Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

chocolote12 · Sep 22, 2019

[X] Do a Whiskey Report: reveal the Warboss and the Idol to the Council, and have Belegar wrangle Kragg into a private room and reveal Mork and Ranald.
[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
-[X] But tell Belegar about the weakening of Mork in private.

It's two votes against a hundred, but this is the better option, I think.

thefoolswriter · Sep 22, 2019

vote tallly

Adhoc vote count started by notanautomaton on Sep 22, 2019 at 4:35 PM, finished with 657 posts and 233 votes.

183 people have voted
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
- taovkool
- Shador
- Nix's Warden
- notbirdofprey
- Illusion of Eris
- Mopman43
- chocolote12
- dacsan
- Jrin
- Warmach1ne32
- spiritualatheist
- cokerpilot
- wrecksalot
- das_slash
- Pikeline
- Nahden
- Slynnwen
- random_npc
- Trickster314
- Stranger1950
- LordEdric
- Andmeuths
- Genderite
- Kaboomatic
- hyperspacemage
- natruska
- wingstrike96
- Jax
- Claudiu26@@
- TheWoo
- Businessmanga
- DragonParadox
- Whumbly
- Sib
- REAPER35
- La3nus
- Knack
- noliar
- Kornet
- Ganurath
... and 143 more.
167 people have voted
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
- taovkool
- Shador
- Nix's Warden
- notbirdofprey
- Illusion of Eris
- Mopman43
- chocolote12
- dacsan
- Jrin
- Warmach1ne32
- spiritualatheist
- cokerpilot
- wrecksalot
- das_slash
- Pikeline
- Nahden
- Slynnwen
- random_npc
- Trickster314
- Stranger1950
- LordEdric
- Andmeuths
- Genderite
- Kaboomatic
- hyperspacemage
- natruska
- wingstrike96
- Jax
- Claudiu26@@
- TheWoo
- Businessmanga
- DragonParadox
- Whumbly
- Sib
- REAPER35
- La3nus
- Knack
- noliar
- Kornet
- Ganurath
... and 127 more.
116 people have voted
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork.
- taovkool
- Shador
- Nix's Warden
- notbirdofprey
- Illusion of Eris
- Mopman43
- chocolote12
- dacsan
- Jrin
- Warmach1ne32
- spiritualatheist
- cokerpilot
- wrecksalot
- das_slash
- Pikeline
- Nahden
- Slynnwen
- random_npc
- Trickster314
- Stranger1950
- LordEdric
- Andmeuths
- Genderite
- Kaboomatic
- hyperspacemage
- natruska
- wingstrike96
- Jax
- Claudiu26@@
- TheWoo
- Businessmanga
- DragonParadox
- Whumbly
- Sib
- REAPER35
- La3nus
- Knack
- noliar
- Kornet
- Ganurath
... and 76 more.
52 people have voted
[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
- racnor
- aimlessPolymath
- ebolasos
- Golden Eyed King
- Dadarian
- SeptimusMagisto
- NibblyGribbly
- NotteBoy97
- Chimeraguard
- Karugus
- DarknessSmiles
- Lalzparty
- doruma1920
- In_lurk_shadow
- NuclearConsensus
- Travler66
- butchock
- Tomlado
- Necratoid
- WorldSlayer
- Karnax626
- Ysarsid
- Zhaitan
- The Meddler
- Happerry
- Sinsystems
- Redshirt Army
- StormLord
- Nervos Belli
- PurposefulZephyr
- Heretek
- Guile
- jacobk
- Dutchman
- mcclay
- thisisinsane
- PsyFarrow
- Artemis1992
- EVA-Saiyajin
- dycouza
... and 12 more.
43 people have voted
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol
- Z000
- Doctor Elsewhere
- JamesShazbond
- HeWhoAdds
- QuarkDS9
- Daecl
- HidCyan
- Shard
- Alectai
- rex754
- Yun
- Lunamoto
- Captainwolf
- AvidFicReader
- Preventer Squall
- Timewarriors
- Angelazreal1
- Yanez
- Martenzo
- Oshha
- Abhorsen
- legiodamnatus
- Rhodes
- Derkan
- Ph34r_n0_3V1L
- Thriceboiled
- Undead-Spaceman
- Varano
- maximorph
- Chaossama
- Gr33n34r
- Candesce
- HavocKeeper
- SleepMode
- No7sHere
- undead frog
- Zaratustra
- Prospalz
- Chiperninerm
- Yeangst
... and 3 more.
23 people have voted
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork and strengthening of Ranald.
- tokero6294
- Enthusiast#117
- ConfusedCanuck
- HanEmpire
- Hypate
- JackOfAll
- avatar11792
- veekie
- Klaus Wulfenback
- JOJOBRN
- ctulhuslp
- Neptune
- VoidZero
- Fimconte
- Reynal
- torac
- SuperSonicSound
- LilyWitch
- Warlord D Thoran
- Ashmaker
- DocMatoi
- Garlak
- jjffjhjf
15 people have voted
[X] She disobeyed a superior Wizard and her commanding officer. Lecture her harshly but inflict no punishment.
- VagrantHero
- mc2rpg
- Xilentxium
- buli-buli
- jacobk
- Dutchman
- mcclay
- thisisinsane
- PsyFarrow
- Artemis1992
- Waffle
- Inferno67
- JaceAoT
- Ashmaker
- Briefvoice
13 people have voted
[x] The Citadel should be destroyed before we can consider our position secure.
- VoidZero
- Fimconte
- Heretek
- Reynal
- saganatsu
- Omegahugger
- pucflek
- Redciv3
- Gworn
- Waffle
- Exmorri
- kitsune9
- BungieONI
7 people have voted
[X] Taking Kvinn-Wyr would mean we have every Karag flanking the Eastern Valley.
- Heretek
- Guile
- BioWolf
- Kyr'am
- SCO
- Warlord D Thoran
- Emote Control
6 people have voted
[X] Write-in: Leave her a note someplace conspicuous (to her) to either obey her commanding officer or hide her involvement better. This half-hearted middle-ground is a bad mix. You'll lecture her later, when it's more convenient.
- Guile
- buli-buli
- Alliterate
- vsh
- Reynal
- Lynk
5 people have voted
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
-[X] She will also volunteer for dish cleaning duty.
- Thor's Twin
- Neshuakadal
- Humbaba
- jgalue1
- LilyWitch
4 people have voted
[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
-[X] But tell Belegar about the weakening of Mork in private.
4 people have voted
[X] Praise Panoramia. We didn't want her going into battle because exhaustion causes miscasts. She didn't go into battle until she saw orks about to descend on her comrades, and made the right judgement that the risk of miscast wasn't as bad as the risk of being overrun by orks. It was exactly the right reason and time to break orders, and in all honesty kept to the spirit of those orders.
- Andres
- Katahiraga
- Exmorri
- cheesyme
3 people have voted
[X] This is a matter between Wizards, and while you're not of the Jade Order and cannot directly punish her, etiquette dictates that you report this matter to them.
- Heretek
- torac
- Waffle
3 people have voted
[X] The job is done. Ale and riches for everybody.
2 people have voted
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
-[X] Warn her that you will not be as lenient a second time.
- adaer
- Koya2
2 people have voted
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
- [X] The Expedition should continue until all the major Greenskin and Skaven concentrations have been scouted and any urgent threats to the reestablished Karak Eight Peaks neutralised.
- Alratan
- Horium
1 people have voted
[X] This is a matter between Wizards, and while you're not of the Jade Order and cannot directly punish her, etiquette dictates that you report this matter to them.
-[x] Under no circumstances should an exhausted wizard take the field of battle. A warrior who takes the field when not properly rested is at risk of getting themselves killed. A wizard, especially one who has yet to earn their place as a Magister, is at risk of killing anyone near them from a single unfortunate miscast. What she did in the name of pride was insolent and irresponsible, when she would have been of far more help saving her strength to deal with casualties after the battle.
- Silver719
1 people have voted
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol
-[X] But tell Belegar about the weakening of Mork in private.
- Gingganz
1 people have voted
[x] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the potential for religious conflict (with the involvement of the gods in question).
- Lurker of Urk
1 people have voted
[X] No harm, no foul. Say nothing.
- Gworn
1 people have voted
[X] While the orc threat seems to be well in hand, you'd feel a lot better if you had more information about the tunnels and the scope of the Skaven threat. And some idea how to deal with a mountain full of trolls.
- primemountain
1 people have voted
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol some other weird shit happened, but you're not even sure how to start explaining it.
- Doomed Wombat
1 people have voted
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.

[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
- Zero Gravitas
1 people have voted
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
-[X] With an aside on the unpredictable reception of unsanctioned victories, and the potential consequences of unsanctioned failures.
- Pyrelight
1 people have voted
[x] For a proper defense in depth we need the Citadel and Karagril.
- vsh
1 people have voted
[x] She disobeyed a superior Wizard and her commanding officer. Lecture her and find her a suitably boring chore as a light punishment.
- vsh
1 people have voted
[X] Visit her when she is on her lonesome and ask her how her rest was? Give her a chance to explain herself. Educate her on the topic of how the dwarfs might respond to knowing you have a young-ling Wizard who doesn't understand or respect the chain of command. And that what she does reflects not only on herself, her college and us, but on the Empire and humans as a whole.
-[X] But do praise her initiative. That she could judge how close to the edge she was. She exceeded your expectations. You did not think she had so much mortal and magical endurance. You will certainly take that into consideration for future plans and be sure to assign her more difficult tasks. How did fighting after casting all night and on no sleep go? On that topic, how does she feel about miscasts and was there any trouble during the battle?
- primemountain
1 people have voted
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
-[X] But do praise her initiative. That she could judge how close to the edge she was. She exceeded your expectations. You did not think she had so much mortal and magical endurance. You will certainly take that into consideration for future plans and be sure to assign her more difficult tasks. How did fighting after casting all night and on no sleep go? On that topic, how does she feel about miscasts and was there any trouble during the battle?
- Glau

Garlak · Sep 22, 2019

Ganurath said:
Same reason we'd tell them about the Druchii false flag operations that instigated the War of Vengeance if we found out: Accurate record keeping for the Book of Grudges.

Ah, well... That one at least has a very very obvious purpose (or... outcome, really) to it: explaining and giving more context to the War of Vengeance. Explaining the betrayal. ((Well, potentially they probably already know about it. But just don't really care because the suffering and tragedy that did happen with elves during the war, did hurt them.))

Dwarfs learn the truth --> Dwarfs blame the Druchii --> potential developments between Ulthuan and Karaz Ankor maybe possible in some far-off future???

This, this doesn't really do anything. ((It also presses on one of their deepest shames and berserk buttons: the Chaos Dwarfs.))

BungieONI · Sep 22, 2019

Ganurath said:
Same reason we'd tell them about the Druchii false flag operations that instigated the War of Vengeance if we found out: Accurate record keeping for the Book of Grudges.

This is not a good reason. Telling them the Druichii mucked about and then through that getting them to shift a large heft of the Ulthuan grudges to Naggarond is a good enough explanation and reason for telling them about it if we find out because its helping get two Order powers to stop tearing each other's skin and eyes off.

The Dwarfs already hate the Chaos Dwarfs so much they'd never spare their lives and were already planning to do the greatest punishments they can think of. It is adding a reason on a pile that is already larger than the Empire of Sigmar and is thus a drop in the bucket.

TotallyNotEvil said:
[X] Do a Whiskey Report: reveal the Warboss and the Idol to the Council, and have Belegar wrangle Kragg into a private room and reveal Mork and Ranald.

People are absolutely right that the dwarf fact-checking would not let this slip if we ever called anything from it, and I've grown convinced it's better to keep it to the people who need to know, and won't needlessly gossip. "A wizard die it" for something this awesomely big doesn't hold up to dwarf meticulousness.

The dwarves don't know Ranald, but they do know Mathilde. She is likely the most respected human alive right now, in dwarf eyes. If she says this so-called Ranald is ok, I'm confident they'd take her at her word.

This avoids any future trouble with the Empire, and reaps the most favor, while getting the information to the people who need to know. Just the morale boost alone should be staggering.

[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.

chocolote12 said:
[X] Do a Whiskey Report: reveal the Warboss and the Idol to the Council, and have Belegar wrangle Kragg into a private room and reveal Mork and Ranald.

It's two votes against a hundred, but this is the better option, I think.

Might be a better idea to vote for this sub vote, since its got more votes to it and does the same thing mostly except for Kragg and we I think all agree we need some form of Whiskey Report to go through.

[] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
-[] But tell Belegar about the weakening of Mork in private.

T_of_A · Sep 22, 2019

Telling them what created the Black Orcs may be very important in the long term. They do have things like dwarf-only runes, after all. There's probably an innovative runesmith out there who'd love to know this!
Furthermore, information is always useful eventually. We can't see its use now, but I'm sure it will eventually become relevant to some dwarf somewhere, who'll be glad to know it.

FlyingScanian · Sep 22, 2019

Updating vote (specifically, removing my opinion on telling about Morks poke in the eye. So that's one less vote that needs to be overcome if there's a change tonight... I might update again tomorrow once I've slept on it, if voting haven't closed)
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.

Guile said:
"My god ate part of Mork" is definitely an Ostland whiskey sort of report.

Abelhelm would certainly sympathise with poor Belegar if this happens...

DragonParadox · Sep 22, 2019

TalonofAnathrax said:
Telling them what created the Black Orcs may be very important in the long term. They do have things like dwarf-only runes, after all. There's probably an innovative runesmith out there who'd love to know this!
Furthermore, information is always useful eventually. We can't see its use now, but I'm sure it will eventually become relevant to some dwarf somewhere, who'll be glad to know it.

Sadly I'm pretty sure innovative runesmith is an oxymoron.

Gingganz · Sep 22, 2019

@TotallyNotEvil, isn't your write-in pretty similar to this one:

Pi In The Sky said:
[] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
-[] But tell Belegar about the

Is it worth splitting the votes over a minor difference?

Not that either is going to win, but it's the principle that matters.

Edit: Eshin'd

rex754 · Sep 22, 2019

Could people voting to tell about Mork's bloodied nose explain how exactly the Empire won't find out about our claiming to have weakened a God?

This vote is for informing the entire war council on what we were up too and several humans are on it. What's going to stop them from spreading us claiming that we wounded a Ork God, with us offering no proof other than saying we sensed it might have happened?

Unless we plan to inform them about Ranald's intervention we need to make something up or tell the truth of what happened, otherwise why the hell would anyone believe us and not think we are making things up to improve our rep?

We are going to be trying to claim to have done something that no one else has ever done and offering no proof to back it up other than we think it might have happened and that will just make us look bad.

TotallyNotEvil · Sep 22, 2019

BungieONI said:
Might be a better idea to vote for this sub vote, since its got more votes to it and does the same thing mostly except for Kragg and we I think all agree we need some form of Whiskey Report to go through.

Ah, two points:
1) Kragg will hear about this, and I figure he both deserves to know first-hand and it saves time from the inevitable interrogation.
2) That vote doesn't reveal Ranald. Considering the incredibly through fact-checking they did for Drakenhoff, and the nature of the conversation, revealing Ranald is essentially wholly to our advantage, as not doing so would otherwise leave an enormous question from the tale: "how?". And we don't want there to be the slightest gap when spinning such an incredible tale.

BungieONI · Sep 22, 2019

TalonofAnathrax said:
Telling them what created the Black Orcs may be very important in the long term. They do have things like dwarf-only runes, after all. There's probably an innovative runesmith out there who'd love to know this!
Furthermore, information is always useful eventually. We can't see its use now, but I'm sure it will eventually become relevant to some dwarf somewhere, who'll be glad to know it.

How? Like you can tell me it might be, but that does not cut the mustard or paint the picture of how its going to be at all relevant. It helping some dwarf some where is a platitude.

They don't need this info to make anti Black Orc runes, and Kragg definitely doesn't. Like.

Why. Why the heck should we bring up a brutally traumatic period of their history and their greatest failure and betrayal to their face. This is incredibly disrespectful of a Taboo Subject and no one can explain to me how it is an actual aid to them.

SuperSonicSound · Sep 22, 2019

[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork.
[X] Do a Whiskey Report: reveal the Warboss and the Idol to the Council, and have Belegar wrangle Kragg into a private room and reveal Mork and Ranald.

[X] Taking Kvinn-Wyr would mean we have every Karag flanking the Eastern Valley.

Fehu · Sep 22, 2019

[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.

DragonParadox · Sep 22, 2019

rex754 said:
Could people voting to tell about Mork's bloodied nose explain how exactly the Empire won't find out about our claiming to have weakened a God?

This vote is for informing the entire war council on what we were up too and several humans are on it. What's going to stop them from spreading us claiming that we wounded a Ork God, with us offering no proof other than saying we sensed it might have happened?

Unless we plan to inform them about Ranald's intervention we need to make something up or tell the truth of what happened, otherwise why the hell would anyone believe us and not think we are making things up to improve our rep?

It's not exactly complicated:

*a really big ritual backlashed and Mathilde's aetheric senses picked up the pain and distress of the god*

Garlak · Sep 22, 2019

rex754 said:
Could people voting to tell about Mork's bloodied nose explain how exactly the Empire won't find out about our claiming to have weakened a God?

This vote is for informing the entire war council on what we were up too and several humans are on it. What's going to stop them from spreading us claiming that we wounded a Ork God, with us offering no proof other than saying we sensed it might have happened?

None of that... seems like a big deal or is at all important? I mean, at most, if it spreads the story will probably just be... another amazing story. 'Oh, some rumor and amazing story about what happened at K8P.' Probably if it even gets there, people would just know that 'An orc shaman tried a ritual, and it backfired.' If it gets that far.

Most won't believe it. Those who believe it... does that even matter to us at all?

Like, what do you imagine is the "bad thing" that will "happen" to us, if the story gets to the Empire?

rex754 said:
Unless we plan to inform them about Ranald's intervention we need to make something up or tell the truth of what happened, otherwise why the hell would anyone believe us and not think we are making things up to improve our rep?

We are going to be trying to claim to have done something that no one else has ever done and offering no proof to back it up other than we think it might have happened and that will just make us look bad.

There is literally a built-in explanation for how it happened: we just blame it on the ritual the Orc was doing. And our role in it was to simply kill him in the middle of it, and it blew up in his face and in his God's face.

I mean, to the people who matter and who might need the information -- the Runelords and the Colleges of Magic and the Mages of Ulthuan and the like -- they'll know more of the situation. They'll know more of the truth.

But the common man of the Empire -- if they even know rumors from Karak 8 Peaks at all, or with any clarity -- will at best know that Mathilde (and/or just a Wizard) dramatically and cleverly defeated an Orc Shaman.

Nix's Warden · Sep 22, 2019

[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork.
[X] Do a Whiskey Report: reveal the Warboss and the Idol to the Council, and have Belegar wrangle Kragg into a private room and reveal Mork and Ranald.

EVA-Saiyajin · Sep 22, 2019

Alectai said:
Anyway though, my opinion on the 'Don't tell them about Mork thing' boils down to.

"How do we even know if, tactically and strategically speaking, this matters at all?"

Greenskin gods are second only to the Chaos Gods in power and ability to intervene in matters of interest to them, while Ranald made a killing swindling Mork--there's a hell of a lot more power to go around there, and he can lean on Gork in the meantime to cover his weakness.

It's pointless to brag about it because the odds that it'll have a strategically noticable impact are slim to none, and likely risks more trouble than it's worth. With the confirmation that fucking up the idol would likely explain the upsurge as far as most people are concerned, that's all that we can confirm to have tactical and strategic relevance to our campaign

This. There is very little to gain from talking about Mork aside from problems for us personally.

Guile · Sep 22, 2019

Alratan said:
I expect it will raise questions like:

Did the Grey College know this long scale ritual was in process?
Is this (one reason) why Mathilde is actually here on the expedition?
Quite how broad are the divine ritual counter-measure that the Grey College has?
Are my secrets safe from the Grey College?
Is she here for me as well?
Am I innocent enough?
etc

The question we should be asking is if this was going down in Karag Nar, what are we going to find as the ongoing plots in the other peaks and underground?

It does make it a little suspicious that we pushed for Karag Nar to be the next target, and furthermore that we pushed to be in the very first infiltration, with the Rangers.

Andmeuths said:
But we can't even begin to say whether it matters tactically and strategically at all. Even though our piety is high, we aren't all that acquainted with theology, so putting a value on this intel, and a classification level on this intel is a fools errand. I think it's very presumptuous to claim that Mathilde knows for certain that it doesn't matter at all. And if Mathilde cannot be sure it's irrelevant, then it's probably in character for Mathilde to tell the Council that she might have given Mork a blackeye. The sheer number of unknown factors here means Mathilde can't simply ex-cathedra claim that the Council doesn't need to know her intel on Mork. Who is Mathilde to make classification decisions on what she did to Mork? As a favored pseudo-priestess of Ranald, she has every justification to keep the empowerment of Ranald from the Council, but as a layperson with regards to theology, filing Mork under classified information to be kept from even the war-council sounds really odd, to put it mildly.

Mathilde is in no position to decide whether the information on Mork should be on a need to know basis, nor what this basis should look like. Under these circumstances, telling the council about Mork is not boasting, but an act of humility, and hiding this information about Mork from the council is one part hubris and one part cowardice.

I forgot that the motto of the Grey College was: "When in doubt, explain everything."

Gingganz · Sep 22, 2019

rex754 said:
Could people voting to tell about Mork's bloodied nose explain how exactly the Empire won't find out about our claiming to have weakened a God?

I want to claim that Mathilde killed an Orc Shaman performing a major ritual, which disrupted the ritual and made it backfire, and this may have weakened Mork due to the ridiculous amount of Waagh energy that escaped.

That way it doesn't sound so much like over the top bragging.

Alratan · Sep 22, 2019

DragonParadox said:
Sadly I'm pretty sure innovative runesmith is an oxymoron.

There are actually 'radical' runesmiths. Although it's very much a relative judgement. Even Thorek Ironbrow himself invented a novel rune. He's just keeping it for personal testing for a few more centuries to make sure it doesn't have any bugs in it.

BungieONI said:
How? Like you can tell me it might be, but that does not cut the mustard or paint the picture of how its going to be at all relevant. It helping some dwarf some where is a platitude.

They don't need this info to make anti Black Orc runes, and Kragg definitely doesn't. Like.

Why. Why the heck should we bring up a brutally traumatic period of their history and their greatest failure and betrayal to their face. This is incredibly disrespectful of a Taboo Subject and no one can explain to me how it is an actual aid to them.

We don't need to mention that it was dwarves that made the black orcs. If we ever do mention it, simply saying chaos sorcerers made the black orcs in furtherance of a long term plot should be sufficient. The details of how they damage orcish unit is what's really important.

rex754 said:
Could people voting to tell about Mork's bloodied nose explain how exactly the Empire won't find out about our claiming to have weakened a God?

This vote is for informing the entire war council on what we were up too and several humans are on it. What's going to stop them from spreading us claiming that we wounded a Ork God, with us offering no proof other than saying we sensed it might have happened?

Unless we plan to inform them about Ranald's intervention we need to make something up or tell the truth of what happened, otherwise why the hell would anyone believe us and not think we are making things up to improve our rep?

We are going to be trying to claim to have done something that no one else has ever done and offering no proof to back it up other than we think it might have happened and that will just make us look bad.

And anyone in the Empire will believe them why, again? There are a great many tall stories going to be told about this day. On top of this, Mathilde has Intrigue 17 and Martial 19. The concept of need to know and what information should be shared with whom to preserve morale should be intimately familiar to her. Beyond that, she's a Grey Magister. Information control is her bread and butter. We don't need to micromanage her down to the last detail. She should understand who to tell which bits of the story to and when.

Why is everyone assuming that Mathilde is an utter idiot who will forget everything she's ever learned when implementing a vote?

BungieONI · Sep 22, 2019

TotallyNotEvil said:
Ah, two points:
1) Kragg I'll hear about this, and I figure he both deserves to know first-hand and it saves time from the inevitable interrogation.
2) That vote doesn't reveal Ranald. Considering the incredibly through fact-checking they did for Drakenhoff, and the nature of the conversation, revealing Ranald is essentially wholly to our advantage, as not doing so would otherwise leave an enormous question from the tale: "how?". And we don't want there to be the slightest gap when spinning such an incredible tale.

Hmm good point I'll approval vote for yours.
[X] Do a Whiskey Report: reveal the Warboss and the Idol to the Council, and have Belegar wrangle Kragg into a private room and reveal Mork and Ranald.
[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
-[X] But tell Belegar about the weakening of Mork in private.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
[x] The Citadel should be destroyed before we can consider our position secure.

buli-buli · Sep 22, 2019

Okay. To answer the question oh how Mathilde is going to explain stealing power from a god, that is NOT the vote. The vote only mentions "the weakening of Mork".

Mathilde could explain that however she wants.

I personally destroyed it
I grounded it
I sent it towards the human pantheon
It just disappeared into the void
Gork destroyed it
The Dwarf Gods did something
I don't have to/won't/can't explain shit

I voted for option 3 because I think the Council needs to know that an Evil diety is (relatively) weak. That's big news. Everyone around the world should be capitalizing on that.

I didn't vote to talk about Ranald because when it comes to a human god being empowered, the other Council members will either not care, or will care very much.

Valerian · Sep 22, 2019

[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.

Gingganz · Sep 22, 2019

Yup, I'll add the Whiskey Report, too.

[X] Do a Whiskey Report: reveal the Warboss and the Idol to the Council, and have Belegar wrangle Kragg into a private room and reveal Mork and Ranald.
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork.
[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
-[X] But tell Belegar about the weakening of Mork in private.

[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.

[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.

Garlak · Sep 22, 2019

I kinda... really really don't like the Whiskey Report idea.

I don't want to do the "take them aside and tell them about Mork and Ranald." These write-ins are getting... I dunno. Feeling like it's easy for us to trip over ourselves.

First off, the act itself smacks of weird subterfuge in a way Dwarfs probably do not like. Like, if this were important, why didn't we say it at the council? By telling one thing at the council, and another thing later, we make it so that they have to keep the secrets.

... Actually, honestly -- because of that last bit (i.e. making it so that they have to balance between keeping it secret themselves or what) -- maybe we should report to Belegar (and/or Kragg) first. BEFORE the council. And then see if Belegar wants us to tell all of this.

Seriously.

You want to maintain information security of some sort? Then, instead of saying it after the council... say it before.

There. That way, Belegar (and Kragg) will have the choice of how much to reveal at the council! That is a far better way to do a Whiskey Report.

Seriously. Just... report to Belegar first, in private. And then ask him how much we should tell the council.

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