things, which is always more interesting than turn after turn spent in the lab. On the downside this does have a Learning penalty and we use Learning for ALL our research and magic rolls, so we really need to make up for that loss somehow if we take this. Sadly we did not get any baseline Learning from this campaign; presumably it wasn't that magically enlightening.
Windsage is great. Being able to read emotions (more clearly than we currently can at least, since Mathilde can do that a little right now) is a huge social boon and it comes with Learning to boot. An easier time examining magical effects is also quite handy, but it's not the real treasure here.
Polytheist is a nice reduction of our negative trait and I would push for it hard... if we were still in the Empire. But we're not; we're focusing on Karak Eight Peaks for years to come. We don't have any significant number of Sigmarites around here. The EIC is run by Wilhelmina who doesn't like Sigmar either. I just don't see that this is any kind of priority, and it's only worth +1 Piety to boot- the stat we have TONS of. Not for me.
[x] Infiltrator: Nobody seems to guard anything well enough to keep you out. +2 Intrigue, +10 bonus to infiltration.
[x] Assassin: Combat is easiest when the other person doesn't realize they're in it. +2 Intrigue, +40 bonus against unaware targets.
[x] Collegiate: They say managing Wizards is like herding cats. Herding cats isn't actually that difficult. Can manage three other wizards per action spent.
[x] Magical Duellist: Anyone unwise enough to try to cast spells you don't want them to will quickly regret it. +2 Learning, +10 bonus to dispelling and inducing miscasts.
[x] Practical > Hands On: Wait, you can just get other people to do the paperwork? Why didn't I think of this sooner? +1 Diplomacy, +1 Stewardship, +1 Martial, +1 Intrigue, -1 Learning, +10 bonus to insights developed 'in the field' (as opposed to careful laboratory study).
[x] Windreader > Windsage: Your magical senses see more than your normal ones. +2 Learning, even more able to see and understand emotion and magical effects in others.
For this one, returning it for College Favor is the fast and easy way to get a solid return on it. Sale is basically a violation of the Vow of Poverty and we shouldn't do it. Keeping it for study is redundant- we can get another enchanted item for study easily enough, and make it one we'll actually use. And I don't see us using it for the morale effect.
Donation to the Undumgi or the Ulrikadrin would, I think, be a highly visible gesture of support for them politically so it is VERY worth considering. The Undumgi see us all the time so handing out a magical goodie to their leader might give a "he leads and I approve his leadership" effect. The Ulrikadrin have shown some clear concern that the Grey College is looking at them suspiciously and giving them the torc would be a "wear this to show everyone that we're friends and I'm not going to shank you" effect. I think I like the latter more.
[x] Donate it to whoever ends up leading the Undumgi.
[x] Donate it to the Winter Wolves of Ulrikadrin.
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[X] Wolf Familiar > Winter Wolf Familiar: Turns out Wolf is a late bloomer. Wolf will grow large enough to ride upon.
[X] Magical Duellist: Anyone unwise enough to try to cast spells you don't want them to will quickly regret it. +2 Learning, +10 bonus to dispelling and inducing miscasts.
[X] Avatar: You're growing worryingly familiar with being used as a conduit by deities. ???
[X] Polyglot: Your time with the Dwarves has revealed that you have an ear for languages, and learn new languages much faster.
[X] Magical Duellist: Anyone unwise enough to try to cast spells you don't want them to will quickly regret it. +2 Learning, +10 bonus to dispelling and inducing miscasts.
[X] Avatar: You're growing worryingly familiar with being used as a conduit by deities. ???
[X] Polyglot: Your time with the Dwarves has revealed that you have an ear for languages, and learn new languages much faster.
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
- Location
- Seattle, WA
[X] Leave the EIC alone
Not worth an action a turn. We can visit every few years, or spend a few actions on trade links. Also, sets us up to trade or sell our share if we need to.
[X] Magical Duellist: Anyone unwise enough to try to cast spells you don't want them to will quickly regret it. +2 Learning, +10 bonus to dispelling and inducing miscasts.
[X] Bureaucrat + Practical > Warrior of Paperwork: Scholarship is just a specific form of paperwork. You can live with it. Combines the two traits, +2 Learning, remove penalty to writing papers yourself
Lots of learning, a mix of tower and field.
Not worth an action a turn. We can visit every few years, or spend a few actions on trade links. Also, sets us up to trade or sell our share if we need to.
[X] Magical Duellist: Anyone unwise enough to try to cast spells you don't want them to will quickly regret it. +2 Learning, +10 bonus to dispelling and inducing miscasts.
[X] Bureaucrat + Practical > Warrior of Paperwork: Scholarship is just a specific form of paperwork. You can live with it. Combines the two traits, +2 Learning, remove penalty to writing papers yourself
Lots of learning, a mix of tower and field.
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Right one last question before i head off.
@BoneyM
Can traits be gained outside of end of campaign arcs or neutral ones mitigated further? Assuming we took lessons at the colleges of magic to learn to write better acadmic papers would that just count as a skill or would it offer the chance to remove penalties from a trait?
@BoneyM
Can traits be gained outside of end of campaign arcs or neutral ones mitigated further? Assuming we took lessons at the colleges of magic to learn to write better acadmic papers would that just count as a skill or would it offer the chance to remove penalties from a trait?
- Location
- Brazil
It's also for expanding it to K8P.
Plan votes, folks.
Yeah, but something that actually gives you the ability to fight seems opposite to idea of throwing down the walls.
What makes Mathilde better at magic is her deepening her relationship with and understanding of Ulgu. Anoqeyan might have words for concepts that Reikspiel and Praestantia don't, but that only makes communicating about magic easier, not using it.
Not easily or reliably, but it is possible.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The stuff we can get and learn, helping in the long run, from the College Favors of returning the Torc will help us and others far more than it will help the Umdumbgi.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Ah, I just figured that given spell casting requires you to be able to talk and express concepts verbally to shape the magic it might have helped. Well that reduces the desire i had to learn Anoqeyan quite drastically.
Also amusing thought I just had but I think phonetically Anoqeyan and Enochian sound pretty similar I suspect that was a deliberate choice by the GW writers. Cheeky monkeys.
- Location
- Australia
In the RPG, an elf wizard would be speaking Anoqeyan rather than Praestantia when casting magic, but they don't get any benefit out of it in either 4e or 2e.
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