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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Alratan said:
I don't think the dwarves would tell anyone, and I don't think the Grandmasters would either. I'm not sure anyone else would be credible to have the story believed.
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Alratan said:
Ulric will be rapidly informed by the high priest of his who is at the table, and the Ancsector Gods by Kragg. They are very unlikely to answer back, but they'll hear the message.
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:p Sounds like they start gossiping about it the moment they leave the council to me. "Hey Ulric, you'll never guess what Mathilde just did."

Hi Ulric, how's it going have our priests stopped fighting yet?
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Yeah, a complete mess, I've blocked the Grand Theogonist on pray'r but he's still being stubborn about it. So, what's up?
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Really? Ranald and Mork? At the same time? Does Shallya know?
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My Self! How scandalous, I can't wait to tell her. Actually, I'll call her right now. Bye!

More seriously, maybe I'm being paranoid but I feel this is serious enough that any reasonable way of reducing the odds of word getting out should be taken. This is significant enough that a number of people would "need to know" in the opinion of the people on the war council.
 
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Alratan said:
The big issue for the Grey College (and Mathilde) is that someone else manipulated the Chaos Dwarves into making black orcs and orchestrated this, and they may be a but pissed off that we just ruined a millennia long gambit. Hiding this kind of thing from Tzeentch whoever did it is probably beyond Mathilde though.
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It's literally impossible to hide the result of his plan from Tzeentch. His followers and daemons will take much longer for the information to trickle down to, but the ones involved in this should know soon-ish.
Lurker of Urk said:
More seriously, maybe I'm being paranoid but I feel this is serious enough that any reasonable way of reducing the odds of word getting out should be taken. This is significant enough that a number of people would "need to know" in the opinion of the people on the war council.
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I'm not too worried about this, since as I just mentioned, the most evil and terrifying being in the world already knows. Compared to that, the Dwarf High King or whoever else finding out is a non issue. The imperial components of the expedition are mostly in the outs with secular and religious (mortal) authorities, so I don't expect official report cards from them to make it to the Empire's leaders any time soon. Remember the White Wolves think we are here to report on them.
 
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Lurker of Urk said:
:p Sounds like they start gossiping about it the moment they leave the council to me. "Hey Ulric, you'll never guess what Mathilde just did."

More seriously, maybe I'm being paranoid but I feel this is serious enough that any reasonable way of reducing the odds of word getting out should be taken. This is significant enough that a number of people would "need to know" in the opinion of the people on the war council.
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I think they'd start praying for divine insight into wtf would happen the moment they left, yes. I think the dwarves would talk to other important dwarves, but they're very good at keeping secrets. The Grandmaster of the White Wolves might talk to his cult hierarchy under normal circumstances, but he's fallen out with them. If we could make the vote more fine-grained I would only tell them about Mork or the Rogue Idol, as I don't think it's sensible to worry the men with things they can't do anything about, but I hope that Mathilde's Martial and Intrigue scores are high enough that she exercises basic need to know and progressively reduces the circle of trust as she successively debriefs smaller groups in in more detail. For example, she'll know that the thought of a Rogue Idol of Gork going on the rampage won't be good for morale, so will only tell the councillors that she trusts not to tell the Expedition.
 
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[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork and strengthening of Ranald.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
There's also the fact that if we mention the Chaos Dwarves being involved, the Dwarves will censor everything and demand everyone not a dwarf who hears us to speak nothing of this or else. That stuff is very secret.
 
065tdsa said:
There's also the fact that if we mention the Chaos Dwarves being involved, the Dwarves will censor everything and demand everyone not a dwarf who hears us to speak nothing of this or else. That stuff is very secret.
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I'm pretty sure we're not mentioning the vision, probably not to anyone except people we trust in the Grey College, and even that will probably be another contentious vote.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
065tdsa said:
It's literally impossible to hide the result of his plan from Tzeentch. His followers and daemons will take much longer for the information to trickle down to, but the ones involved in this should know soon-ish.
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From my limited understanding of Tzeentch, it's entirely possible he knew that had happened before we even got to K8P, isn't it?
 
Alectai said:
Anyway though, my opinion on the 'Don't tell them about Mork thing' boils down to.

"How do we even know if, tactically and strategically speaking, this matters at all?"

Greenskin gods are second only to the Chaos Gods in power and ability to intervene in matters of interest to them, while Ranald made a killing swindling Mork--there's a hell of a lot more power to go around there, and he can lean on Gork in the meantime to cover his weakness.

It's pointless to brag about it because the odds that it'll have a strategically noticable impact are slim to none, and likely risks more trouble than it's worth. With the confirmation that fucking up the idol would likely explain the upsurge as far as most people are concerned, that's all that we can confirm to have tactical and strategic relevance to our campaign
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Look I'd agree with you but for one thing. Like the book/movie says: "They'll learn that even a God can bleed."

Warp powers are about belief. Spreading the idea, the faith, that you can bleed a greenskin God, that they can be hurt, killed, seems like a really, really good idea.

Imagine all the Rangers re-thinking their approaches to Orc rituals.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork and strengthening of Ranald.

If we tell them about the weakening of Mork, they'll ask how we did it. If we dodge that question, or tell a lie they can later disprove, we'll look very suspicious. Either we shouldn't mention Mork at all, or we should tell the whole truth.

Personally, I'm very curious about what their reaction to Ranald would be.
 
primemountain said:
Look I'd agree with you but for one thing. Like the book/movie says: "They'll learn that even a God can bleed."

Warp powers are about belief. Spreading the idea, the faith, that you can bleed a greenskin God, that they can be hurt, killed, seems like a really, really good idea.

Imagine all the Rangers re-thinking their approaches to Orc rituals.
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If only this is true, this vote is a major, very important vote. Hiding what we did is not a consequences free decision and can bite us hard in the future. If the latest Sidestory is true, even the rank and file know that the gods were present in that battle. How much more the council?
 
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[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork.

"So I killed the warboss and the shamans that were doing a ritual and busted up their idol. They were close to done, there was a backlash that seems like it probably hurt Mork. Dealing with it was rather tiring, though."

[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.

Maximum guilt-trip! "So, I understand that you want to help out your friends, but have you considered all the ways that could have gone wrong? Allow me to do so for the next hour..."

[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.

Definitely want to see it it can be taken rather than just leveled.
 
Bit of an odd question, but was the Master Moulder we encountered on our trip through Karag Lhune...

Is Throt alive right now?

*I'm unsure if anyone has asked this question before*
 
Something that hasn't been much remarked on is the critical success of the White Wolves. Now, some of that would be reflected in them losing no one where the Demigryph riders lost five, but I'd like to imagine there was something more to it than that.

Perhaps they just killed a particularly large number of greenskins, but they might have achieved something more significant that they'll be telling us about at the meeting. I'm not sure what it might be. Headhunting the new black orc warboss, if we're lucky, perhaps?
 
w4terghost said:
To be blunt. DnD morality is not a good real world comparison. One could argue that actually Codrin is Lawful Good. He's ensuring that people who would be willing to doom the expedition for their greed (Classic Chaotic Evil) are being killed. That this requires unfortunate sacrifices for the Greater Good of the expedition is sad, but required.

Codrin is simply putting the well-being of Empire-wide relations with the Dwarfs ahead of individual (mercenary) lives.
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There is a huge difference between leading men in battle and them dying,

and deliberately finding ways to get them killed either by encouraging suicidal reckless behavior, conspiring a way to increase casualties.

Then of course, wanting some treasure or money is not evil, if people did die due to being indirectly murdered due to a conspiracy, Mathilde is guilty by inaction, aand guilty of not performing her duties to protect the empire and it's people.
 
Alratan said:
Something that hasn't been much remarked on is the critical success of the White Wolves. Now, some of that would be reflected in them losing no one where the Demigryph riders lost five, but I'd like to imagine there was something more to it than that.
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Maybe it means that Ulric is with them, and Mathilde should start paying her dues to Ulric the head of the human Pantheon during this campaign, on behalf of her god, Ragnald? Remember, her anti-Sigmarite trait means that politically speaking, the Ulricans are her potential allies.
 
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